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The last two nights have been pretty darn horrible. There are common problems with panels and one is a troll like Nick DiPaolo. Wilmore often does a good job of getting people to a place of actual discussion but there are the times when he is flailing and it is cases like this when his POV is not as focused and certain. As for the language thing, consider the kids who kill themselves after being called words. The biggest lie ever is sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me. When someone uses a derogatory slur for gay men, it is piercing. It takes the wind out of me and brings back the brutality. I just finished Todd Glass's memoir and he nails how devastating it is. So to have an episode about the power of words and have DiPaolo screaming his misery about not being able to bully without people questioning him was ridiculous. More than that, Larry's point was screwed up. Yes colleges should be about discussion and debate. But how exactly is mocking people based on their race, religion, gender or sexual orientation debate? This is just bullying plain and simple. As for the Tyson one, I turned it off. One of Larry's finest moments was the Cosby episode. Now he has the one person who was defending Cosby from that panel and sure enough that guy is fawning over convicted rapist Mike Tyson. But then Larry is too. That left a bad taste in my mouth. Panels every once in awhile. The Cosby episode and the all black women episodes were terrific. But once every two weeks is about enough.

I am a bit torn on that. I just don't remember at that age processing that. While it may help explain the interiority of the characters, I think the show has done a strong job with that already. Jude moving in tighter to Connor was realistic. Connor's uncertainty was realistic. Even both having pseudo-girlfriends was realistic. However in depth conversations not so much. If they choose to go the route of processing what occurred they have to be careful of it not coming across as unconvincing.

No. EMTs do an amazing job and that is one of the dangers. While they are advised of the possibilities out there, being given back up for them attending to their duties would probably be too much to ask. That said, once they came up on the scene itself, one of them should have stayed in the vehicle. But sometimes, in a situation, you aren't thinking in as cogent a manner as normal.

I posted the following in the episode thread but since the media is discussing this, I will post it here too. I believe that is the youngest romantic same sex kiss on TV in terms of the character's ages. In terms of the actor's age, Evan Rachel Wood was also 14 when her character of Jessie, on the show Once and Again, fell in love with and first kissed the character of Katie. However, unlike Byerly, she was playing a character older instead of younger than her real age. So I'd say a tie between Once and Again for the age of persons acting the roles but The Fosters is younger in terms of the characters themselves. Anyways that was a well done sequence and it is important that same sex kisses be treated the same as kissed between a boy and girl. Great Job the Fosters!

I believe that is the youngest romantic same sex kiss on TV in terms of the character's ages. In terms of the actor's age, Evan Rachel Wood was also 14 when her character of Jessie fell in love with and first kissed the character of Katie. However, unlike Byerly, she was playing a character older instead of younger than her real age. Anyways that was a well done sequence and it is important that same sex kisses be treated the same as kissed between a boy and girl. Great Job the Fosters!

I don't think it was a set up. They were EMTs and as EMTs they would have been apprised to be aware that there was a person, possibly wounded, that police were trying to track down. That is why Walker said the line about a guy with a beard, which was his way of saying you heard about me, a man with a beard, being on the run and when you arrived to what you simply thought was call for help, unrelated to the attempt to catch a criminal, you recognized that I match this guy. The EMT's weren't looking for a man who had escaped. They just came across him and were not ready for how Walker easily saw through them realizing he had been id'd. As for Ty killing him and the overkill of the scenario, I think that was a way of relating to the audience that, driven by extreme pain and knowing his partner has abandoned him, he is in as foul and volatile a way as possible. This was a guy who, not long before, was getting ready to shoot his own vehicle after all.

I don't want Ava ultimately being on Boyd's side. I understand she loves him but the reality of the situation is, by being with him, she has wrecked her life. It was her choice. I get that. But now I just want her to figure a way out of this mess. As for Winona, I have yet to meet a Mom or Dad who does not get tired or worn down when they are taking care of their baby nonstop let alone a baby under the weather. No one is perfect. I also think Winona is aware this was a chance for Raylan and his child to bond. This guy has yet to see his baby and there comes a point where is a parent going to be an absentee parent or not. By actually holding and taking care of his baby, no matter how temporarily, is the sort of thing to maybe get him to comprehend how special his child is and recognize his responsibility towards to his child. As for Rachel, she asked right off the bat if Raylan had asked Tim to hold the baby. That is vital. If Raylan says yes, maybe Rachel would have held the baby seeing the question was not based in her gender. However Raylan's response came across as gender bias down to the annoying "nurturing" comment. Rachel would also be aware that Raylan has been an absentee father up to this point. So an absentee father asking only the woman in the room of coworkers to hold hos baby because she is "nurturing" is offputting. It comes across less as wanting to share with people how cute his child is to a reinforcement of gender roles, even if unconsciously, and get a break for him from doing what he should have been doing for awhile now.. And Rachel was having no part of it. That was my favorite moment of the episode. Good for Rachel.

I have always liked Raylan and Winona together. I like it when a female character questions the selfish behaviors of the male hero. Winona here was terrific. She knows Raylan loves her. Raylan knows Winona loves him. But Raylan is going to have to make a choice. Is he going to be a fulltime part of his child's life, a part time part of his child's life, or just an plain absentee Father? I loved Rachel not showing interest in holding the baby. Too cool. And that was despite that being the alltime cutest baby. The Ava and Boyd tension grew and grew and exploded into one of the more intense emotional sequences of the season. Boyd tapping his head was an alltime Goggin's acting choice. Walker and the frat guys. Walker and the paramedics. If only the Emmys* were paying attention! The sequence between Art and Markham - great stuff. Jeff Fahey - thank you for being Jeff Fahey! And sorry Raylan but you look like you would make a great father if you took that path of responsibility! *The Emmys did get in that much deserved one to Jeremy Davies after the third season. But when the incredible 4th season was ignored, well I guess the Emmys believe recognition is best served for dramas that spell it all out and take themselves oh so serious.

The show always seems to be forgetting the Jude and Connor story at the oddest times. Here is a big moment and well lets not go back to those characters at any point for the rest of the episode. No Jesus it is okay. Go to boarding school. The show can check in on you every 10 episodes or so. And you can be mentioned in passing once an episode. Now head on out Jesus. Go ahead. Have fun at boarding school.

Yes, it makes pretty much no sense. Maybe that is more the reason they decided for the cut for it would look comically unreal for Doug to overpower Rachel when she is aware he is coming for her. Once she began running in the field, he is not catching her. The sheer idiocy of the torture porn can't even rival this loophole in plot logic. I hope next year when they show a twenty something women being killed they aren't as idiotic and unbelievable as the deaths of Zoe and Rachel.

Excellent post! The show did something right and then completely upended it going down the predictable and misogynistic path. But goodness knows we need more Doug Stamper, a duplicitous male character on a show loaded with them, for some reason instead of depicting that the unconventional path of a woman overcoming a predator which the show had ended on last year. I will pass on watching what ever twenty something woman they decide to kill next year and I agree that it came across as torture porn. Hincandenza, a bisexual twenty something female character was killed off in the episode. So to discuss how that fits into significant and definitely not imagined problems concerning violence against twenty something women in the media - something this very show has done before, the destruction of women who have sex with people they are not attracted to -something this show has done before, and the trend of killing off bisexual women and lesbians on tv is relevant. The show went there. They made the discussion relevant to this episode by indulging in such a repellent, done to death storyline. That said, I certainly don't want the entire thread to be a discussion of that. I am replying to persons who disagree when they give their explanations but I am being respectful. It is fair that if someone states why they think I am wrong, I explain why I don't agree on that point.

Yes, I remember Peter. As you say, Peter was a straight white male. There is not a dearth of straight white males on television. There is a dearth of bisexual females and lesbians on television. If someone says, can you name the straight white male characters on television we would all laugh. We would be here all day. The same does not hold for bisexual female and lesbian representation on tv (well besides the interesting anomaly of ABC Family and the show Orange is the New Black*). So an astonishingly high percentage of lesbian and bisexual female characters being killed off does mean something very different just as, years ago, the revelation of the LGBT killer in a film when LGBT characters in film were receiving low representation meant something very different than a straight white male being the killer. *The only thing not making this far more despicable, as with incidents such as Arrow and Chicago Fire, is that Netflix does have the show with the most lesbian and bisexual female representation on tv. Anyways seems like this discussion is not going to change either of our minds. We will have to disagree and I will have to say goodbye to this show.

The show definitely should have taken one of those two options instead of indulging in the continued practice of killing off lesbian/bisexual female characters to serve the plots of straight people. Also interestingly they undermined one of the best things from last year which is showing a case of a woman being treated like a bird in a cage by a man running away when sensing danger and killing her stalker. Well apparently killing him. This disgusting trend of bisexual women/lesbians being killed to serve the stories of straight characters has been called out repeatedly and nothing is being done because of a complete lack of respect for bisexual female/lesbian representation on television by some of these show runners who see those characters as props. When questioned they show an almost staggeringly naïve comprehension, or is it arrogance?, of the situation going we are just treating them like any other character. Clue to these people - when representation is minimal, you have to have to have a bit more common sense than that. It reminds me of when gay men were often the murderers in films. I would say this idiocy has to end only to have people go well gay people have killed people. A gay man being a murderer in a movie was not the problem. It was the constant representation of gay men as murderers that was the problem. Same goes here. What is it about bisexual women and lesbians that they are killed off on tv at such a high percentage? However this ending also plays into another problematic area. That is the woman who at some point is promiscuous or is/was a prostitute must die for her sins. The man obsessed with the woman killing her and that the storyline is shown as a triumph for Doug, overcoming his obsession to rid the world of the former prostitute, is beyond troubling. It is rank misogyny, reprehensible on every level, and no amount of other strong female characters can overcome it's disdain for young women. This is the second time a twenty something woman has been murdered and in both cases the woman was punished for her trespasses as a woman. If Rachel had not been a prostitute she would be alive and if Zoe had "known her place" she would be alive. The show's contempt for young women could not be more blatant. I also have not seen a convincing argument Doug was needed back. The character had worn out his welcome last year and his ending had been fitting if he dies last year. Instead the show undermined something they had actually got right. Shame on this trashy show.

While Anne did some terrible things last night, that action last year wasn't callous. A woman was being repeatedly raped and beaten. Anne headed the killing of scum who enjoy beating and raping people. If Jack gets a bad name because scum feels he was involved in the killing of rapists so be it. If Anne had not come to Max's help last year, she would have been callous. By saving Max, she showed her humanity. And while Jack's name may have been ruined, the show has not shown him as unforgiving of what Anne did. After all, protecting a victim of rape and assault from more rape and assault is hardly callous. Even Jack would know deep down that what was happening was wrong and what Anne did was understandable.

Max has proven herself very resourceful. It is nice to see a crafty woman work her way up to such control and money. And scenes between her and Silver along with scenes between her and Anne always work well. She really brings out Anne, a very dull character opposite Jack, and makes Anne feel like a real character. At this point, Vane is just hilarious. I really wish the show would stop insulting my intelligence with this Fabio with the Clint Eastwood growl.

Chaos Theory, this is a consistent problem. The lives of twenty-something women being a prop for stories about men. And in this case, the life of a bisexual woman (and her death) being the prop for a story about a man. The death of another lesbian or bisexual woman being done because it is important to the story of a straight male. This show has countless straight characters and it has countless male characters that are duplicitous and conniving. Why in the world would Doug need to be brought back from the dead and why in the world would the show need to have the bisexual woman killed at his hand. It makes no sense. There is no legitimate defense for this disgusting, exploitative and vile treatment of lesbian and bisexual woman on shows. And always the same excuse - that their death is needed for a straight person's storyline. Enough is enough. Or as this article said. http://xfinity.comcast.net/blogs/tv/2014/10/09/killing-off-queer-women-on-tv-response-to-arrows-latest-character-death/

Doug's arc this season should have been zero episodes. That plotline should have been done with last year. As for us not being "allowed to have the final payoff of watching him kill her", I sure as heck don't want to watch a psychotic freak kill a woman. If I want to watch that trash, I would watch Criminal Minds. I wish I could say the show didn't show the death out of some integrity but that is doubtful. In all likelihood, they didn't show that because they want people to still care about the scumbag that is Doug and watching a man in the act of killing a poor woman who is scared and trying desperately just to survive kind of makes that difficult. Good pointing about the killing of twenty-something women. I wonder if the show runners figures it has an audience that loves watching young women be murdered and is trying to appeal to that group. There was one tweet I saw that which seemed to think it was a great triumph that Doug killed Rachel and only seemed annoyed it was not done sooner. I just recoiled at that. Is there such anger to twenty-something women, that people actually applaud their murders while thinking their murderers have accomplished something awesome? And was the show aware of this and playing down to these people? It certainly seems that way.

Rozen, to me the defenses of and love for Doug always threw me. I tried to pretend that did not exist because to contemplate it made me sad. This was not at all necessary. The reality is having Doug killed off last year worked. The obsessed creepy psycho gets killed because the woman recognizes him as such. Instead we get this trash. And it is trash of the highest order. I am done with lesbians and bisexual women serving as props to tell someone else's story. Whether a lesbian dies so the straight characters will have some tragedy to suffer through or the bisexual woman dies so we can see how evil someone is, it is enough. The show shouldn't have coddled people that for some reason didn't see Doug was a massive creep to begin with. It should not have pandered like that. That is the last audience it should have been concerned with. This was vile on the part of the storytellers. This was trash. I am fed up. I am tired of excuses being made by showrunners for loathsome trash like this. Seriously the people who run this show can rationalize all they want. I am sure they have plenty of insulting logic. Their show is contemptible garbage. As for season 4, I will definitely not be watching. It is a shame that a show can't be flushed down the toilet because that is where this disgusting crap belongs.

The killing off a lesbian and bisexual female characters seems to have come back into vogue again. That was a trope I really had hoped would go away.

What a despicable climax to the Doug/Rachel story. Who writes this crap. What trash! Season 2 ends with a woman finally taking charge and killing the creepy guy obsessed with her. But no he survived and in the end the lesson is that a woman "betraying" an obsessed male by being with a woman must be murdered. Westboro Baptist Church would appreciate this trash.

For all the inconsistencies in the characterization of Brittany, the show has been remarkably consistent when it comes to scenes between Santana and Brittany since Santana came out at the locker. I mean very, very consistent. Even with that chicken sacrifice bit, the dialogue between them stays the loving, considerate, able to comprehend the interiority wavelength. So Santana marrying Brittany seems right. Those two do seem to be the right match with a sexual attraction and an emotional connection. That is why the double wedding was jarring. Blaine and Kurt just don't work together well. They aren't convincing at being in love. Blaine actually worked well with Dave and Kurt showed spark, for the first time, opposite Walter. It isn't that I have not met couples like Blaine and Kurt. It is that those couples never seemed to make it out of high school. In a way, it reminds me of my earliest relationship in high school where it was more about I'm gay and he is gay and we share some of the same interests so why not date. That doesn't seem to have been Glee's plan. I think they really wanted to present the classic gay male soulmates couple and I guess for many people they will be. However, unlike Santana and Brittany where those two felt like each other's soulmate despite all their differences, Blaine and Kurt felt detached for all their similarities. So the double wedding was odd. On one hand, where fans prodded the show's creators to get serious and take a throwaway joke and make Brittany and Santana a couple ultimately made sense and worked. On the other hand, the coupling of Blaine and Kurt which was designed from the second season to be endgame seemed contrived when the show insisted on marrying them. I am a bit torn on that latter development. These two moving on without each other felt authentic and true. Yet I wanted to see two men who were a popular couple marry each other and the fans of the couple to have that moment. Ultimately the latter two points are more important. I just wish the show would have done a better job with Kurt and Blaine.

Ava has deeply loved Boyd for years but her life is screwed up because she went into that relationship. She is in a horrible position and her life is a wreck. She has responsibility for her actions but she could not be in a larger position of vulnerability and fear. Here are her choices. 1. Don't go along with the feds and end up back in prison for goodness knows how long where her life is terrible, where she can be beaten or killed at any moment as her friend was last year. 2. Work with the feds which she has and where her life is in imminent danger and she has to betray the person she loves. That's an awful position. The reality is Boyd was unable, for all his big words, to protect her in prison. But now, even on the outside, she is not only in this terrible position but Boyd has placed her life in jeopardy by getting ready to mess with Avery again. Ava sat there as Avery, an imposing figure if there has ever been one on this show, basically said she and Boyd are going to die if they mess with Avery again. And here comes Boyd going hey I got an idea how we can mess with Avery again. Plus she knows Boyd has his concerns she has turned for the state and that Boyd's associates are on to her. This is not about love triangles. It is not about Ava living a lie unless that lie was thinking Boyd was good for her. This is a person in way over her head and seeing Raylan as the only tough, strong person who may actually be able to save her and her being confronted with her choices. She is scared and I don't blame her.

I will have to go back to watch again for question 2. As for question 1, originally Tim and Rachel were going to Fekus's house. They noticed that guy watching the house. So they would have called Fekus and told him to go to the hotel room - one with an adjacent room connected by a door. Arriving first they do the set up. Then when Fekus arrives, they give him the story knowing that he is being watched and will be followed. Fekus is living at his parents. Wynn's concern was when to talk with Fekus with no one else around. That hotel gives Wynn what he thinks is the chance. ChooChoo's way of speaking is supposed to illustrate the damage he took from, what I believe they said, was shrapnel. I like the inconsistency in thought because it feels right. Common sense is completely lacking but he can pick up on a bartender skimming. As for Tim and Rachel immediately leaving, I think that is a no use wasting time with the obvious in the scene type move. We could have shown them taking time to check but it is more fun to show the haste so we can see how little Tim and Rachel are concerned about Fekus with Tim getting in that shot about how Fekus set up Ava. Regarding Ava kissing Raylan. I think this has to be seen in context of the entire show and where Ava is now at in her life. I think Ava's action makes sense. Here is a person who ended up choosing to be with Boyd. What has she gotten from that. Yes she loves Boyd but her life has been all but destroyed. She has been involved in several horrific scenarios. She has been sent to jail. She has now been placed in a situation where she gives up Boyd or goes back to jail. Her dreams have fallen apart. Her attempt to escape has fallen apart. So here she is with the other person she could have been with and, in that moment - vulnerable, broken, without hope - she tries to connect with that moment where there was hope in the future. Just as her cooking that grand breakfast for Boyd was a reminder of a comforting past with an awareness that that can't ever be again, her kiss of Raylan is a stab at a moment that has passed her by. The sequence is not about a set up for a continuation of a love triangle even if it may touch on it some in the next episode. It is about a recognition of the path taken and what has been lost in her life. Great to see Oswalt and Williamson back. But the big excitement was Jeff Fahey! And the sequence between Walker and Avery - just intense!

While the Thaw case is far, far more famous, Daniel Sickles was the first person in the US to be tried for murder and be found not guilty in the US due to temporary insanity. I wonder what parallel there would be for Stanford White/Evelyn Nesbit/Harry K. Thaw on the show? In terms of 3 famous people in their time, not sure any case rivals that.

I haven't seen anything showing that Max is currently cold and detached towards Anne. While Max is certainly manipulative, she does seem interested in Anne on more than a level preoccupied with getting ahead in business. As for Jack, interesting they show he messes around with other women and that he is not monogamous with Anne. I love Max's look when she sees him with the prostitute.