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Thank you. I was certain she was dead. Why has Poppy not told Li to just go take a flyng leap by now? Is she really just going to keep subjecting herself to Li's daily rantings? Girl, she doesn't pay your bills, and you're a grown ass adult. Your life is none of her business. Tell her to go fuck herself the next time she demands to have a word with you.

I'm basing it on a couple things: 1) They clearly want to reunite Steam for some unfathomable reason. 2) That whole "look at how much we love each other and all we've been through" montage, specifically centered on how Finn never gave up on them, and how he fought his way back to her felt, to me like a classic soap sign that one of them is going to be dead soon enough. And we all know they're not killing Steffy. Extra credit: Finn is currently the only one running around town warning everyone that Thomas is dangerous (other than Xander, who was just here to be the catalyst for the story). It would be standard soap fare for him to die with Thomas being at least somewhat responsible. (As I said in another post, I see it being similar to how Steffy killed Aly and Ivy - Thomas and Finn will have a confrontation, there will be a struggle, and Finn will end up dead.)

I agree. The commercials, to me, have nothing to do with why I think they're killing him off. I think they're killing him off because of two reasons. 1) They clearly want to do Steam again. 2) We got that montage of their relationship, and that kind of thing often seems to precede a death. Like they're reminding us of how happy and in love the couple is and how they've been through so much to be together, so it will be extra tragic when one of them dies.

I do think they're probably killing him off, but I don't think an actor doing commercials is necessarily a sign they're out the door. I'm sure he can knock out a couple commercials on a non-filming day. I think it's likely that he just has a higher profile than he did when he did the old Liberty-bibberty commercial, and they've started hitting the wall on their Emu commercials, so they decided to bring him back.

I am begging the show to give us a swerve and not have Bill be Luna's father. Please.🙏🏻 I was eating while watching, and "those mistakes live in me, and I continue to learn from them" practically turned me off my food. Oh, I don't think he's stupid. I think he knew exactly what he was doing. He knows Hope's main driving interest in him has been the sex. So, when she says she needs more time, he pretends he agrees and will give her all the time she needs, but then he starts seducing her. Same old manipulative Thomas, more focused on what he wants than anything else. He's just learned to say the right platitudes to convince everyone he's not the same.

Yeah, Finn is dying. Probably something to do with Thomas. (I'm seeing something like the two of them having some kind of confrontation reminiscent of the way Steffy offed two of her cousins). That montage screamed "he's dying!" Liam will try to hit on Steffy at the wake. It's a shame, because he seems to be the only one left to lay some truth and sense on people (you know, since Wyatt's gone). Li just comes across like she's jealous of her younger, prettier, more fun sister. Wait until she finds out that Bill is serious about her and that he's Luna's father. She's going to lose it.

Lord, please let them leave that behind when they eventually reunite those two.

This has the potential to be almost as awkwardly awful as the time All My Children had Kendall and Ryan start playing strip poker with her mother and his father. Also, it's bad enough they're giving Bill another surprise adult child he didn't get to raise (Kelly is right there, show!), but do they think it's going to make the story less annoying to have the unknowing father and daughter catch each other in the middle of getting it on?

And Wyatt did tell him he already found a new tenant, which makes it doubly weird that Bill chose to go there. For all he knew, the new tenant could have already started moving in.

Wyatt is basically the new Thorne. Can't have him outshining his brother, so they don't do anything with him.

I really want to talk to the daughter from last night's show to ask her what, exactly, she was thinking on her first raid. It's like she figured out the strategy of grabbing a big thing, loading it up, and then pulling it out, but then she, what, decided to go with three separate big things? She basically wasted a big chunk of her time on stuff that she wasn't going to get out with. And she won the game to get the vacation, but it wasn't on the big item she was actually touching when she got out, so she didn't get it. The son was a freaking superstar in the big raid. If he hadn't managed to grab that go-kart and teddy bear right as he was getting out on his last run, they wouldn't have won. And he had to be gassed, because his mom wasn't in there nearly long enough on her run to let him get even a little bit of rest after running the hamster wheel and pushing the car out. I noticed that, on this episode, when he was giving the rules for the raid, Damon actually said you just needed to get one body part out, and anything you're touching counts. Was that a new instruction? Obviously, that's been the rule all along, but I don't remember him spelling it out before. And the contestants on both teams certainly took advantage of it more than in previous episodes. And it led to the first episode (I think) where we didn't see anyone not get out in any round. Also, it's starting to get to a point where watching the gabbing stresses me out more than watching the grabbing. I'm sitting there yelling "oh my God, if you don't know it, just say anything. Anything at all!"

Oh, God, shut up, Li. I haven't so completely changed my opinion of a character this fast for as long as I can remember. I loved Li, but the second her niece showed up in town, she became a total bitch. Why is she wandering around FC looking for her niece and sister to bitch at? And why are they even entertaining her bullshit at this point? Poppy should just be laughing and saying "you can keep going, but I'm not listening. You don't have even a tiny bit of the right to tell me or my daughter where we live, where we work, or who we date." How many times are we going to see the exact same scene between her and one or both of them? If this is all the character is going to do, write her off instead of Wyatt. I used to love the idea of Li/Bill, but now I just hope he catches her bitching at Poppy and shuts her down. I'm stunned that we actually got scenes of Wyatt leaving. I figured he was done already. As much as I hate Liam these days, I wish Wyatt's goodbye scenes would have been with both Bill and Liam. Those three together have always been gold. Really, though, Liam is the Spencer son who needs to take a trip out of town to get into a new environment and figure his shit out. Since Wyatt was still around this long, I'm confused as to why they didn't keep him a little bit longer so he could be on screen when Bill finds out Luna is his daughter. Poor girl isn't even going to get her fun older brother, she's going to be stuck with the dud who will probably whine to her about her cousin 24/7. I realized today that they pretty much dropped Donna off the face of the earth once Eric came out of surgery. Can't interfere with spending his screen time as a prop for the RJ/Zende rivalry and incoming RJ/Luna/Zende triangle by having his longtime love or any other relative show up at his bedside. Did Bridget and Thorn just say "he survived surgery? OK, peace out!"? And none of his other kids thought to pop in and visit their nearly died father after their safari?

If Hope stops and thinks about everything Thomas told her, she should realize he's still just not being completely honest. He told her that he wanted to stop Emma for Steffy's sake, because she loved Beth so much, and he knew how much it would hurt her to have her taken away. But, we all, including Hope, know he did it because losing Beth was the reason Hope gave up Liam and locked onto Douglas, and if she found out Beth was alive before Thomas somehow managed to make her fall in love with him (or drugged her to sleep with him and hopefully got her pregnant, so she'd be tied to him), he'd lose her right back to Liam. He's still hedging his bets and not being fully honest about what he did and why. And Hope is so hung up on the whole "but he loves only me and won't waffle" along with not wanting to feel like a fool for believing he's changed, that she is missing the big picture. Here's my thing: If Thomas was really and truly "all better now" and really felt remorse for all he's done, then he'd just finally sit down and own up to all of it. Bullet point that shit if he needs to. The date rape drugs. Exactly how he manipulated and gaslighted Douglas into glomming onto Hope so she'd feel like he desperately needed her to be his mommy. Threatening Douglas not to tell the truth. Threatening everyone else to not tell the truth. Every single thing, along with the real reason behind each thing. Own every single bit of it. Oh, and he'd stop pushing the "I love you" shit on Hope, knowing she's not ready for that yet, and definitely wouldn't have bought an engagement ring for her right after they started hooking up, when she was still being very clear that sex was all it was, and that she couldn't say she'd ever feel anything more than that. He's not "all better" now, he's just better at hiding it because he's currently got Hope and thinks he's on his way to getting her to marry him. Hell, he practically said as much when he talked about what it means that she's wearing the ring around her neck. That ring being where it is is keeping him on the straight and narrow, because he thinks it means his reward is imminent. I know this is probably my one thousandth rant about how shittily they've done his "redemption" writing. One scene in a therapist's office with his mommy at his side, controlling the session, does not mean he's put in the work. Basically, his mommy told him he's better. Then she went to his sister (who was still, rightfully, pissed off at him) and browbeat her into believing he's better, and then his sister joined team "all better" and mommy and sis pushed that narrative onto everyone else. Then, he was handed what he wanted - his job back with no restrictions on his access to the object of his obsession, eventually leading to her kissing him.

I believe it was because PF was leaving, so they wrote Thomas deciding to move out east to try to make a go of being a family with Caroline and Douglas. Sally stuck around and ended up briefly involved with Wyatt, which was fun until they brought in Flo and decided they needed to make Sally batcrap crazy to justify the "twu wuv" that was Wyatt/Flo. (OK, phew, only mentioned her name twice. Don't want to risk a third mention summoning her.)

Pierson Fode's version, during the Sally story was, by far, my favorite. Of course, that was also the best writing the character has had. I suspect that, if they go this route, it's not going to be that it's magnitudes worse than keeping Beth from her, but that it's going to be something that kind of jolts her back to the reality of who he is. It can also be kind of a cumulative thing, like "there's more? How much else is out there that will come up at some random point in the future?" I'm just getting into Friday's show, at the point where Thomas tells her he has to tell her what happened that night. AN is playing it like Hope is in denial and is afraid to hear the truth, because she knows it's going to blow up this bubble of denial she's been living in.

I suspect that, once they go back to Steam, we're going to have multiple scenes of Steffy telling Liam (and everyone else) how she only ever truly loved Liam, but she was just so afraid of being hurt again that she had to shut down her heart to protect herself*, but now he's proven that he truly loves her above all else, and he sees who Hope really is now, so she has no fear he'll ever leave her again, and she has no desire to be with anyone else. So Finn going back to Steffy won't even be an option. At this point, though, he's going to be lucky to get out of this unscathed and involved with Hope, as opposed to Thomas killing him first. *Never mind that we all saw her almost suicidal with grief when she thought Finn was dead. That will have to be ignored for the glory of Steam.

I've noticed that there's usually a foosball table in there. I don't understand how nobody has thought to drag that out and load a bunch of crap on top of it. It'll be interesting to see, if there's a season 2, how having a chance to watch the first season changes people's strategy. I suspect we'll see a lot more of the "just get one hand out the door while holding onto a raft/cart/whatever full of stuff" strategy. I also suspect people will stay far away from those damn scarves, unless they make that the challenge you need to win to get the car, or if you have enough time and you really need the big ticket prize to come from behind, and don't think you can build up a comparable value in other prizes during that 30-35 seconds. My son's half-joking idea for the scarves "go up there, grab the end, run back down and just keep dragging it all over, hoping it fully unravels while you're grabbing other stuff." We've joked about how we'd wear cargo pants if we went on there, but, yeah, really the only things that would be easy to slip into pockets while you're moving on to grab something else are the phones, and you can get those in regular pants/jeans pockets easily enough. Unless the cargo pants pockets are huge, there's really just not a lot else there that will fit in them.

Too bad Vinnie isn't still around so Hope could maybe find out about how Thomas drugged Liam to sleep with Steffy and had plans to drug her so he could rape her.

I don't think they do get to watch each other. For one, the scarf thing you bring up. There's no way someone with only 30 seconds would go anywhere near that challenge if they'd just watched the other team take at least that long to do it. (And it was clearly not a skill issue as much as it's a "how many fucking scarves are in this damn hat???" issue, so they'd be stupid to think "oh, sure it took him that long, but I can do it!") Second, the team that, a few episodes ago, figured out that, as long as they got a hand out the door, everything they were touching was theirs. They figured that out after their first run, and for their next two runs, they wisely pulled something over towards the door, loaded things up on it, and stayed right in front of the door grabbing whatever was nearby until the warning, sticking their hand out at the last second. If you were allowed to watch each other's raids, the other team would have also picked up on that strategy and used it themselves, but they didn't. And, generally, I can see why it would make sense to not let them watch each other. If you go second, watching the first team go and seeing what they're able to do with their time could be a bit of an advantage for your run, just in giving you an estimate of what you'll be able to do with your time, and also in figuring out the challenges by watching what works or doesn't work for the other team.

This is something I forgot to mention in my last post. He keeps saying that, but it doesn't track with even my knowledge of his history (as someone who hasn't been watching as long as a lot of others here). From what I know, after Steffy married Liam the first time, she was afraid Liam would go back to Hope, so she enlisted Thomas to spend time with her and distract her. That never seemed like a love match as much as a "well, she's pretty and I've got nothing better to do, so why not" agreement to his sister's plan. Then, he was all in on Caroline, obsessing over her similarly to how he'd eventually come to obsess over Hope, leading to Misunderstanding Night. After that, he was in an actual good relationship with Sally that ended because he went to be with Douglas and try to make a go of being a family with Caroline. He was just suddenly obsessed with Hope when he came back to town after Caroline died. I don't know that he's ever been "in love" with her as much as obsessed with having her because he doesn't like that he didn't get what he wanted in the first place. Side note: I know a minimal amount about Thomas's thing with Brooke back before my time. If I'm correct, they never actually hooked up, right? But, I wonder if Hope knows about that whole mess where he pursued her mother and led her to believe they'd slept together to try to keep her and his father apart.

It's kind of interesting watching the writing for Steffy and Hope and how JMW and AN are playing things. Both of them flashing right back to their conversations with Finn whenever they have any time alone, Steffy telling Finn that he has to put it out of his head, clearly cannot put it out of hers, her almost desperate "maybe he was driving to Brooke's house," and things of that nature combined with how over the top they both seem to be in acting like they fully believe in his innocence, and Hope being extra lovey-dovey towards Thomas. It's like there's a part of them, deep down, that knows Xander is one hundred percent right, but they're deep in denial and trying to overcompensate. It's like that quote about how it's easier to fool people than convince them they've been fooled. People don't like to admit that they've been fooled. In Hope's case, especially, I'd imagine it would be hard to reconcile learning this now with the fact that she's been sleeping with him. It was already such a big deal that she was able to get past all she knew of his history and what he's done to her and her family, and she's had to defend her decision and go along with the Steffy/Taylor company line about how Thomas is a different man now so much. So, to realize and admit that he's also a killer? She'd feel like a huge fool. It also caught my attention that she cut herself off while talking to Liam as soon as she said "I may have been naive," like that's one of her big fears, being naive about another man. And, from Steffy's point of view, she was his, second to their mother, his earliest "he's all better now" cheerleader. She pushed the issue of bringing him back to FC and HFTF. She welcomes him around her family. She's defended him to people. He's her family. Her family being united has always been so important to her. So admitting to herself that her brother was responsible for Emma's death would mean she was wrong about him, and it would disrupt her happy family fantasy. You could tell that she knows the truth deep down by her reaction when Thomas told her Xander was right about one thing. Liam is a dick (side note: stop barging into Hope's home unannounced), but he's right about Thomas, especially the part about how, if he'd gotten away with it, he'd be content to still have Hope believe her baby was dead. That's just something I wouldn't be able to get past, and I get Liam's confusion and dismay that Hope has gotten past it to this degree. He's still a dick, though.

OK, yeah, Steffy clearly knows her psycho brother did it. That's why she's so desperate to get Finn to leave it alone, and she's calling it a dangerous and volatile subject, because if it gets brought up, it's going to go poorly for the family's pipe dream that Thomas isn't that bad. I could see if she was just saying that bringing up anything from that time period was a painful subject, given the whole Phoebe/Beth thing. But, instead of even referencing that, she's specifically saying that Emma's death is a dangerous subject. If it was truly resolved with the police investigation, it wouldn't be a risky subject. I totally don't remember those scenes of Xander checking the security footage and checking Thomas's GPS info. To be fair to Finn, he did finally set boundaries with Sheila. I mean he basically did it as Steffy's backup singer, but when Steffy came back from Europe, the two of them went over there and both told her she had to stay the fuck away and wasn't welcome there. It all freaking Steffy out enough to leave him was a wakeup call for him. How many wakeup calls has Steffy had about Thomas, and she still gives him chance after chance? A few days ago, I watched the original scenes because a soap site uploaded the full episode from that day to refresh everyone's memory. She did pick up her phone a couple times to try to text, but she kept telling herself not to use her phone while driving and putting it back down. Then she was looking in her rearview mirror because Thomas was all over her bumper, and she was wondering what the hell the car behind her was doing and why they wouldn't back off. It's not clear to me if he ever made contact, or she just lost control of her car while focusing on the danger of the car behind her being all over her. So the flashbacks today were pretty accurate to what originally aired.

"I'm your children's uncle." OK, great, and Sheila is their grandmother. What else you got? Unless JMW was getting the emoting all wrong (which I'm not discounting as a possibility), Steffy is pretty sure her psycho brother did kill Emma, but she'd really just like to pretend that he's all better now, so she doesn't have to deal with facing that fact. She's probably going to cling hard to the whole "he's a different man now," bullshit. Do they just think that the actor who plays Xander can't handle the heavy confrontation scenes with Thomas, so they're giving them to Finn instead? Other than Thomas's repeated Sheila-like "family" threats towards Finn, the rest of their scenes would make more sense with Xander in Finn's place. Oh, no, wait, as I finish typing that, I realized that the show is doing this shit because they need it to inject issues in the Sinn marriage via his distrust of Thomas and his protectiveness of Hope, so that Steffy can look like the victim when she cha cha chas her bad wig over to Waffles. Luna, honey, you can just leave. You can find it completely weird and creepy that your boyfriend's cousin lured you to a romantic dinner and leave. Related: Zende, you're being weird and creepy. For the love of fuck, go visit your grandfather and ask him if you can help him with his line. Stop whining at RJ, who has said he doesn't care if you help them with the line. (Which just seems l like the obvious solution here. Why can't the three of them work together on the line? This story is so stupid. And, I swear, if it ends up in Misunderstanding Night 3.0...)

Same. The combination of his overall evil vibe along with the character's history just make it uncomfortable for me. All of this. I loved Thomas/Sally. Despite how short-lived they were, they were probably one of my favorite couples on this show. One of the reasons they worked was because Sally wasn't one of his previous victims/obsessions. It was an equal footing relationship in terms of their interest in each other. And he wasn't all creepily intense. That's one of the reasons I think that what they need to do is hold auditions and find an actress who has that kind of instant chemistry with MA, and bring her in as a whole new character to pair him with. I really wish that, instead of bringing him back to FC after the fake CPS call, they would have had him go work somewhere else or strike out on his own have some time where we saw him really working on himself, and then meet a new woman. I can see someone making requests for their own character, but it's absolutely insane to give in to letting her make demands about another character. It would be one thing to say that she didn't want Taylor cheating or having babies with more than one man. But putting limitations on another character? And as for divorce, I mean, come on, it's a soap. If you can't handle your fictional character being divorced, it's not the right job for you.

He has resting evil face.