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Well, to be fair, Felicity doesn't exactly dress like your typical EA, either.
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I see what you're saying @Morrigan2575, but I disagree. Oliver becoming a hero was a journey we spent all last season following. No, I won't be lost if the whole city sees him as a hero in 3x01, but considering I've been invested in the journey for two years now, I'd like to see how we got there. Same with Oliver and Felicity (provided that isn't a trick or misdirection). We don't need episodes devoted to it, but it should be shown. Last we saw, he was using her as bait to trick Slade. What changed for him in the time since?
To me, the $1mm gift to Digg and Felicity is a throwaway detail. I could even consider Lance becoming Chief as throwaway (like Digg telling the Team that Lyla's pregnant). I don't REALLY need to see any of that. But character/story growth (which the hero business/date are) should be shown. Even if it's in a montage or something, I shouldn't have to pick up a tie-in to see it.
I'll reserve final judgment until I see ep 1 (or at least read one of 2.5ms comics to see what kind of things are included). For now it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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Yeah. With the exception of the crap that involves Oliver having sex with siblings, and then with a chick who used to bang his father -- both of which are super duper gross, ewwww -- I wouldn't have a problem with any of the other individual relationships... But they keep piling on. And looking at them all together I can't help but see a pattern. Of creepy pervy writers. :)
And maybe, just maybe, a few V.C. Andrews fans.
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I could never bring myself to go near any guy that my sister or any of my cousins had been with, and I honestly don't know any girls who would. I think that the writers must have some strange idea of sisterhood if they thought that it would be okay and that everyone would be rooting for a relationship like that.
Marc Guggenheim tweeted a picture of a concept meeting for 3x01 a few weeks ago, and the room was full of about 30 men and one, maybe two women. I hesitate to use the term 'wish fulfillment' with regards to the way Oliver's love life is handled on the show, but I think there's a bunch of stereotypical male ideas as far as conquests go, and what kind of behavior from a 'playboy' and 'desirable' man is acceptable/attractive.
So, women fall all over pre-island Oliver, and he, in turn, mostly treats them like dirt, and we still have two of those women (maybe more, if the mother of his child comes back into the picture) who inexplicably want anything to do with him romantically in the present day. I can MAYBE understand Sara because of their shared experience on the island, but...eh, not really. Laurel, though...I don't understand. Yes, there is a certain appeal to taking some broken, pitiful excuse of a man and transforming him with your love or some other such nonsense, but he has shit on her repeatedly, and she's still coming back for more. At this point, she's not just a doormat, she's like...the doormat factory and warehouse all rolled into one.
I don't want to frame this as a male vs. female viewpoint debate, because I know plenty of men who would find Oliver's behavior in the past (and some of the present) unacceptable. But in terms of writing where his love life is concerned, I think there's a 'hot guy gets his pick of women and look at what they're willing to go through to be with the illustrious Oliver Queen' kind of thing at play here. I think they give the actual terms and development of the relationship very little thought. I think it's more of a "Sisters? Yeah! Sisters!" kind of thing.
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It's possibly a stylistic choice or one based on the direction of her character, so of course people will analyze these things.
I know, I'm just throwing in my $.02. The wardrobe people/stylists seem to let her (and maybe others, I don't know) keep some of her personal style on the show, with her nails and all the rings she likes to wear. It's possible that she likes her hair like that, and they just don't care as long as it looks good on camera.
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Now that's just creepy, even trying to look like her instead of actually being her own character but I guess the writers aren't even trying now.
KC had been blonde (or at least had lighter hair) for YEARS - the brunette was something fairly recent. I think she looks better with darker hair, but maybe she's going light because she likes it/feels more comfortable that way? Not everything is nefarious.
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Didn't they say that we are not going to see someone for the first few episodes? So who is it then? We have Willa, Paul and Caity in Vancouver. If it's John Barrowman, why would we see Thea without Malcolm if she left with him. Did he just leave her on her own?
Willa was tweeting that she has a few weeks to put on some muscle, so it's probably her. Her trainer seems to be in Vancouver, so that might be why she's there now.
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It's already happened in season finale, so nothing new here.
I don't know, while I do think it was stupid to have her agree to return to the League, I think it fits in with the theme of the show/her character as far as sacrificing herself for others. Toward the end she was still willing to kill for the greater good, and I think, deep down, in order to rationalize keeping her family and loved ones safe, she could accept returning to the League as something she had to do. She started to believe in herself a bit at the end of the season, started thinking that maybe she wasn't so awful after all. So yeah, while going back to the League was stupid story-wise, having her return (if she ever even left) to Starling and start villaining it up, yeah. I think negates things.
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I wonder if Sarah will be in villainous mode when she comes back - it would provide a motivation for Laurel to train, plus the writers would surely think it's a cool twist.
That would completely negate her character growth at the end of last season, so yeah, they'd probably do it.
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On the other hand, I am reminded of KC's most recent interview after she has read the season premiere script in which she said that Laurel will join Team Arrow and bet that she will become BC.
Well, it depends on her interpretation of "join." Maybe she meant she joins them as in she is in on Oliver's secret and now has dealings with the team in her capacity as (I'm assuming) DA or some other kind of law enforcement? They could be working together to solve crime in Starling and she could be a member of the team without suiting up or being in the Arrow cave all the time.
Her betting that she becomes BC doesn't really mean anything. I mean, she can't say yes for obvious reasons, and she wouldn't say no if she knew. She wants it, that much is obvious. I don't blame her, that was the role she was promised. It's not really working out so far, but I don't blame her for wanting to hang onto it. Who knows, she might very well become BC. I mean, I don't want it, but TPTB are still hanging onto it, so might as well accept it. It would be patently ridiculous (even on this show) if she was already in costume in the first ep of the season though, so if I had to bet, I'd say that was Sara.
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"We're going to see what's happened to Detective Lance after he collapsed in the season finale. A good chunk of the burning questions left over will get answered in the tie-in comic."
This is the worst.
If I want to read the comics, I'll read the damn comics. Don't try to drag me into it by giving me the info I watch your show to, you know, find out, by making me pay for a comic so I can see what happens to the characters I'm invested in. I mean, we've got Lance becoming Captain, we've got (if the synopsis is to be believed at all) Oliver to the point where he's ready to ask Felicity out, and the city LOVES Arrow now? This is important character/story development, and room should be made for it in the actual show.
There's a good way to tie the show and comics together, and stunts like this aren't it. How much are these issues going to be? If they were free, maybe I'd feel a *little* differently, but I'm guessing they're not.
(I'll buy them though, because I care and I want to know and I hate myself for that, ahhhhh)
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Caity posted an instagram of herself watching the sunrise right around the time SA tweeted about drinking a beer after an overnight shoot, so maybe it was her (or was the stunt double as Sara).
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Anyone else finding it weird that Laurel is now also a blond? Also, anyone out there familiar with the Short Hair Theory? The one that says only serious love interests get to have long hair? Did EBR cut her hair or did TPTB MAKE her cut her hair? And even if it has nothing to do with the Short Hair Theory then it is possible that they wanted her to cut her hair so that no one would mix up Laurel the blond with Felicity the blond which for whatever reason leaves me annoyed.
Why is Laurel a blond!!!???
Yeah, I might be reading to much into this hair cutting thing but I have PTSD from past shows.
Emily might have cut her hair a bit, but it's still long. Mine goes down a little past my shoulders, and my ponytail isn't as long as hers. She's got layers and she's probably turning her head in that photo, that might be why it looks a little different.
As for KC, IDK why she's blonde, but I wish she'd fully commit. I hate that ombre darker roots/light ends business.
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The paps are posting spoilers on twitter
The Oliver, Lance, Laurel scene that was filmed earlier was a short 2 minute scene. Lance holding press conference, Oliver & Laurel are there to support him.
Vertigo 2.0 is filming tonight, so is Oliver, Felicity and Ray. No idea if it's different scenes, same location or if they're all there together for some event.
From Canadagraphs, yrshoots and that pursuit/ken guy
Nice of Oliver to wear his GOOD flannel!
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What's with the dumb look on his face?
He's being angsty, thinking about Slade and how there's no one around to feed him.
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Yeah, if Laurel does become BC they can always release a second BC action figure - this time with fishnets...
Sara has fishnets-they're on the outside of her pants for whatever reason.
But yeah, it probably doesn't mean anything.
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Probably doesn't mean much, but I think it's interesting that DC is releasing Sara's Canary as a collectible at Comic-Con:
https://twitter.com/mguggenheim/status/487638484773920768/photo/1
(putting this here because I figure it goes along with speculation about Sara vs. Laurel for BC next season?)
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Or we might have show visionaries with limited vision so they recycle the same scenes with different characters and don't realize they are doing it? BTW, these weren't necessarily shipper scenes (LOL).
I think when you write it's kind of easy to plagiarize yourself from time to time. They do repeat lines like, "You wouldn't be you if you didn't," and "We wouldn't be us if we didn't," things like that. So, repeating some wording is easy and probably inevitable. I think some of these parallels might have been accidental, but most of them have got to be on purpose.
Plus, would they let a director have creative control to the point where they'd allow him to insert parallels that weren't written in?
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Any source for this??
I saw a pic on twitter or maybe instagram, I can't remember. I'll see if I can find it.
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who is Osbourne? I got nothing....
He's a CIA agent in the comics (according to the Green Arrow wiki).
The word that Stephen is standing behind is "Ferris", it looks like to me. Anyone else see that?
Yeah, looks like it. They were also filming at a racetrack (unless this boxing ring is set up at the race track, IDK), so the gambling ring theory might just be correct.
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I can see how the new spoilers could still lead to an Oliver and Laurel re-hookup. Oliver's "because of the life I lead" speech to Felicity is consistent with his subsequent hook-up with Sara because what he's really saying is: "Because of the life I lead, it's better if I not try to have a normal life as Oliver Queen with a normal girlfriend that I could love." By normal girlfriend, he means someone with little or no self-defense skills. He can still be the Arrow and get involved with and care about someone who has awesome fighting skills (like Sara). This means that he would not hook up again with the Laurel of the past two seasons, but if Laurel becomes the awesome fighting Black Canary, then he could allow himself to get involved with and love Laurel again.
If this happens, I'm going to have to stop watching this show. And I don't just mean him getting back together with Laurel, I mean him filling the mainpainy headspace where his brain should be with the notion that he can't have a relationship (especially this time when it directly involves having a relationship with Felicity, if the synopsis is to be believed), and then going and having a relationship with anyone. I'm going to get all Dr. Phil here and say that Oliver? He needs to get into a nice, long relationship with himself and fix that mess. I'm dying for some personal, non-Arrow-related growth for him, and I really want it to start here. Please, showrunners, suppress your urges and let this man be alone for a while.
I'm convinced that the Sara relationship was due to poor planning for the most part, and that when Oliver said that infamous line in 2x06, the writers intended for him to mean it. Then they needed to slow down the Olicity train, add a few easily traversed hills to Laurel's ridiculous joke of an 'island' and basically have some drama-inducing filler for a bit to set up for the last few eps of the season. I like Sara and honestly wouldn't have minded a more developed relationship between her and Oliver (I'm one of those who didn't think the hookup came out of left field, he obviously cared for her, I just wish their hookup had just been a hookup), but it turned everyone into such an idiot.
If there is another "because of the life I lead" moment, it better be a silent one. Oliver needs to keep that (repeat) realization to himself, because voicing something like that and then doing the opposite (again) brings him down a few notches on his already low likability scale, IMO.
ETA: I will be especially pissed if he pulls some nonsense about not wanting to get involved with Felicity because he's worried she'll get hurt when HE SENT HER DIRECTLY TO SLADE with nothing more than a syringe full of a cure and some vague hope that she could maybe stab him in one of his meaty appendages with it. No, show. You can't do that.
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I think these CW synopsis tend to exaggerate stuff. Remember for episode 19 it said that one of the team members is sent to the hospital when it was both Sara and Oliver who visited the hospital for minor injuries and we were thinking serious injury stuff.
So I guess we should expect this "date" to be a casual invite to Big Belly Burger, and Oliver will scrounge up enough cash from between the cushions of his couch to be able to pay Felicity's way?
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I was all mentally prepared for Felicity to have a genuine and valid love interest but I hate the idea that she might meet him in the same episode as the first date. That leaves an icky taste in my mouth.
They're already shooting at QC, and EBR was wearing her "Felicity" clothes. I'm thinking she might already know Ray by way of ::takes deep breath, holds down vomit:: working as his assistant (or well-dressed VP of something really cool, come on show, come on).
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But if they want to keep KC as Black Canary a secret [maybe not until the premiere, but at least until SDCC], they can't announce Ted Grant, because why else would he be on the show?
Why would they try to keep it a secret though? There was a flat-out passing of the torch in the finale. Everyone assumes that's what's going to happen, even if there are a lot of people (like me, idiot that I am) who still hopes they're faking us out for Manhunter or, better yet, nothing.
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Target Practice: Poisoned Arrow (The Bitterness Thread)
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The clothing that KC wears on the show isn't anything like the clothes that she posts on her blog though.
Yeah, ultimately I don't really care what any of them wear or what color/style their hair is (although I'm glad SA has to keep his scruff). It's the writing that worries me most of the time.