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Ron doesn't consider that rape, sadly. He's a sick puppy. You'd think he'd learn after being called out for that shit on OLTL, but, instead, I'm sure he writes the same shit again to thumb his nose at those of us disgusted by it.

Yep, those are likely body doubles, but the guy is wearing the same suit as the one in the picture of KM standing with what looks pretty clearly, to me, to be DB. So, unless Liam and Wyatt are wearing the exact same suit... I wouldn't really call what Hope has been doing "playing the field." Women who are playing the field don't, generally, seem so focused on weddings. Hell, I'd have more respect for Hope if she was just happily playing the field and admitted that she likes having multiple guys into her. It'd be more honest than flip-flopping from one "serious/exclusive" relationship to another.

That was my immediate thought at reading that spoiler. Of course Ron would do that. The twisted family tree there is mind-boggling. If Sonny and Ava get married, one of those babies would he his/her own aunt/uncle.

If you can get to it easily again, would you mind posting a link to it? I haven't seen it and would like to take a look. Thanks!

I see next to no demonstrable difference in acting talent among the Felix/Brad/Lucas group.

The answer to this question is ALWAYS "Yes. Yes he would."

I've been saying pretty much the same thing for a while. She feels like she should be with Liam, for a variety of reasons, but I've never seen her as physically into Liam as she's been with Wyatt. (I figured it was safe to leave this portion of the spoiler out of spoiler tags.)

Brooke would be there whether a Lope wedding actually completely goes down or not. God knows she was at every other wedding Hope and Liam "almost" had. Maybe that's actually the problem - Brooke's bad luck for Hope's weddings to Liam. If the next one doesn't happen, they should try leaving her off the guest list for try number 57.

I think it would have been a cooler moment for Patrick if, instead of the stuff we got today, he went in there and did his best to safe Rafe and, then, the first thing Rafe sees when he wakes up is Patrick, who gives him a speech about how he saved him so he could live with what he'd done, and that he saved him because he wants to sit in court and watch him tried, convicted, and sentenced for killing a baby. (Of course, the moment would be even better if JD could bring it opposite him and show us a kid tortured with guilt over what he'd allowed himself to become and what he did, but, well...) I believe he's on the "I met this American chick who was out trying to 'find herself,' and she invited me back to freeload in her apartment for a while" Visa. Although, really, someone should have side-eyed that application after 10 seconds of talking to him, looking at Maxie and saying "This guy? Really? Come on! Honey, give me 30 seconds, and I'll find you someone better."

Lord those two are exhausting. How many attempted weddings does that make? My twisted side hopes the next wedding attempt is kaput because Liam sleeps with Quinn and Hope finds out right before she's set to walk down the aisle.

I know this isn't what you meant, but I just had a vision of him doing just that as Rafe's heart monitor is going nuts. Some people probably didn't do something that terrible, so she figured just writing their names on her list was revenge enough.

His last wedding was to Steffy.

Not to mention that Felicia peaced out on Maxie for years. She's the exact opposite of a helicopter parent.

I know I wasn't trying to let Disney off the hook for content of a show I don't watch. I'm just saying it doesn't follow that just because they portray some real life ugliness in a fictionalized story line, it doesn't mean they're OK with hiring guy with MM's history.

I think there's a HUGE difference between portraying that kind of stuff for dramatic purposes and hiring a guy accused of harassing/groping his young co-star.

All the guys on this show act that way. Loved Caroline's "he makes you call him 'My Lord'? We need to have a LONG talk." It's entirely possible Caroline has gone from dull as dirt to becoming my favorite character. More of these people need to take a header off a balcony.

Well, you know, since the basis of their relationship seems to be talking about Brooke, maybe eventually Katie will talk about her so much, it'll help restore his muse in some form.

And, naturally, Ron got all pissy over people saying on Twitter that this is more Roxy than Delia. "You haven't seen Delia in 25 years, and you think you know how she'd act?" Well, yeah, and we HAVE seen Roxy more recently, and we do know that this is how she'd act, so... I remain amazed that no one at ABC has put the kibosh on Ron's Twitter account. It's an embarrassment.

I don't get this either. If I really stretch, it could be financial, but even then, it doesn't fly for me. If the Q's would be the ones paying for Alice's medical care, all Alice would need to do would be tell Monica (who is presumably her employer, since it's her house) what's going on. She wouldn't let Alice be denied a heart transplant to enable Tracy's blackmailing. I just don't get this at all. Is it that Alice has no insurance, so Tracy says she'll foot the bill if Alice keeps quiet? But, again, like you said, all Alice has to do is agree to keep quiet, get the surgery, then rat Tracy out.

As much as I don't particularly like Steffy, that's not how I saw it. They split because she left after the miscarriage and after finding out she might not be able to have kids. For whatever reason, I got the impression Liam never really minded that Steffy was manipulative. The only time it seemed he really minded was when he thought she was in on Bill's scheme to fake her having a brain tumor. Even after everything they'd been through, and when Steffy was gone and he was (theoretically) happily looking forward to a future with Hope, Liam still complied with Steffy's request that he make a video about their love for her like the one he made Hope. I'm not saying I think that he's pining for her right now, particularly (of course, she's off screen, so...), but I've never gotten the impression that he considers her stupid and lying. If JMW was still around regularly for filming, I think we'd still be getting Waffle doing his waffle thing. Not to say I don't think what you're saying was ever the way things were. When he was married to Steffy the first time, he pretty much seemed like he'd love an out that would get him freed up to be with Hope again (although then, when he had that out, he still pulled his wishy-washy shit, including asking both women to meet him at a specific time so he could announce his choice). But, I think he was genuinely happy with Steffy when they were married and expecting, and he was confused and hurt when she left the country after losing the baby. And, even earlier than that, when he was freaking over the idea of re-marrying Hope (after their Italy wedding was non-binding), it was Steffy he kept spending time with to get away from that stress. And, yeah, Steffy was manipulative, no two ways about it, but Liam knew the score there soon enough, and he still maintained a relationship with her (varying from friendship to more at different times in his waffling). I think that, on some level, he was kind of charmed and flattered by the lengths she'd go to to be with him, as twisted as that sounds. One of the reasons I (and some others) liked when Wyatt came on the scene was because he was a guy who was one hundred percent into Hope. No looking elsewhere, not waffling back and forth between women, he just wanted Hope. *Side note: "Skank" should probably go the way of words like "slut," "whore," and the like. As for the spoiler that a Because that's how Liam generally rolls.

Oh hell, I feel like I just read Bill Bell's vision for the next 18 months.

I'd be firmly with her in the never wanting to see Taylor again stance. Jeebus, that woman is annoying. That would be my guess. It would be insanity to waste Rena's talent on a "she's crazy, now she's gone" arc. I don't want to see her fully "good," because she's too good at what she's been doing, but reign it in some and give her some softness to round out the crazy/scheming. And if Deacon is going to be here for any length of time, which I hope he is, then he needs to be something other than just the big bad wolf. Both characters already have their soft side for their respective kids, but they need more to soften the edges than just a standard "I love my kid."

Oh, Lord, this should be epic levels of awful.

Agreed. They have him acting like an old fashioned damsel in distress at this point. He doesn't have to physically manhandle Quinn by any means, but damn, Liam, grab a phone, call the cops. Surreptitiously record her threats and rants on your phone. Get a restraining order. Do something. And it's bugging me, because I normally love SC. I loved him on GH and OLTL, and I've even liked him, at times, here. But, lately, Liam has sucked, and it's ruining my enjoyment of SC. I'm with you. I think Hope and Liam have a kind of sweet vibe to them, but nothing "hot." Quinn and Liam have some weird sort of crackling tension in their scenes, and it's going to end up leaving me disappointed if we don't get so much as a drunken "mistake" one time hook-up between them. I could easily see a scenario where Quinn sets out to seduce him once, to break up Hope/Liam, and they end up really into each other for a brief time (for those who watch GH, I could see at least a short term version of Morgan/Ava between these two). Nobody knows where the show is really going to go with it, but that's what I'd do, if I was in charge. It sucks when shows have unexpected chemistry like that crop up and don't take advantage of it.

How did Robin cheat Sabrina out of her baby? She had zero to do with the accident that killed him. As for the rest, imo, the blame lies with Dr. O and company - they cheated Robin out of two years of her life, leading to the point where Sabrina had an opening to form a relationship with a man who, it turns out, wasn't fully free to marry. My UO's - I loathe Brad, and I would rank Felix as better than him. And I just could not buy that Lucas was so instantly hot for Brad. Just...no. Also, I hate everything to do with the Obrecht family, and I hate how some fans positively responding to the initial small doses of Dr. O has turned into everything associated with her must be awesome. Don't like Britt, don't feel sorry for the lying baby stealer, and think she's just as pathetic as her mother. I'll pass on the whole lot of them. Well, Nathan can stay, because he's the lesser of two evils where Maxie is concerned. But if his family falls off the face of the planet never to be mentioned again, I'd consider it a personal favor from the soap gods. I am not at all a fan of "Samtrick." I think they work OK as casual friends, but not romantically. Add in that he knows Jason is alive, and I'd have a hard time buying it if he slept with her as anything other than some weird "payback" to Jason for being the reason Robin left town. Not to mention, it would just be plot point shit, to amp up the tension of the inevitable Jason return (please, God, don't be Michael Muhney).