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On 6/26/2017 at 6:45 PM, Uke said:
Congratulations to Erin who got married on Saturday! She looks so beautiful and it seems she kept it simple with just a small group of family/friends.
Unfortunately I don't think this is going to end well for her. The guy she married is a cokehead who waited until she got that huge settlement to propose to her, despite her pretty much begging for a ring. And that small group of friends consists only of hockey players and their wives, so I find it kind of weird that only his friends/co-workers were included. Not a single person from DWTS/NFL on FOX or even her best friends Brooklyn Decker and Chrissy Teigen were there?
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1 hour ago, realdancemom said:
I see Zendaya is still rooting for Val to win. I don't see anything wrong with that.
Unless they have a bad relationship (like Maks and Hope or Cheryl and Ian), I think most celebs who have been on the show continue rooting for their pros to win.
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6 hours ago, crossover said:
Really don't understand this statement? She's hanging on to a major part of her life. She shouldn't rewrite history to make it look better.
If DWTS is a major part of her life then I think she has some changes to make.
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3 hours ago, surreysmum said:
Re: Normani. Nope. The ideal finale for me would involve the three best dancers. This year, IMO, Normani was one of those, and that's why I named her. I suppose it's possible that there were manipulations to keep her in the finale; I'd *like* to think there were enough people voting for actual dancing that the voting itself kept her in. The prevailing narrative, however, is that Normani's success or lack thereof was either due to "fan base" (whatever that is) or producer manipulation.
The show has had a problem for a long time now with ringers and the perception of ringers. This season they had four women who were perceived that way. They were not going to all make the finale because that isn't what the viewing audience for this show, or at least the majority of it, wants to see.
Do I think Normani had help? Absolutely. Whether that was based on her, Val, or the number of votes she had in comparison to Heather, Simone and/or Nancy I have no idea but my money is on Val. He is currently the most popular pro on the show and because of that it benefits them to keep him around as long as possible.....just like they did with Derek (and to an extent Maks) for so many years.
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49 minutes ago, surreysmum said:
Can someone more familiar with the mechanics of the show answer a question for me? Other than the momentary humiliation factor, is there any difference to the celeb between finishing second or finishing third? My understanding is that they're paid by the episode, right? And I assume that the trophy winner has an ancillary benefit (especially for those in showbiz) of having some extra airtime on talk shows, but I can't see that being a factor between second and third placement.
If there is, I'm sure it's very minuscule. I think in some cases, the person who comes in second or even third makes out better than the winner as far as how it helps their career.
51 minutes ago, surreysmum said:How about for the pro? Are they paid by the episode, or by the placement? In most cases, it would roughly correspond, of course.
I know the pros are paid a base salary and then it depends how long they last. That's a very good question about a difference in pay for the ones who go all the way to the end but don't win.
52 minutes ago, surreysmum said:As usual (nearly always), I was briefly disgusted by the results, and then shrugged and let it go because the scale I judge on is clearly not the scale that operates on the show. So I've quit saying "should have won" and "wuz robbed" and just enjoy the dancing, saying, "not my results." Insofar as TPTB listen to me and my type of viewer (which I assume is not at all), they should simply note that, charming as David and Rashad are - and I certainly bear no animus against the guys; they both seem lovely people - if TPTB manage with their all-too-blatant assume-the-audience-is-stupid engineering to come up with a final that consists of three Davids, or two Davids and a Rashad, they will lose my viewership. Presumably they have run the numbers over the years and concluded that they will put more bums on couches with charming goofy guys with heartwarming backstories than with my preferred final, which this year would have been Heather-Normani-Nancy or Heather-Normani-Simone. Fair enough. Putting bums on couches to sell broadcast advertising is their business. Whether that particular business model is going to last very much longer anyway is a whole other topic.
You feel the ideal finale would have involved Normani and I think TPTB did listen to you and your type of viewer by pushing her into the finals. Everyone I know who watches the show said from Week 1 they thought Rashad would win and that's who they were voting for. David, there was just no way they cou compete with his fans. Add them to the general DWTS voting audience that does like that kind of contestant and there's your finale.
The show made a huge mistake in bringing in a professional dancer to be on the show. To the general viewing audience, this was not what they wanted to see and clearly Heather didn't have a big enough fan base to overcome that. And they made another huge mistake pairing her with Maks. He is not as popular as he used to be and he doesn't have the power voting fan base behind him anymore that can drag Kirstie Alley to second place or keep Hope Solo around until just before the semis. Plus he's lost the ability to be able to showmance his partner for votes which I think hurts him more than anyone (including him) could have realized.
I think pairing Nancy with Artem was a good move for the show and I think this season turned a lot of people around on Artem, but he also was not a strong enough pro in terms of popularity with a strong enough fan base to keep them around against some of the other pro fan bases, like Sharna's.
The show has lasted for 24 seasons with this particular business model and has at least two more to go so I think it's working just fine for them.
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25 minutes ago, Venee said:
Momentum is a thing, and I think Maks gets high on that. I didn't see a "Disney clunker" repeating. I also think pound for pound Heather is the one dancer that could challenge Normani...
I've seen Maks many times put out a sparkler followed by a clunker. And obviously Rashad and David were able to challenge Normani since they both beat her.
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16 minutes ago, Venee said:
She had only danced once with Maks prior to that. He comes back and they get the first 40. As it played out that night, none of the others you mentioned were a threat.
You can't say the only real threat to Val and Normani getting immunity was Heather and Maks based on what they danced the previous week. Even if they hadn't been eliminated, they could have produced another clunker like that Jazz.
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9 minutes ago, Venee said:
The only real threat to immunity for them had been Eliminated the week Prior ,Heather and Maks. I guess one could argue they decided to make that the immunity week, but I'm guessing each shows theme and format is planned well in advance of the results.
Why would Heather and Maks be the only real threat for immunity? None of their dances were that spectacular that they would warrant immunity except maybe their Rumba. Rashad, Simone, Nancy, really anyone could have been a threat depending on the week and the dance.
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1 hour ago, McManda said:
For me, my like/dislike for Peta depends solely on her partner. I remember disliking her a lot with Donald Driver and hated her showmance with James Maslow, but I really enjoyed her with Nick.
Sharna, on the other hand, seems to either get better personality partners or just presents them better. I loved the way she handled Andy Dick, and her partnerships with Charlie and Nick were delightful. Her other partners were, for me at least, inoffensive. I find that if anything I dislike Sharna's choreography, especially when it feels like she's out of ideas and resorts to club grind. But then I'm torn, because she also does memorable things I liked, like Andy Dick's jazz routine, his simple Viennese waltz, or Nick Carter's Viennese waltz.
If I had to choose I'd choose Sharna, but I do kind of hope that she either slows down or maybe takes a season off to find her creativity again.
I really liked Sharna with Charlie and James. Peta showmanced Brant as much as James.
1 hour ago, smiley13 said:I would much rather see Peta than Sharna. The only season I disliked Peta was the All-Star season with Gilles. There has never been a season or partner where I liked Sharna. Anything with Andy Dick was the worst because he is such a repulsive person.
Peta and Nick were a good partnership this season. I do not watch The Bachelor so I had no pre-conceived notion about him.
I would love to see Sharna leave the show. When you have Lindsay, Emma, Witney and Peta as pros that is a good group. I loved having Kym back even though it was a short time. But please do not bring back Allison. In an ideal season, we would get back Edyta and/or Karina.
Oh Gilles. How much I loved him in Season 8 when he was partnered with Cheryl and how much I despised him during All Stars with Peta. That still makes me so sad that he didn't come back with Cheryl.
One of the biggest reasons I hope the fam all take next season off is that maybe we'll get Karina back.
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28 minutes ago, boyznkatz said:
I think Sharna was just beaten by Peta, who knew how to play to James's teenybopper fans, and Mark, who knew how to play to Candace's nostalgia/conservative fans.
I agree about Mark but let's be honest, Peta showmanced James just as much as Maks showmanced Meryl. It just didn't get the same kind of attention because she wasn't as big a deal as Maks.
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2 hours ago, boyznkatz said:
I agree. She isn't Cheryl or Kym or even Peta. Her choreography does look trashy. She couldn't even get to the finals with the biggest ringer of all time (Charlie) or a massive fanbase ringer like Antonio Brown.
Again, I really don't think you can blame Sharna for what happened with Charlie. He was sacrificed at the altar of Maks.
26 minutes ago, boyznkatz said:I guess she bugs me because she is a big mouth like the C-brothers and then gets mad when people are offended. And like them, her choreography isn't all that and a bag of chips, yet the show keeps trying to make her happen. Time for all of them to go.
I couldn't stand Sharna when she was in the troupe with all her mugging for the camera and that annoying wink. I liked her during her first season because I thought she did a good job with Andy Dick. Since then I waffle back and forth on her. I realized the other night I would like her a whole lot better if she wasn't part of the fam because they rub off on her in a way I really don't like. Just like Peta.....I've never liked her but I can't even stomach the sight of her as part of the fam.
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1 minute ago, Uke said:
Wasn't it Rashad's sister who was so certain Rashad couldn't dance?
Wasn't this Calvin?
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12 minutes ago, marykat71702 said:
Ok, I give up. What does this mean? Google says it means "your mileage may vary", but that makes no sense in this context.
It means that as in you might have a different opinion.
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34 minutes ago, F. M. said:
As much as I adore Derek, I didnt always vote for him, because a couple of times I didnt like who he was dancing with. I vote for someone I enjoy, not just because Derek is on the show and is extremely brilliant at freestyles, see what I did there .LOL
This. Back in the days I was a Maks fan, the only times I ever voted for him were with Misty and Erin. These days I really can't say I have a favorite pro.
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1 hour ago, crossover said:
I don't think Sharna would've won with Rashad. In fact, I was thinking it was lucky for Rashad that TPTB decided to give Emma and Sasha gifts this season. Sharna couldn't take Charlie to F4. This season had more than "Meryl" to contend with. So this would've been another "bad timing" for Sharna.
To be fair I don't think that had anything to do with Sharna. Charlie was clearly sacrificed that season to get Maks his mirrorball.
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1 hour ago, sinycalone said:
Are you from the Philadelphia area, too? lol There many fans in the Philly region who are avid but sensible -- then there are those who are just nuts. I like to think the people in my circle are of the former variety...and we rooted for David.
New York. :)
1 hour ago, DollEyes said:Congrats to Rashad & Emma! All the lame partners that Emma has had before makes this victory even sweeter. Rashad was the right partner at the right time. However, it was annoying that Sasha apparently didn't even get the chance to congratulate Emma-aka his fiancee'-before she & Rashad got whisked away, and in a golf cart, at that.
It's funny because I was thinking how nice it was that Emma and Rashad had a moment for just the two of them, unlike the season Nyle won and the entire fam rushed the stage the second his name was announced.
1 hour ago, vibeology said:I've seen this brought up before but I don't understand the reference. Jarret Stoll was never charged with or found guilty of any drug dealing crimes. He was charged with felony possession of cocaine and ecstasy and pled that down to a misdemeanor possession. He was the guy caught holding on a Vegas weekend. It's not good but it certainly isn't dealing.
The guy was carrying enough drugs to supply a small army, and at least one wasn't of the variety for a bunch of guys having a boys weekend in Vegas. YMMV.
37 minutes ago, Archery said:The only male "shock boot" I can recall was Wanya, but I don't know if he was considered a ringer. I've never really understood what makes one fit into that category.
Charlie White.
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20 minutes ago, crossover said:
I don't think winning makes a difference either. But Spanana and I were guessing about when and why things changed. Spanana guess was it was partly because Rashad signed on for the tour. I threw out my guesses but the tour may be a possibility this time. But for it to fit my guesses they would've had to know 2 or 3 weeks ago. Just fun stuff.
I think Rashad was always going to win. I think they just pimped Normani so much because Val is the most popular pro right now (and really the only "star power" they have) so it benefits them to have him go to the end.
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8 hours ago, Callaphera said:
Except when Sean Avery was on DWTS. Hateful little troll of a man. I hate that he was the first (and so far only) NHL player on the show.
I dread the day Erin gets her drug dealing hockey player on the show. LOL
8 hours ago, voiceover said:"Regardless of team affiliation or loyalty"?? You know much nicer fans than I do.
I am a part of what is generally thought to be the most obnoxious fan base in sports. The people I know are not nice. But there are a lot of fans who cheer for the sport, not the laundry.
3 hours ago, sab85 said:I really don't know if I would say that NFL fans gave Rashad the win. It's been shown over and over again that rabid social-media wielding fan bases can't compete with the casual fan core of the show. The demo on this show tends to be older, conservative and female which lines up perfectly to vote for a hard-working, respectful, good-looking guy who's also not a bad dancer.
Exactly what I was going to say. I don't think his fan base, or lack of one, mattered. He was the perfect contestant for the demographic. And his looks and personality didn't hurt. At all.
1 hour ago, boyznkatz said:I'm think Nicole would have lost to Evan L. if someone else were her partner. People may disagree, but that's what I think.
I do disagree. I was Team Erin & Maks that season but really thought Evan would walk away with it. His weak freestyle did him in. But even without it, I think NIcole was just that good and back then people weren't over the ringers like they are now.
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6 hours ago, crossover said:
Maybe they knew 2 or 3 weeks ago that Rashad would go on tour?
I don't think the celebrity going on tour necessarily had to win, just make the finals. Alex Skarlatos went on tour and he didn't win.
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15 minutes ago, voiceover said:
No offense, but this sort of reax shows up every season a pro athlete (male) contends.
As if baseball fans would vote for someone just because he was a baseball player!! Fans support players from THEIR teams, with very few exceptions (thus David's crack about White Sox fans -- two fanbases divided by one city, and ne'er the twain shall meet). Ranger fans wouldn't vote for an Astro, Jets fans wouldn't vote for a Giant, and no other fan base would vote for a Yankee (or Patriot).
And the Venn diagram that shows "football fans" and "Watches DWTS" has a pretty small intersection.
As a baseball fan I totally disagree. Being David was the first MLB player to appear on the show, I think most baseball fans were voting for him, regardless of team affiliation or loyalty.
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11 minutes ago, howmanywords said:
Its pretty apparent some of the big "Harmonizers" have never, ever watched a single episode of DWTS. Some of the comments I'm seeing on Twitter is making me roll my eyes. I especially love the ones saying the show will now get canceled or that they won't be able to hire any stars because EVERYONE is so devastated about "Mani" losing. Newsflash: DWTS has seen losses even more shocking over the years and the show has continued to chug right along.
I think you run into this every season.....though from what I've seen Normani's fans seem to be more hysterical than most other fan bases.
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28 minutes ago, breezy424 said:
Emma has been far down the totem pole for the most part in getting great dancers. So, I get her comment. I didn't find it obnoxious at all. However, TPTB love the love story with her and Sasha, so the star is rising.
I think this is the story they thought they'd play out with Maks and Peta when they agreed to come back. But I suspect that, like me, the oversaturation of them by the show and the tabloids has just worn people out on them.
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15 minutes ago, PBGamer89 said:
This isn't a woman hating show, but this was a woman hating season.
Heather- 8th
Nancy- 6th
Simone-4th
Normani- 3rd
How about all the seasons two women were the last two standing? Are those conveniently forgotten?
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31 minutes ago, sab85 said:
Krisite Alley was a runner-up.
Ugh, please don't remind us! LOL
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In The Media: DWTS
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I was a bit surprised none of Maks's former partners showed up. Amber gave an interview about a week ago and said she was going but she wasn't there. I thought maybe Meryl or Heather would go. I figured Erin wouldn't because of their past relationship, same reason I figured he wasn't at hers a few weeks ago.