Toonces464
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I guess this is getting to be one of my biggest problems with Maks and to a lesser extent Val --- the total codependence. You people are adults. You're allowed to take jobs, or make career moves, or make charity appearances, or even socialize, on your own without being attached to someone in your fam 24/7. Peta's even worse than Maks because she doesn't seem to have or do anything that doesn't revolve around him. Which is why, even though I don't care for her, I give Jenna credit for continuing to do her thing.
That being said, I'm not so sure this tour will do as well as last time. Maks and Val are a draw but when they start pulling the rest of their fam into things it doesn't go as well, as evidenced by the poor turnout they had for those Sway shows (even the Maks/Peta engagement stunt couldn't save that Miami show). I also think being so close on the heels of the DWTS tour will hurt them as people have already shelled out money for that tour, which includes a lot more of the dancers and is much more appealing to the non-fam fans.
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1 hour ago, McManda said:
In general, my issue with the #metoo movement is that is opens the door for every woman to come forward about a time she felt uncomfortable with a man. I know nothing about Nick's case in particular (though I know he issued a public statement back), but I can see why a statement by a retired B-list girlbander 15 years after the fact with no documentation or corroboration would be something to not pay attention to. It seems like for every Cosby or Weinstein there are a dozen guys with one claim against them, which says something to me, too.
I'd actually be afraid to be a man right now and yes, I understand that's part of the "problem". But I wouldn't want to have to be afraid of how I spoke to a woman, or of something that I thought was consensual in the moment was going to used against me (because the only real proof we have is what the victims say, most of the time). Or I wouldn't want to have my experiences marginalized if I was assaulted by a woman simply because "men want it".
I think everyone should just be a better person, but I also think maybe Sharna should have stayed out of it. (But I also don't necessarily think she's wrong.)
Bravo. I feel the same. I think it's great that we're living in a day and age where women are starting to speak out against men who did such horrible things. But I also think it's opening the door for a lot of other things too, including fame, publicity and making a buck. By no means am I saying that women who are speaking out now are doing that, but all it takes is one seeing a cash cow or a way to get their name in the papers, or someone who was spurned and is still bitter, to ruin someone's reputation, career and life forever.
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So Val's book is available for pre-order. Good for him for writing it and getting it published but I can't help but think there are other pros who I would've expected a memoir/autobiography from due to their fame, popularity and/or accomplishments. It just seems to me that Val and Maks love to milk this poor immigrant thing for all it's worth.
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1 hour ago, truthaboutluv said:
Derek and Val have always been friendly enough, though they've certainly had their competitive moments. I think they've always gotten along well enough but as two competitive people there has definitely been a rivalry at times. That said, it's certainly not fandom delusion that Derek and Maks do not like each other. And why would they, when Maks has repeatedly made it known publicly that he believed the show was biased in favor of Derek.
And the US Weekly cover story that featured the two and Cheryl only a year or two ago, proved that there is still no love lost between those two. So again, I don't think the fans have entirely made up The Fam v. Hough war. I think the fans have taken it to ridiculous levels, taking sides and acting like to love one meant hating the other. And it is especially ridiculous since they don't know any of these people personally.
I did see posts about the couples Cabo vacation on my Instagram search feed, since one of my followers follows damn near every Pro from the show. The whole thing amused me because I just thought, "oh look, it's the two young women and their much older boyfriends who've treated them like shit publicly but being with them has gotten them a lot of publicity on the show so they continue to stick around." The whole thing is especially amusing since the Instagram drama that happened with Derek and Hayley that they quickly glossed over and their fans like to pretend never happened, involved Val.
I've always felt Val got along just fine with both Derek and Mark (he seems especially close to Mark) but because Maks has issues with both of them, it's translated over to Val among the fans.
We have the same thought on the two young troupe ladies LOL. The troupe aren't really known to anyone except the young fans on Twitter who tweet them constantly because they get tweets back from them, but hooking up with Val and Derek has definitely helped both Jenna and Hayley with name recognition and prominence on the show. I feel the same about Maks and Peta --- she may not be in the troupe, but she wasn't a name anyone knew until she hooked up with Maks. During their breakup, you never saw her name mentioned anywhere until she went back to Maks. I feel a bit bad for all of them because once the show is over and the guys aren't as noteworthy, how long will any of them stick around? Emma and Sasha doesn't seem to fall into that category, mainly because neither of them is that well known, but they are known now as the couple that got engaged live on DWTS.
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40 minutes ago, Uke said:
Off topic but if you're interested, Jenna and Val, Hayley and Derek are vacationing together at the same Cabo resort. They've been on each other's instagram stories and were at some sort of movie-at-the-beach event last night. For supposed "warring factions", I guess they get along just fine. Or maybe the "warring factions" are just the opposing fan groups. LOL!
I saw those! I don't think the warring factions are as at war as some would like to think. I remember several times that Derek showed up with the fam out in NYC.
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19 hours ago, HappyDancex2 said:
I've run the Finale in the background a few times and I'm surprised at how many times Jenna was featured in the show. Even in the group performances the camera always seemed to find her. Huh. Seems like her relationship with Val has paid dividends. It's also going to be awkward when they break up and he gets her booted to the faceless back end of the troupe again.
The show is loving all these personal relationships among the pros.......they get a lot more mileage out of them than the partner showmances they used to push. But yeah, I agree, no one has benefited more than Jenna, though Peta is a close second.
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22 hours ago, shoregirl said:
Big Bang Theory is on Thursdays and it would still be up against Thurday Night Football.
And the whole Must See Thursday that NBC is pushing.
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10 hours ago, spanana said:
Ratings are sinking because all broadcast ratings are sinking. That is due to the changing nature of television, broadcast television and the way people digest television (streaming, etc.). It also has to do with the show being more than a decade old. For all of DWTS faults, and I think it has many, I don't think sinking ratings have to do with the state of the pro roster, the celebs or any of those other things. Combine the changing nature of television and the age of the show, the ratings going lower is sort of a duh moment for me. Anyone expecting a 10 year old show to still being getting peak ratings, even without factoring all broadcast ratings being down, is semi delusional. The only reason DWTS even has this problem is because it's managed to be a solid mainstay on television for 26 seasons. How many shows can boast 26 seasons and still live to fight another day? I do think TPTB should do what they can to make changes and sustain the life of the show, but sinking ratings isn't a DWTS problem. It's an all of television problem. The main issue is the ratings system needs to be overhauled to reflect how people watch television today.
Isn't it still one of ABC's top rated show, despite the sinking ratings?
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7 hours ago, Dobian said:
His was flashy and athletic, but half of it was him pretty much dancing by himself which to me was self-indulgent and not what *pairs* ballroom dancing is about at all. It was a Vegas show.
The freestyle is not about "pairs" ballroom dancing and never has been. It's their chance to do something different. You could say Alfonso's tap dance solo in his freestyle to be self-indulgent as well. Or really anyone who's done a solo in their freestyle.
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21 minutes ago, crossover said:
OK. Isn't it still a top rated show on one of the major networks or has it fallen so far down that it's no longer in the "must see" category?
I meant PBS.
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1 hour ago, crossover said:
OK. I was addressing the fact that the poster said the earlier pros were more compelling and that "the pros were so much fun to watch because they were all champions and all so well trained in ballroom dancing" as a reason for the falling ratings. I just pointed out the other program that had ballroom-trained dancers and that the ratings were not good.
That also wasn't a top rated show on one of the major networks.
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1 hour ago, crossover said:
I think there are a number of reasons why ratings are sinking--DVR and streaming are the main ones. People are also worried about the NFL games. So obviously the ratings are down in most cases. In today's world, there are just more ways to enjoy TV programs.
I also think it's a lack of compelling pros. Back in the early days of the show the pros were so much fun to watch because they were all champions and all so well trained in ballroom dancing. Now you've got a herd of blonde lookalikes who don't seem to do anything but get up there and gyrate and a bunch of guys trying desperately to be the old Maks (put your shirts on, Alan and Gleb). And the damn troupe, who seem to build fan bases based on responding to people on Twitter who carry on about them becoming pros.
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2 hours ago, realdancemom said:
This is not the first year that there are two stars in the show. The year that Alek went, Hayes was also on tour. Neither one of them won and Hayes wasn't even in the finals.
I saw the tour back in 2009 and in those days they had several celebs in it.
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1 hour ago, Snarklepuss said:
Don't get me wrong, he clearly deserved to win, I just wish he had been cast on another season or something so Frankie and Lindsay would have had a fair shot.
The same could be said about James and Calvin in Season 23...or Amy and Candace in Season 18...or Evan and Erin in Season 10. In fact, I think you could say it about quite a few seasons where the winner was obvious before the season even started.
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35 minutes ago, sab85 said:
I don't know but I was shocked Maks and Vanessa actually danced together. They could have easily had her do a girl's number or something with Nikki.
Probably trying to squelch that bad blood rumors one last time since I doubt the two will ever see or speak to each other again.
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19 minutes ago, tessaforever said:
Also taking to General Gabbery.
I actually started to like Cheryl a little bit this season (she just rubs me the wrong way), and then she didn't show up for the finale! I mean, come on. That wasn't fair to TO at all. And you can't tell me she had something better to do on Tuesday night.
I thought I saw Cheryl in one of the female numbers?
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16 minutes ago, spanana said:
Toonces464, I'm not sure if you mean who was at Maks/Peta wedding versus that ridiculous birthday party, but I think Donald Driver was at the wedding. So Peta did have some representation from her former partners.
You're right, Donald was there. I forgot about him.
17 minutes ago, spanana said:As for Jenna, Jenna has a habit of trying to latch on to people and then calling them her bestie five seconds after meeting them to the point that it's almost comical. She usually tries to latch on to someone that in the case of Meryl, could get her an in with Val and the fam, or people that she thinks can get her a leg up career wise. I have to give that woman credit that she's a hustler in that sense. Meryl was her best friend. She also tried latching on to Rumer and I think they must have had some sort of falling out at some point. She tends to do it with Val's partners, though interestingly I noticed that Victoria never seemed to bite. Jenna also tries to grab on to the people that she knows have a big social media following- Normani, Hayes Greer, Laurie, Riker, etc. I think she briefly tried it with Zendaya, but she backs off when she doesn't get the response she wants obviously. I fully expect her to move on to Jordan on tour.
Personally I'm shocked she's doing the tour without Val, especially since it seems Maks and Val are gearing up to take their show on the road again. I still laugh at that trip to Hawaii which was so random.
18 minutes ago, spanana said:My favorite on Jenna was several years ago when she was trying to get in with Peta & Sharna she used to always refer to them on social media as her "Scissor Sisters" as I guess it was part of some inside joke. She would write it so often that eventually fans had to prompt Jenna to look it up because I guarantee her Mormon self had no idea what that meant. Then she suddenly stopped using it.
Yes, I remember that! I was like WTF is she even talking about? But Peta was saying it too. Honestly, of all the female pros, these are probably two of the biggest nobodies without the brothers.
19 minutes ago, spanana said:Interesting on Artem. I didn't know something potentially went down. I just noticed that he became a staple with the Emma/Sasha crew. Artem in general seems a bit of a loner. I noticed often on tours, he tends to go off by himself when everyone else is hanging out.
I thought it was so weird that after Sway, he and Henry went home with the Seeds family and started popping up in their house and on their family vacations. Then when they both left to do the DWTS cruise, she went with them. Right now Artem seems pretty tight with Gleb.
19 minutes ago, spanana said:Oh, to be a fly on a wall. I also still want to know what entirely went down with Mark & Witney that they still can barely even look at each other. Especially considering they are both married now. If you want to see awkward, watch the forced hug/interaction between Mark & Witney after Frankie's elimination.
I did watch for that and it was so uncomfortable to watch. I can't even begin to imagine how many of these pros have slept with each other, probably at the same time!
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1 hour ago, spanana said:
There are some pros that I've noticed shift between the "sides". Sharna and Peta are still close but Sharna doesn't hang out with the other fam people as much as she used to, but maybe that is also a function of babies and such. Artem also used to be considered fam and was part of Sway and all that, but he hangs out more with Emma/Sasha now. Keo and Alan kind of can go either way. If anything, last season they both clung to Rashad more than anyone, and of course he was attached to Emma.
Sharna spent a brief time hanging out with Maks, Val and Peta last year after the fall season ended and then I never saw her hang out with them again. I know she stopped by the house in NJ on Christmas Eve but she spent Christmas in NYC with Mark and Shirley. I think there was a falling out with Artem because he stopped following Maks, Val and Peta on social media right after the last Sway in NYC. I remember he and Henry spent one off-season pretty much living and traveling with the wife of Maks's doctor but I don't see any of them bother too much with her anymore.
1 hour ago, spanana said:Lindsay IMO is that rare pro who I just think is so gosh darn nice that she gets along with everyone. I guess her main current connection to Val is that Jenna counts Lindsay as a "bestie" though that seems like more a function of growing up together than current closeness. Jenna rarely hangs out with any of the Utah girls personally, or so it seems, anymore. She's usually trying to latch on to Peta or Sharna when not with Val.
Remember after Season 18 Jenna went on that trip to Hawaii with Meryl? I always thought she was using her because she bought into the showmance and thought clinging to Meryl would be her in with Val.
1 hour ago, spanana said:Also I thought it was interesting how few pros attended Maks/Peta's big nuptials. From DWTS, Sharna and Rumer were bridesmaids. I assume Tony was a groomsman, but besides that there were slim pickings in terms of what pros showed up. Kym/Robert were there. Jenna was obviously there as Val's date. I feel like Alan might have been there, but that was it. However Julianne got married the same weekend so Emma/Sasha and Mark were there. Also while Peta's past celebs attended, I don't think any of Maks partners showed, though I don't know who he invited. Candace Cameron was weirdly there.
That reminded me of that ridiculous birthday party the fam threw for him a few years back. He said it was to bring his east and west coast families together in one place and the only ones who showed up were Erin, Kirstie and Chelsie Hightower. I think Nyle was the only one of Peta's former partners to attend but no, Maks had no one (although apparently Amber Rose was invited and planned on going, then bailed). What was weird, if you follow her on social media, Erin was glued to Instagram that night liking all the wedding pictures immediately as they were posted. I found that so odd because I thought if any of his past partners would be there it would be her. But since he wasn't at her wedding a few weeks earlier, I assume their past fling made them both decide to stay away since they do still seem close.
1 hour ago, penbrat said:I am so hoping that for this shortened season that we see neither C brother. I would not mind if Tony came back. He is really the only one of the "fam" I can deal with.
I love Tony! I met him and Maks at a dance studio a few years back and he's such a nice guy and so much better looking in person!
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Val and Sasha particularly don't like each other and are always managing to get in passive aggressive digs at the other but I don't really know why. Val & Emma used to be close but don't seem to be anymore so maybe it has something to do with that. There are a couple pros like Lindsay and Sharna that seem to have a foot in both worlds, though Lindsay doesn't really hang out with the fam pros much on her off time, so much as they at least seem to respect her and her work. I don't think the same holds true for Witney for instance.
I was also stunned to see Maks and Val post about Lindsey last night. I don't think either of them have ever posted outside the fam wins. But my first thought was that it really wasn't about her winning as much as Mark not winning. I know Val and Mark are close but I also remember many times that Maks and Val both took passive aggressive digs at him.
I think the Val/Sasha thing stems from the period of time Emma and Sasha were broken up but still living together. As soon as that happened and Emma joined Sway I got the feeling she and Val had a thing going on. When it didn't seem to pan out, she got back with Sasha. I also thought that was why Sharna broke things off with Paul, because she and Val had hooked up and she and her BFF Peta were going to become sisters with the two brothers. That didn't pan out either and I've also noticed she seems to spend more time with other pros than with the fam. She seems particularly close to Mark.
Keo has been spending a lot of time with Maks and Peta lately so I guess he's the latest to defect to the fam. With Sharna and Tony not around them much anymore, it feels like there's a revolving door among the pros lately as to who's part of the codependency circle, doesn't it? A few months ago, it was Alan.
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4 minutes ago, spanana said:
Because maybe it's also about talent and ability and not how long someone has been on the show. The Maks being pushed to a mirrorball was ridiculous to me because it was more about poor Maks and how long he had been on the show without a trophy as opposed to whether or not he actually deserved a trophy here and there. Yes, Mel B. I get it. Many feel she was robbed but I also thought she kind of had an ill timed meltdown in the finale with a really awful freestyle.
With Lindsay, I don't think it was ever about how she long she had been on the show without a trophy so much as her general overall success rate with her partners and how far she's managed to get some pretty awful non-dancers. Also if you look at how the other pros treat and react to Lindsay, I'd argue she's probably the most universally well liked pro amongst the other pros. Everyone seems to love Lindsay therefore they wanted her to get a trophy. All you have to do is look all the lovely glowing things the various other pros have said and posted about her and compare it to the more partisan reaction on some other seasons. Lindsay is like the Miss Congeniality of DWTS.
I also don't think TPTB pushed the Lindsay has never won angle nearly as hard as they did with Maks. It was more Jordan talking about how badly he wanted to Lindsay to win than the overwhelming push from TPTB like we got with Maks. With Meryl, half of her packages were about Maks and his lack of mirrorball.
And remember, her season came at a time that Maks actually DID walk away from the show. In fact, just a few weeks before his return to Season 18 was announced, he was on AH talking about how badly he had wanted the mirrorball with Erin that he bawled his eyes out when they were eliminated, but that he was over it and it no longer mattered to him. Then there he was, back a few weeks later with the biggest ringer the show has ever seen.
Season 18 will always be one of my least favorites ever because of all the pushing a trophy on Maks nonsense and the ridiculous showmance that went along with it.
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21 minutes ago, thesupremediva1 said:
And, finally, even though many female ringers have won before, may the next ultra-talented, super-confident female ringer experience the fair treatment, cushy remarks, and inoffensive packages that Jordan received this season. In other words, let's see if TPTB just let them compete and earn their scores rather than trying to undercut them at every turn like what happened to Heather, Normani, Nastia, etc.
We already saw that. Her name was Meryl Davis.
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7 minutes ago, anonymiss said:
Jordan's win makes me feel bad for Heather Morris. Jordan was fortunate not to have someone like Wendy Williams publicize his professional dance background as she did for Heather multiple times, instructing her audience not to support this "cheater."
I seriously doubt very many people decided who to vote or not vote for based on the words of an idiot like Wendy Williams.
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34 minutes ago, Snickerdoodle said:
My guess is so that baseball players can participate before the baseball season starts.
Between spring training, full season and post season baseball runs from February through November. I don't see any way an active player can do the show.
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5 hours ago, 00redsvt said:
I know I shouldn't joke either, but I agree. I think she lost too much, too fast, after the baby? I'm not sure. Even in other pros IG stories she doesn't act like she used to. See, I love the bloopers so much I was watching some old seasons on YT last night and Peta was absolutely hilarious in some of them. This whole season she's seemed so unsure and off kilter. Hopefully it's nothing but I do wonder if being married to Maks is starting to wear on her. That was mean. I'll hush now.
Being married to him can't be easy. He may also be forcing those damn vitamins he's shilling on her, as well as his new "healthy eating habits" which he says are going to make him live forever.
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I was referring to SYTYCD and the DWTS tour, but I forgot she pulled Val into SYTYCD. It's all so weird to me because if you remember, a year or so ago TPTB at DWTS seemed ready to dump her. Now she's getting all this special treatment, yet she so far as been one and done as far as being a pro. And I don't know if it's all from being with Val because they haven't even been back together for a year and this has been going on for awhile.
Peta can do what she wants but what I find disturbing is that what she "wants" is always what Maks wants or plans or needs. Other than an occasional mention or QVC appearance, her spray tan has pretty much been forgotten. She was also launching some kind of exercise thing when she got back together with Maks and totally dropped that. She goes to his trainer, uses his vitamins, guest stars on his tour. And don't even get me started that she went along with a wedding that was pretty much exactly what he'd been planning with Karina.
I did see the Maks and Val tour and while it was entertaining, it wasn't great and I felt at the time it needed work. The first half was good but the second half really dragged. But I think Maks and Val just play off their sexy and all the obsessed female fans they have, so they don't feel they need to do much more than shake their asses and take their shirts off.