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i am gonna take that with reservation, they went out of their way not to say Canary. And at this point they just keep repeating she takes a step closer to becoming her comic book self. And we all know how the plans of these guys work, they like to throw stuff out and make things up.
Yeah, but her comic book self IS Black Canary, so I don't know that there's any other way to take it. If they wanted to be vague, they'd say she's taking another step toward becoming a 'hero' or something.
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They still haven't said a single thing about Laurel except she has a new jacket and of course is a lawyer.
And that she's taking steps toward becoming her comic-book self, which is the one thing I really didn't want to hear.
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MG and AK preview season 3:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/arrow-bosses-season-3-secrets-719881
Caity Lotz returns for at least three more episodes as Laurel's sister Sara, starting with the premiere. Last seen giving Laurel her black leather jacket in the finale as a handing of the baton to the next presumed Black Canary, Kreisberg was mum about the context of her appearance: "She's come back to Starling City with a very specific mission." Laurel, he maintains, has a long road ahead to becoming her comic-book alter ego. "She's an attorney with a nice, sweet jacket," Kreisberg says with a laugh. "We're going to see Laurel take a few big steps towards her comic-book self this season. Let's just say that Katie Cassidy is pumping iron."
No thank you.
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My thoughts exactly. She certainly has the skills to find her dad so I wonder if she has.
It wouldn't surprise me to find out that she's gone looking for him, and it also wouldn't surprise me if she never has. She seems like someone who has a lot of self-respect, and I wonder the sheer fact that her father ran out on her and her mother would make her completely write him off.
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I don't think that's right. Sara had a crush on Oliver and went to Tommy's party to try and hook up with him. Laurel wanted Oliver even though she knew Sara liked him first and called the cops on the party in order to get Sara in trouble. Sara got grounded and by the time she got out Laurel started dating Oliver. If Laurel was with Oliver or on a break from Oliver and Sara made a move on her sister's boyfriend it would have made Sara look bad. Instead that secret about Laurel made Laurel look bad an made people more sympathetic/forgiving of Sara's later actions.
If they just let Laurel be an actively shady, shitty person, she could become so much more interesting to me.
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You guys do realize that the flashbacks will fuel her current / present day storyline right? I mean this show doesn't just throw flashbacks out for no reason. Whatever happens in this episode will give us flashbacks to her life pre-Team Arrow. I kind of don't get the reaction that this is somehow a bad thing or slight to the character.
Plus it's a series of flashbacks - I know there's more than one flashback per episode, but maybe these flashbacks span multiple eps to coincide with the current storyline (meaning her mom or dad are probably involved in some kind of current mess, I would imagine).
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Seriously Felicity can't catch a break.
I wonder why Felicity's going to CC in ep four, and after the "spoiler" that one of the crossovers would be love triangle-y, I really hope she doesn't try to get with Barry and get rebuffed. She already knows about Iris, and hopefully the show doesn't go there. At least Oliver's not turning her down because he wants someone else, I guess. If there's going to be an upside to it, I mean.
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That's the trade-off. Either Felicity has a contrived backstory like Sara, Thea, Roy or Diggle that covers not only several episodes but multiple seasons, or she has a normal backstory that fuels one episode and she's back to being a supporting character who gets pulled out when she's needed for someone else's story, like Can Oliver Really Date? or Ray Comes to Town And We Need To Make Oliver Jealous.
Diggle's military background has fueled three episodes over two seasons so far with more to go on the Suicide Squad and the possibility of a spin-off. That's what I want for Felicity, not a one shot episode where they go to Vegas, meet her mother, and afterwards Felicity disappears into being tech support and arm candy again, woodwork when someone else brings their big story (e.g. LoA) on to the show. Or even their continuing story (being ADA and prosecuting the bad guys Oliver has caught behind bars). The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour and after s2 I have no faith that Felicity will remain important to the show other than as LI/IT girl unless she does get a big story of her own.
See, I'm of a different mind - I don't want her to have any kind of back story connected to anything that keeps recurring. I want to learn about where she came from, but I don't need a whole continuing arc dedicated to it, and I don't want either of her parents to be big bads (or criminals at all). I suppose I'd be okay if her mother got caught up in something nefarious on a low-level basis, but I'd much rather know about her life outside of Oliver NOW. If they can write her mother into something like that (maybe being involved in a gambling ring or something, I don't know). Flashbacks I, personally, could do without.
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If they're going Felicity's backstory around her mother, I guess it's not going to be such a big deal after all, more like a one episode side story. Malcolm and Sara get tied to Ra's and the LoA, Sara has ties with Slade, Diggle has ARGUS and HIVE, Thea is trained by Malcolm, Roy has superpowers, and Felicity.. Felicity has a mother in Vegas, and no current story except Oliver's feelings and Ray. The problem with not giving Felicity any story of her own and making her a side player in Oliver's and Ray's is that when something big takes over the canvas, like Slade or LoA last season, Felicity disappears into the woodwork without even a one episode story like Diggle got with Suicide Squad..
But no one has a current story that isn't tied to Oliver. Ra's and the LoA are coming for Oliver this season (if the rumors are true), so Sara (and to some extent, Malcolm)'s ties bring them into the fold. Diggle has is ties with ARGUS and the Suicide Squad to be able to bring them into the Starling City fold. Thea is being trained by Malcolm (story-wise) specifically to provide angst for Oliver. So, either Felicity has a normal, unrelated past that can be covered in one episode (which is my hope), or she's got some contrived, f-ed up backstory that will, again, somehow tie in to Oliver. No one on this show is ever going to be allowed to have any kind of story on-screen that doesn't relate back to him.
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New bit from TV Guide http://www.tvguide.com/News/Mega-Buzz-Chicago-Fire-Scandal-Sleepy-Spoilers-1084751.aspx looks like it will be Felicity's mother we're meeting.
"The secret origin of Felicity Smoak" sounds ominous. I'm glad we're getting to know more about her - here's hoping they give us a dinner with friends or a movie night at her apartment sans anyone from Team Arrow here in the present.
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Caity's status really doesn't mean anything to me one way or another. As @Velocity23 wrote above, they could kill her off whenever regardless of whether she's a regular or recurring. IMO, the show's already shown us its intent with the jacket hand off (although what was the freaking point when Sara comes back in the very next episode?), so more Sara is just icing on the cake for me (and it feeds my foolish hopes that the producers are still keeping doors open for the future with regards to her and her alter ego).
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My thoughts exactly. It seems like the same situation, regardless of whether or not Felicity is Ray's EA. She'd be once again sleeping with the boss. I really want to see how they handle this particular love interest and whether or not they address this time what people's opinions would be of Felicity.
IF she is the EA and works for Ray, the only way I fear the sleeping with the boss thing would come up is if Oliver mentioned it to discourage her from dating him. Then she'd reply with something like, "It never bothered you when people thought that about us."
I would bet actual money on it happening just like that.
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So, um...where did you watch the Flash premiere? (asking for a friend).
Haha, I clicked on a link that was posted on a site - it's loooooong since been removed.
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I'm not blaming her at all for the tantrum at dinner, I would throw one too if my sister and ex-boyfriend were fucking AGAIN. In fact I did throw one in a similar situation. The entire dinner party was awkward and weird and a stupid idea and the triangle was tiresome IMO. They should have at least waited a full year before sharing Oliver around like a box of macarons. He's not that hot especially if this is the universe that Superman lives in. C'mon sisters, get off that ride, it's tired.
That whole episode was a mess. Everyone was so OOC - you cannot tell me that Oliver and Sara, who hurt Laurel so badly in the past would've ever gone to that dinner together. Sara NEVER would've asked, and Oliver NEVER would've gone. Yeah, Oliver's a selfish a-hole at times, but even he isn't that stupid. It was all contrived so that "Emmy-worthy" (LOL) scene could take place in the hallway. And it's sad, because there were so many other believable ways they could've gotten there. This show kills me sometimes.
Oliver needs to detangle himself from the Lance sisters romantically. And they need to stop going back to that, damn.
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I think DC's confidence in 'the Flash' isn't very high right now. hence the number of crossovers with Arrow. that's just my take on it, at least. I would much rather have had 'The Flash' get going on its own merit before puling in Oliver and Felicity. There are crossovers and then there are distractions.
I don't know if they don't have confidence, but having watched The Flash's pilot, it's very light and doesn't have that dark, gritty feel DC loves so much. They might be confident in the quality (which is high, I enjoyed it), but given the other products they've put out, maybe they're just not sure their typical target audience will tune in and enjoy.
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I absolutely have no idea how they could give Oliver a love interest in the current storyline if he can't be with anyone as long as the city needs the Arrow. Baby mama is even less suitable than Felicity. The only option I could see would be if Katana shows up present day sans husband. I won't be rooting for Oliver & Felicity if that happens.
Plus, the EPs said the Oliver/Felicity thing would be a season-long arc, and if he legit loves her and is off having relationships with other women, I'll want to knee that idiot in the balls even more than I do now. Even though I know he can compartmentalize, I won't really even be able to accept him running off and sleeping with some meaningless one-night stand, because the man has got to grow emotionally at some point. He's 30 - he should probably start now.
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They really need to pick one or she's going to end up like some terrible kung-fun Lana/superLana hybrid. I'm not opposed to BC, dark or Manhunter, is there a Dark version of Black Canary like that opposite Spiderman guy? I just want to see her do something and do it consistently, they seemed to have a clear path for her in season 1, why did they fuck that up, they could even have sent her through her paces with Tommy and still made her BC, it doesn't have to be the incarnation where she's with Ollie. It can't be this hard to write for a character, it just can't be.
I think they changed her path because the general consensus was that a large part of the audience didn't like her. So now she's all over the place while the writers try to find something that 'sticks'. Bringing Sara in was the absolute worst thing they could've done to her though. Ugh.
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Possibly. But I have a nasty suspicion it'll be baby mama. Of course technically neither of them are new.
I really hope it's just Felicity. Oliver cannot give her another reason for them to not be together and then go off and be with someone else. I said previously that kind of flip-floppy crap would make me stop watching, and I really am not ready to stop watching yet.
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I think they've set Laurel up to go three possible ways: she can become BC, she can go dark, and she can become Manhunter/some other DC heroine. I think they've set her up for any one of those roads, only they haven't figured out which one she's going to take yet (seriously, what was with the "once you let the darkness inside" blackmail speech? She was already in recovery at that point). I think that's why sometimes her writing is so inconsistent - they're keeping too many paths open for her and having her act certain ways so they can say, "See? We intended for her to go here!" when she finally goes down one of them.
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Colton Haynes did say "everyone" is getting new love interests this season. I'm hoping that's a bit of an exaggeration. It's going to be hard to pull off giving Oliver another love interest if he decides he can't be with Felicity because of being the Arrow. And I'd rather not see Dig and Lyla broken up.
Wouldn't Felicity be Oliver's new love interest?
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It would have been a lot better to be thought of as Oliver's "secret" girlfriend, surely, than to be thought of as having slept her way into a job promotion?
Even if she never works for/with Oliver again, for as long as she's at QC, that's going to hang over her. It could even follow her to other jobs at other companies. And there will surely be questions about her odd resume. This would have long-term affects in the real world; hopefully in the story it will be quickly resolved and she'll be given a job more in keeping with her skills and interests.
Yeah, I'm not really sure there's much difference between people thinking Felicity got a promotion because she slept with the boss and people thinking she was just plain sleeping with him. There would be gossip regardless - what she gets out of it hardly matters. I mean, if she stayed in IT and Oliver dragged her away for clandestine meetings, there would be rumors that she was getting something out of it anyway. Not to mention, she couldn't have gotten a promotion in that scenario - her coworkers would've attributed that to her relationship with Oliver, too. There's no winning for her either way.
Given the spoilers/BTS pics I've seen, I'm not confident they're going to address this or course correct in S3, but here's hoping they're going a different route.
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If I recall correctly, there was an episode when something was happening in the daytime and Oliver was running around the city (I think it was S01E18 with the guy on the subway train who was murdering people he thought had let down the people in the Glades) and Oliver specifically said that he couldn't dress in his Arrow clothes because it was daytime. From that, I basically concluded that being Arrow is essentially a night-time activity only. Sure, they can follow up on leads and stuff in the daytime (which Felicity can, and does, do from pretty much anywhere with wifi), but the bulk of what they do happens at night. And that daytime episode happened while Felicity was working in the IT department, so either it was the weekend, or she had the day off, or Oliver went to the IT department and told them he needed her (they're not going to say 'no' to a Queen). Later, as CEO, he certainly could have commandeered her time as he chose, regardless of where at QC she worked.
They never indicated that Felicity's job in any way impacted her Arrow contributions negatively in Season 1, and I'm willing to guess they never will going forward either if she has jobs that don't have her working directly with Oliver in the future. That was just an unnecessary plot contrivance played for laughs, as @Morrigan2575 pointed out. Yes, it initially made things marginally easier for Oliver and his 'mission'; that's why he did it. My contention is that her sacrifice far, far outweighed any minor benefits of convenience that came out of it. Having willingly given half her life to Arrow's cause, I thought it was beyond selfish and thoughtless of Oliver to think he could hijack the other half of her life (which affects her career and her reputation) without so much as a by your leave. And given that he essentially stopped going into the office entirely after the first couple of months (remember her bringing him stacks of messages from the office which he told her to throw away?), he did all that for nothing in the end. The ends did not justify the means at all and I wish she'd stuck to her guns and refused to let him bully her into it. She needs to occasionally put herself first and Oliver should get his head out of his ass (as Felicity would put it)!
I think Oliver's a jackass and he is selfish, and he never should've made any personnel moves with regards to Felicity's job without consulting her first. And while he COULD have commandeered her time regardless of where she was working within QC, that would've been one of the stupidest things he could've done. If the rumors were bad when Felicity was "promoted," just think of how awful they would've been if Oliver randomly dragged her off whenever he needed her (presumably to somewhere private, since, if he had an EA, his office would've been off-limits). To arouse the least suspicion, he needed her close. I wouldn't have minded her being his EA if he had asked her first and she agreed. That's my whole issue with it.
While I'm sure she did a lot of QC work in her post as an EA, she spent a great deal of her time working on Arrow business (she did interrupt Oliver several times during the day with case "updates"). A part of me that wants to believe something good of Oliver hopes that another reason he moved her was partially so she'd get compensated for her work "outside" of QC as well.
None of this really matters at this point though, I doubt she'll ever work for him again. Although I wouldn't be surprised if there is an instance (or more) of Oliver needing something during the day and contacting either Felicity or Diggle, with them having to tell him no, they can't help him right now.
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Whoever is feeding him could slip it into his food. I'm sure this is something that they will never explain just like Malcolm magically being not dead.
One of the EPs said something about Laurel getting a love interest too this season. Do we think that it is such big news that they are waiting for SDCC (or some other big event) to announce that? I can't believe that the casting news didn't come out with the Brandon Routh casting news, but maybe said love interest doesn't show up until later in the season. Here's hoping they do a chemistry test this time.
If it's Ted Grant, they'd probably wait to announce it at SDCC. If not, then maybe the guy doesn't show up for a while.
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Usually Dragon Con puts actors of the same show together (Buffy, BSG, TVD) so why not for Arrow?
I don't think anyone's questioning WHY they're at the same con and/or on the same panel, just commenting on how interesting it will be to see the two of them on a stage together when there's bound to be (potentially awkward) BC questions asked.
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