FaithsMum

Oh, I absolutely agree. It is a pretty common pattern with addicts though, no? The difficulty with Kim is is that, well, she's lazy and spoiled - she either doesn't want to or isn't capable of putting in the work or the effort involved. More importantly though, if she did she'd have to stop playing victim and since she genuinely appears to believe she's a victim I don't think we're going to see true recovery for a long time - if ever. Thanks for the background on the Dr Phil thing, I wasn't aware of that. I need to get Googling! :) It sounds like this rehab thing is purely damage limitations and not a true attempt by Kim to seek help. I had assumed the wedding was for Whitney but turns out it's for Brooke. Wtf. How many wedding days do these people need? I'm going to give Brooke the benefit of the doubt and go with that her first was purely for Bravo's benefit to drag her mother out of irrelevancy.

Thank you WireWraps, EVS and Lura for your kind words. I can't really hate on Kim for wanting to attend her daughter's wedding. This is purely hypothetical since its Kim and we all know what she's like but recovering from any addiction is hard fucking work. It is absolutely something you have to actively work at, not just sit around passively hoping everything will fall into place. Having a "break" from it now and again particularly if there are checks to ensure you'll behave yourself (in Kim's case supervision) is a good thing and it reminds you there is life outside whatever facility you're currently in, and can act as a motivation to push harder to rejoin the world.The thing about treatment is you become obsessed with everything you are missing on the outside - or at least I do. Although the law keeps me where I am so I don't have the luxury of being able to negotiate like Kim apparently can. If the answer is "no" then it's no and there's not a whole lot I can do about it since I legally cannot leave and if the answers "yes" then I don't have the option to not return as they'll quite literally (and have) drag me back kicking and screaming. Anyhow, it's pretty easy to become focused on attending that one thing so for Kim her daughters wedding and it doesn't necessarily mean one isn't trying or doesn't care about her recovery but there's a certain kind of desperation you feel to be part of as much as you can in the lives of your family. Of course, this is Kim so it's likely she's being the same arsehole she's always been. I feel bad being so mean about an addict when I have a laundry list of problems myself but, Christ, she makes it so difficult for me to empathise or relate. Kim's old enough to be my mother - in fact I think she's the same age as my mother and at 50 years of age has not apparently learned personal responsibility and taking accountability for your actions. Addiction doesn't give you a free pass. Like when she screamed at, was it Lisa R? that she doesn't know what it's like at night for her. Maybe not, addiction is hell particularly if you're trying to drag yourself out of it - but that doesn't give her a pass to abuse those around her. Hey Kim, that's not because you're an alcoholic, that's because you're an arsehole. Is this real treatment she's in?? I'm in the UK so I'm not privy to housewife gossip the same - plus I'm really, really behind and have only just binge watched the most recent seasons of BH and Atlanta over the last week.

I'm way behind and just binge watched the entire season over the last few days. I'm going to preface this rant by saying I'm a recovering addict. Until six months ago I was clean and had been for three years (not Kim clean, actually clean) but in addition to addiction I also have anorexia and my husband had me sectioned under the Mental Health Act. I do not have the right to make medical decisions for myself, at the moment and that includes opiod analgesics which unfortunately are the drugs I abused. Truthfully, I love and loathe it in equal measures. There's still that something in me which likes to be high because it gives me a peace I otherwise don't have but at the same time I am terrified and pissed off that I'm no longer "clean." I don't understand Kim's mindset on people questioning her sobriety particularly Kyle. As far as I'm concerned, I'm an addict and anorexic so if my husband or my parents etc are concerned that I'm high or not eating then they absolutely have the right to question me about it since I have (and continue to do so with my anorexia) put them through hell. Unlike Kim though I am able to take responsibility for my actions; she loves to claim that questioning her sobriety is likely to make her relapse because then the responsibility is on them, not her, if she does. At least in her mind. Mostly I'm overwhelming grateful that despite the hell I put those around me through they continue to love me still. I do not see that in Kim at all. Kim is not the only victim of her addiction and it's hugely arrogant and self involved of her to believe so. Her family, especially Kyle and her children, are victims too and when you're an addict, you irreparably damage those who love you. It took a long, long time for my husband to "trust" me; when he would come home from work I could see he was mentally checking for "signs" I had used that day. If I was late back from somewhere he would panic I'd taken a detour to acquire drugs. I don't blame him for that because I did that to him, I made him that insecure. Kim is never going to recover until she starts owning her shit and acknowledging she's not a victim in her own life, those who love her are. She would also benefit from some brutal honesty although I'm not sure how self aware she is to actually listen and if she'd take it as everyone was picking on her. When I was first sectioned I was furious and fought everyone over everything because I did not want to let the anorexia go (this is the third time I've been sectioned for it) but my friend told me that if I do not recover my three daughters are going to end up exactly like me and in ten years time I will be visiting them in hospital. It broke my heart but it's also the greatest gift anyone could have gave me - because it changed everything and for the first time I wanted recovery more than I wanted my eating disorder. All this top-toeing around Kim is just enabling her. However, Kim is so self absorbed since everything is always about her she would probably just see something like that as people being mean to poor, addict Kim who's trying so hard.

Brandi is the biggest housewife u-turn I've ever had. I really liked her S2 and felt so bad for her at Game Night but Jesus Christ, I hate the fucking bitch now. She's not a "truth cannon," she's an arsehole. The thing is when we grow up we realise (or most of us do) we cannot say every single thing we think about others' since there's a fine line between honesty and diplomacy. Brandi is 40-something and has not apparently learned that that fine line is what ensures civility. And the fucking Eddie thing needs to die a death. Her bitterness all these years on is astounding to me. My bio father had a longterm affair which was the reason he and my Mum divorced and she was over that shit within a year. Admittedly she did meet my (step)dad and 25 years later they are still together but even so, I cannot imagine had my Mum remained singled that she'd still be whining on about it years later. Yeah, it sucked and yeah, it was a shitty thing to do but let it go already. Oh and FYI Brandi, the other thing most of us grow up to realise is that another woman can't "steal" your man if he doesn't want to be taken. They choose to go. Brandi is a lot like my daughter who thinks it's fine to smack her sisters when they won't allow her her own way because she apologised afterwards. However my daughter is 2½.

Jim and Amber can have a seat. In fact, take several. I hate them. They have surpassed Gretchen and Slade as my most hated HW couple. Jim totally skeeved me out after that First Responders party when he gave his little monologue about seeing them in court. The way he looked, spoke etc was so creepy. The cancer drugs stuff is so heinous, I have no words for it. To me that is worse than the crimes the Juicy's committed. I'm not absolving them of responsibility at all but they wasn't putting ill, desperately vulnerable people at risk of losing their life. It's sick! I love how he can't film with the Giudices so why come on the show? It's such bullshit attention seeking to make himself feel important. Amber could've still been a housewife while her husband stayed out of the way a la Tommy Manzo. It never did Dina any harm. Also you'd think a super duper, high powered, wannabe attorney like him would be able to freaking spell. Jesus, my 12 year old can spell finale.

I think she plays up the cameras. She is naturally funny and entertaining and I imagine she's aware of it now (as in people have told her) so she probably hams it up for the cameras. Yeah, I kinda don't blame her for the salon incident either. She was very badly behaved but stuff like that is endlessly boring for a little kid, no matter how much of a girly girl they are. I don't think stuff like that can be used against them because forcing a little girl, especially one with as much energy as Milania, to sit still for hours at a time is not going to end well.

You're welcome in here! I love Milania but only because a) she's not my kid and b) I don't know her in real life. I find her endlessly entertaining but if she was speaking to me the way she speaks to other adults, I wouldn't be pleased! The thing about Milania is that some kids are just like that irrespective of what their parents do. I'm not saying the Juicy's are great disciplinarian's but the three other girls are pretty well behaved. They're no Milania's! I was a little like Milania. I was very outspoken no matter how much trouble I got into for it. I guess I just think who she is at 8 is probably not going to be who she is at 25. I think she'll settle down. As you said she's obviously capable of good behaviour. I have this awful feeling my toddler is a Milania in the making. She isn't destructive with things in the way Milania can be and she's better behaved in general but she's stubborn, strong willed and determined. She insists on calling my by my first name, no matter how many times she's corrected. In fact, she argues when she's corrected! I am not like the Juicy's, I discipline my kids and the other two are fine... It's just this little horror! I swear if she'd been my first, I wouldn't have had any more!

Like others, I too like the shared history of the cast. I liked they were genuinely friends/family not fake friends as a way to introduce them to the show. Don't get me wrong, I don't want Caroline, Jacq or Kathy back because I can't stand any of them but I do miss how much more real it felt. NJ was definitely the most authentic of all the franchises. Plus I can't tell those freaking shrill twins apart and that is getting on my nerves.

Mine too! I also loved when Teresa was telling her if she'd been badly behaved, her dad would have been furious and Milania was like "No he wouldn't. He's a nice little fella" I laughed out loud the other week when Teresa was frantically looking for Gia's birthday present and Milania had put it in the fridge. It does however depress me that that little girl is probably smarter than every single adult on this show. Quite possibly, put together. Hehe, I bet she wasn't! I'd forgotten about that and now I feel I need to find an opportunity to use it at least once a day. Milania is easily my favourite thing about NJ. I'd have probably stopped watching a couple of seasons ago if it wasn't for fear of missing Milania moments. I have a soft spot for Gia too especially given her parents current predicament. She's quite a bit older than her sisters and is obviously fully aware of the consequences. That's a huge burden to bear for a 13 year old. I love her dad/daughter moments with Juicy.

I feel like it's appropriate that my first post since migrating here from TWOP should be on the real star of this show! I swear I could watch an entire episode of Milania just being Milania... And I would freaking love every. Single. Minute of it.