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Craig started the game of telephone, and he lied. He also bitched about Shep not having his back when Shep confirmed he never heard that. Bravo has zero footage of that ever being said. They do, however, have miles of footage of Craig lying. After being shown said footage, Craig still maintains he has never lied on the show. He has. Constantly. The root of all of this misinformation on BOTH topics, was Craig. Based on what we have seen of JT, there is zero indication he would ever use that word to describe a woman. The man is being railroaded and I can’t wait for him to be vindicated at the reunion.

At the very least, she should just respect his boundaries. She wouldn’t want to be with a guy who cheated on his girlfriend, and she certainly wouldn’t to be cheated on. Why she keeps trying to initiate is beyond me. I do appreciate him trying to be a stand up guy. Craig has worked really hard to cultivate this reformed man image, but every so often, you see the cracks and shows he’s really not changed all that much. He still lies (a lot), gaslights, has tantrums (refusing to share a room because he’s a grown up man baby), etc. He’s so endearing and adorable in many ways, but he’s also still so messy. I find it harder, every episode, to actually like any of these people.

Craig is such a hypocrite. He’s doing to Shep exactly what he admonished JT for doing to Taylor, then stormed out. At least JT tried to do it kindly, Craig was just a straight up dick. Meanwhile he’s not seeing the neon signs that he and Paige aren’t on the same…Page. To a lesser MUCH extent, but similar to Shep.

Remember in the last episode when Kyle said Lindsay was his friend and they were good? Nobody needs the kind of “friend” he’s being. It’s also ironic that Kyle is basically calling her out for steamrolling Carl when he is fighting Carl’s battles and doing everything he can to control the narrative.

Carl looks manorexic.

You have to remember that the reunion was just done a week or so ago and they stopped filming in early September. So we are talking about 8 months between their breakup and DATING someone else. If it was getting engaged quickly, I might give it the side-eye but not 8 months; that's totally reasonable.

My theory on this is that she questioned him because his behavior shifted so much and so quickly to the person we are all now seeing, that he was behaving exactly like “Cocaine Carl.” Not that she doubted he could stay sober or wanted him to relapse, just that he hasn’t acted like that since he was on drugs/alcohol.

So Carl literally tells Paige that he feels like he blindsided Lindsay but before that, and since, he has fed into the narrative that she was not blindsided and he doesn’t understand why she is saying that. He continues to gaslight, it’s amazing (and uncomfortable) to watch.

Why aren’t Carl and Lindsey having these conversations during couples therapy? They clearly need a neutral mediator.

I agree with this totally. I also don't think Lindsey's concerns are out of line. Carl wants to be coddled and she's not that person. Her concerns about his lack of job/ambition are completely valid. If I am going to marry and have children with someone, I would want to know that he had a job at the very least. He doesn't even really seem to have a plan, he just changes his mind about what he wants to do with his life, which is fine, it happens all the time. The difference is that most people wanting to make a career change have jobs that aren't fulfilling. Carl has no job outside this show. You first need to have a career before you can make a career change. Lindsey had her own PR firm, she could easily jump back into that if the show ended tomorrow. For Carl though, he is planning on hitching his wagon to a struggling company, is not getting paid very much for it, and negotiates or never hammers out the important details, which is why he and Kyle had their problems last season.

Oh man, Jesse Solomon. That made me cry. I love his relationship with West. Jesse is very open and vulnerable with him and West was spot on with advice. I think they are my favorite couple this season. This season is really shedding a different light on Carl and Lindsay. His gaslighting and passive-aggressiveness are really unattractive. I've largely like Lindsay though, which I thought would never happen. Aside from accusing him of not being sober, she's been pretty good. In hindsight, I think the behavior we are seeing in Carl NOW is what she was talking about when she said she was seeing shades of not sober Carl. That makes more sense to me after seeing this side of him. So now I don't think it's AS terrible as I did before. She's right that it was an indication that something was very wrong, she was just wrong about what that something was. I have no words for Kyle. He's such a baby. He takes personal offense to everything and makes it all about him. Amanda is a saint for putting up with his crap. I do think he can be fun, kind and sweet but I would not ever want to be married to him. He's far too volatile.

Right? Someone needs to tell Lala that doing that to Katie is NOT being a ride or die. It also does not show the growth she's trying to convince everyone she has made over the years. She is the epitome of do as I say and not as I do (or have done).

I think I would assume that someone reaching out to me to show solidarity at the end of my marriage would either be more than an acquaintance or an acquaintance who is trying to become a closer friend. I don't condone how she has treated Jo but I do understand why she would be upset, and I think she has the right to be. Katie just seems to lack a filter. She actually says what most people would just keep to themselves or tell their friends behind the other person's back. I give her props for being upfront, but there is no reason to be outwardly cruel. I think it's telling that Schwartz basically gets a pass on his bad behavior because he is sweet, adorable and endearing when he isn't cheating on his girlfriend/wife. He is so much more likeable and does show SOME contrition. Sandoval on the other hand, is gross and just blames everyone else for his bad behavior. I wouldn't be surprised if has BPD.

I have to admit that I felt really terrible for Lindsay in this episode. It's probably the most vulnerable she's been on camera. I'm glad she's on such good terms with tall the other ladies and let them in about her feelings. I also think it was really courageous to even mention anything to Carl's mom. Awkward, but probably would have been worse had she not done it and continued to build up resentment and self-doubt. I really think she handled everything (so far) very well. I like West and I can understand why he would think that Ciara isn't serious about him if, at this point, they have not had sex. I don't blame him for responding to texts, it's not like he's dating or having sex with other women (that we know of). He seems smitten with her.

I felt weird seeing Gina and Emily on opposite couches. I guess it was the hates Heather couch and likes Heather couch. I will say Emily and Shannon can fuck right off with the assertion they are creating storylines for the show. Neither is really that interesting. Seems like Tamra took her meds before the show, what with her apologizing and barely screaming. Jen just looked weird all-around. The flat hair and face work don’t suit her, she’s a very pretty woman but that wasn’t really reflected here.