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I think this might be an instance of the writers forgetting what they put in their own show. I remember this being an issue last year, because some of us were wondering if people of Starling City might wonder where exactly Sara went. Would no one see that her grave had just been dug up? Would no one ask where she was? There was a party thrown for her when her parents found out she was alive again. She was a bartender at Verdant. IIRC, MG's answer to a question about people wondering about Sara was that people thought that she died in 2007. So...I'm guessing people are still supposed to believe that she's dead.

The quality makes it a bit difficult to get a decent screen cap:

I'm pretty sure the whole conversation that Felicity and Oliver had on the beach of Lian Yu was Felicity trying to suss out whether or not Oliver meant what he said when he told her that he loved her. I think Felicity understood how she felt about Oliver, but never in a million years thought he might feel the same way. I think Oliver knew how she felt about him, but didn't want to give her any indication about how he felt about her, so he kind of left her dangling there till he worked it out himself. Which seemed like it took all summer.

This is probably my biggest complaint about the whole episode. Oliver wasn't angry about anything other than Laurel not telling him about Sara escaping (because people were getting hurt/killed), and he didn't even seem all that angry about that? He definitely didn't seem to pass judgment on either Laurel or Thea. So Laurel calling him out on being judgmental and Thea avoiding his call because of it was incredibly stupid, and both of those actions would've fit well in another episode in an earlier season. It didn't fit well here at all.

Yeah, I got that feeling too. Mostly because they didn't talk through a single one of their issues. It was accusation/agreement, basically.

He did dangle maybes, though. Literally. Twice in the episode. "Remember when I told you I couldn't be with a person I could really care about? Maybe I was wrong." "I thought I could be me and the Arrow, but I can't. Not now, maybe not ever." He gave her a maybe that he could be with her, and then he gave her a maybe that someday it would work out. She was asking him to make up his freaking mind. That's not really what happened, though. Oliver led her to believe that what he told her was a trick, and then over hiatus, came to terms with what he was feeling. Kinda. I agree with you that Oliver and Felicity weren't that great in S3, but neither one of the above was part of the problem IMO.

I personally don't think that will ever change, but I thought your comment was a part of our discussion about audience interpretation going from episode to episode. In the past writing her as terrible and then turning it around with one good ep has worked (generally speaking), so why wouldn't they keep doing it?

I think the Canaries fix worked for the most part. As for fixing her again, I'm guessing that's because she acted like a loon during the whole resurrection storyline.

I *think* it was Matt Mitovich, but it could've been someone else from an entertainment site I look at, who basically thought that audience perception of a character should be an episode-to-episode thing.

The way the question was phrased, I think it's probably a line said by Oliver. Unless SA misread it.

UH, IF IT GOES DOWN LIKE THAT AT ALL HE CAN FOR REAL JUST FUCKING DIE

IT'S A TRICK

That screen cap is misleading. He didn't seem upset by it at all, and actually seemed pretty sympathetic about what she was telling him.

So, depending on the circumstances, I wouldn't mind if this was real. What I'd kind of like is if this was public specifically to catch DD's attention, and we got an inverted version of the mansion scene in 2x23. Like, we're watching, we think this proposal is real. Felicity gets kidnapped or whatever over the winter break, and then when she's found, we get a flashback of his actual, real proposal and their plan to use the proposal to make her a bigger target so she could infiltrate HIVE/Darhk's compound or whatever. /fanfic

Yeah, I was thinking that either she was fibbing so she didn't spoil (cause that's a pretty big spoiler!) or that Oliver's proposal was unplanned and he never got the chance to actually give her the ring (or hadn't yet, at the time of the interview).

It's cool that we have vid and all, but it's kind of pointless to speculate about what's happening when we don't have context, and we don't even know if they were actually filming when this was recorded.

I'm curious about why she kneels in front of him.

And a staged proposal for a mayoral campaign is?

I mean, I'm not sure what the circumstances are, so IDK. I was wondering if maybe it was fake, kind of like the mansion scene in 2x23, only this time she's in on it. To put herself in Darhk's crosshairs maybe? Although if that's the case I hope he actually proposed to her in private first. Or will at some point, haha. I'm guessing this is probably real though. And probably right before she gets kidnapped or hurt and we'll get another shot of the grave ANVILS ANVILS ANVILS

Yeah, I mean, I think there were some pretty good reasons in-show for not being angry about her lying about the actual resurrection (as Oliver himself said, he has no business getting angry at someone else for lying). But Laurel waiting a whole week to tell someone that Sara was missing? So stupid. And yeah, Sara killed a bunch of criminals, but shouldn't a DA actually want those people to get their day in court? I liked that Oliver was angry about the aftermath rather than the actual resurrection, but that was the last we heard of it, really.

Yeah, I noticed that in this ep, too. Ridiculous.

If it makes you feel better, that's pretty much all there is of the hugging.

Are you talking about this scene? Because literally all Felicity says about Ray is that she has a recording that he made for her right before he died and that she didn't want to listen to it and feel that grief again. Then she muses that apart from the side effects, isn't the LP kind of nice because you don't have to live through the pain of saying goodbye to someone? Then Oliver talks about his parents and Tommy, and how he'd do anything to have another minute with them, but the LP doesn't heal anyone's pain, it makes it worse. And it seems like Felicity figures out Ray's alive in 4x06, so I don't think you have to worry about any of that.

He was. :)

Since he's a double agent now, I don't think it'll be a big deal.