Lucelu

I assumed the saddest bar in sadtown was a private club thus theoretically smoking could be allowed.

How often is RHOC filmed- and for how long? I thought in the last episode (or one before it) they talked about Brooks getting chemo and being pretty ill -- the worst of the nausea etc. while Vicky was away. I feel that Brooks has a right to keep the fine details of his cancer treatment private unless he has a contract specifying otherwise with Bravo. I actually have a friend who had ductal breast cancer and put herself in remission using alternate health interventions. She went on an all vegetarian diet and cut out sugars and lost about 45 lbs. For a while we were all concerned because she looked gaunt. She also had a very involved schedule of exercise (for her lymphatics...), herbs, supplements, and went often for many different treatments that honestly I thought some were questionable and some of them she even said... "even it it does nothing- it puts me in my happy place." The biggest thing she did was divorce her husband. Eventually she had to go for Zometa infusions and take hormone pills because her tumor had hormonal receptors and that is what finally did it. However I fear it will come back because that is the nature of breast cancer. Anyway, she used Bach remedies too -- I don't know about coffee enemas... but I wouldn't put it past her. Although all that roughage with her veggie diet--I don't think she needed any enemas. Her trouble was finding a medical doctor who was willing to work with her on the alternative side of things. She finally did find one but it wasn't til the end when she fractured a bone after a slip on the ice. Expense wise, I think that it really added up but was nothing compared to traditional chemotherapy and supportive therapy cost. Not everyone who needs chemotherapy can get it if they don't have adequate insurance coverage.

Heather's leaving the show? That is disappointing but understandable. I kind of bummed. She was one of the only normal people on it. I mean-- she had an intact marriage, an interesting and successful job, children, no obvious mental illness, physically fit and looked like a person of her generation --not lots of dermo /surgical stuff happening, appeared to be capable of maintaining close relationships, did not have a borderline personality, was not afraid to stand her ground and did not allow herself to be intimidated, she had a sense of humor and was also very nurturing and kind to people. She's someone I would want to befriend. But I can understand. The bitches there treated her like shit. I guess the money is not worth the time and energy up against the important things in her life such as her family, her business and her sanity (and her real friends). I guess pool dates in the Berkshires with Dorinda this summer are out!

Luann really dug it in herself. All she had to do is apologise and say she had no idea Ramona did not send her guest home and then why not double down on Ramona? . No, instead they allow her to sleep on... She totally did not give Heather the dignity of acknowledging her fears. Giving Heather some validation that yes, it was inconsiderate to bust in at 3 am, blasting music and then not making sure their guests were escorted out at the end of the "festivities" -- or at least knocking on the door and warning them that they were going to have an overnight guest and maybe... keeping that guest on a different floor? - or at least not in someone's adjoining suite. I think there should have been some respect that not everyone leads the same kind of lifestyle Lu and Sonja do... I also think Dorinda is a total hypocrite. I can only imagine her high dudgeon if some naked man was left in her suite for her to find. She would be all "how humiliating" "how invasive" "how dare you put me in that position!" She would be off the fucking hook. The girls had no idea that the man in the room was a Ramoaner as she put it on LU (as usual). I also think her boyfriend is a pig and blaming Kristin for him humping and handsying her when all they were doing initially was dancing and insinuating Kristin would have any interest in him in some kind of sexual manner lol. That guy is gross. Just because Dorinda has low standards doesn't mean everyone else does. I realize it's hard to find a single straight successful man in NYC but come on. Josh may be a douche on camera but I bet he can manage his perineal and personal care without occupational therapy tools. That guy is a heart attack waiting to happen. Just think how the editing could have gone the other way... they could have shown the naked man with the face vaselined out and then Heather and Carole naked in the next room and made it look as if they were the ones bringing home unauthorized boy toys. I think production does shut down for the night and the women are left to their own after the planned scene.

Hayley will be graduating high school soon enough and will probably go away to college. For Meghan to pretend she has anything to do with "raising" her is laughable. The young woman is raised. She may be behaving pretty bratty right now but I am not going to judge because I am not facing my entire adult life without my mother. I'm pretty sure she is probably closer with her first stepmother --ya know, the one she probably grew up with and lived with when she was visiting or living with at her dad's (if her parents split custody).

Maybe Brooks had other things going on as well. Remember, this guy is getting chemo, getting blood drawn-might have blood counts that need to be monitored and could be at risk for infection. Also, I don't think I would wish to be where there was negative energy and feelings towards me personally when I was trying to recover from something like cancer. If Brooks and Vicky's mother were not close or even friendly, the other family members might be offended he was there as well. Vicky had her siblings and daughter there and I think they supported each other.

Sonja's bullshit (blaming Heather?) almost sounds like she is siding with the Luann/Dorinda/Ramona group. Otherwise she would be blaming Luann. This kind of mean girl bullshit is what keeps anyone wanting to be actual friends with her. She cannot be genuine, she is a conniving calculating piece of work. I don't care who apologises... the viewers see what they see and that is the Hot Trainwreck Sonja Morgan is when she goes out. She is not just over-served, she is practically two steps from the drunk tank. If I were Heather, I'd stop trying to protect these people from themselves- take pics with your phone instead and tweet them to the general public with lots of 4 letter words.

TBH, I can't imagine Bethenny had 9 books worth of information and experiences that I would want to read. Unless she is writing a romance/sci fi/mystery series a la Game of Thrones, Dune, Outlander, or Stephanie Plum.... I have no interest. The latest one is a head-scratcher. Since I don't suck at relationships.... I can't imagine I'd want to read one about someone who does. Additionally, Ramona is such an offensive person, I feel like the time I've seen her on tv is enough to know about the RamonaCoaster. I've never read Carole's books either. Heather hasn't written a book but I'd would read a magazine article around the length of say... a Rolling Stones feature or Sunday Times feature about the Yummie Tummie - Spanx fight.

Dorinda went on and on about how her mother raised her and she was hip deep with Luann on sanctioning Heather irt to Ella and in one respect, as Heather was pointing out - inferring her upbringing was suspect etc. She just opened the door wide open. No special immunity when she has a house made of glass. Heather held her own and if Dorinda can't stand the heat, maybe she should lay off the dirty martini's or grow a thicker skin. She is no longer the rational observer. We have all seen her daughter. Who is not leading a productive life of service or sharing her talents with the world... no, she is laying around shopping and partying.

I wonder if that strategy will work at my next job.... I'll just start ripping into one of the women there over something totally stupid and never let up. Even after she apologises... I'll just turn my nose up at it and dig in. For some reason I don't believe this strategy is contained in Dale Carnegie's How To Win Friends and Influence People... a book that I believe is required reading for every sales representative.

Luann the hall monitor... handing out demerits for f-bombs, phone checks, over-imbibing, flirting, dating the help... but she is the bold one risking herpes and bringing random hookups home.

I really think painting Heather at fault in that dinner scene in any way is really reaching. Ramona, Luann and Dorinda were absolutely ganging up on her and being drunken jerks.Trying to have a rational discussion with any of them was futile. Dorinda descends into an incoherent rage whenever she hits a certain blood alcohol level. That lady has some serious anger issues. This whole "how dare you humiliate me?" Shit is like seriously? Who the hell are you? Frankly, I feel kind of let down by Luann joining Team Ramona. I am surprised that Sonja was the rational one.

I would be highly peeved if a friend of mine brought home some strange rando to get her freak on-- get a hotel room. These women are monied, they can afford to rent a room for a few hours.

I feel like I have to watch this again. I felt Dorinda and Luann were totally out of line... Well, actually Ramona started it-- this woman is a piece of work. She has the most offensive behavior. Then Luann jumps on the bandwagon and they are scolding Heather? Dorinda is such a drunken mess. Even with her insults and poutrage... Heather still feels bad for her because she is such a hot mess express and looks to talk to her privately and help her. Kristen and Sonja were just flabbergasted. Ramona feeling entitled to be a boorish slutbomb.... with the "slut-shame apology" to Carole-- I don't think anyone is jealous of that train wreck. Carole is right -- it isn't so much about age, Ramona has no game-- she reverts to what may have worked in the 80's while she pushes her new boobies in everyone's face. Acting like GirlsGoneWild out on Spring break really does not become any of these ladies. I guess I have to say, it makes them look so desperate. Andy said he had 10 hours today of filming RHONY's reunion. I hope he is drinking something very strong now.

I just feel compelled to say this. When we lose our parents and in a majority of cases, our mothers, there is that feeling that no one will love you like that again. I just want to say that is not true. You can love yourself like that. You can also give love to others like that and it will return threefold. If you have children, you do have love like that. The fact that you had a parent that loved you like that does not mean that love has gone away-- it still exists within you. When you give love to others it also increases your capacity to give more so at some point, you will see that reflecting all the people you meet as like attracts like. That is the basis of many faiths and spiritual journeys. As in Yoga people say Namaste which is like saying I love you but instead says the love in me recognizes the love in you-- or the divine in me sees the divine in you-- as most all faith traditions believe that God/Divine/Universal force = Love but Namaste is a salutation in respect of that divine/love. I grew up in the Catholic Church an we always say to our neighbors in Mass- Peace be with you, and we all lift up our hearts. It is not just ritual and coincidence, words have meanings. The Mother is also venerated (Mary-- the Rosary) as that is such a personal experience of love that is universal. I often feel that grief is such a real physical sensation of loss. It is so strong it can keep us in the past or closed off because it is painful. But it does not have to be like that. That energy of self protection can be turned outwards to others - and it brings good things to your life, to love. Sorry to be off topic.

My husband was all.... "who is he going to happy hour with?" I was like... I don't know, maybe some other retired ball players? Heather getting the growth taken off-- I think that has to be a perk of having a plastic surgeon for a husband. But I don't think I'd want it filmed. She could be way more obnoxious about his business... like that woman on RHOM who was writing a book full of task lists for house staff and nannies so the Lady of the Manor has time for everything in her life. I can't remember her name but she was a delusional nasty piece of work. So next to her, Heather is doing great-- I liked the hair salon scene with her kids. They felt like such big deals there. She was also pretty honest about Terry's celebrity career which was kind of funny... Mr. DeMille, I'm ready for my close up! I feel like this attitude is something that Terry has much in common with Ramona of RHoNY. She was also very good about calling Brooks (who I don't hate, I feel sorry for-- he has obvs lost weight) when Vicki was grief-ing. The scene with the woo woo naturopath... I think Vicki thought it was ridiculous but was willing to work it to support Brooks and that I think was admirable for a personality that is characterized as having its own gravitational pull.

My dad (69 y/o) died of lung cancer as I sat next to him 9 years ago. He was on hospice. It was not a shock to me and I just felt really really sad- I knew what the end result needed to be and he had suffered so much. I work in healthcare and had worked in the oncology specialty and had my share of end of life patients. Death is a part of life that our society seems to be insulated from so it is quite an emotional shock for most people. Now I work in cardiology and people do die suddenly sometimes and I have witnessed people react like Vicki... actually even louder and longer in some cases. People vary in their reactions to grief and some cultures are much more demonstrative than others as well. While it may be hard for people's emotional mind to grasp the concept of a life span -- no matter how great someone looks and functions- they are still 80-90 something on the inside. Any age over 80, people are living on borrowed time so treasure that --it is a bonus. My Mom is in her 70s and is at end-stage COPD. One acute respiratory episode can send her over the edge. We know this. But she is also my best friend and it will take a long time to process my grief when she goes. I already grieve for the person she was because now she is so limited and is pretty much room bound, can't do much of anything anymore. I have seen a lot of dead people and when their spirit is gone, it is gone, there is no waking them up. They are almost unrecognizable without that soul in there. Who ever said the body is the house for the soul was absolutely correct. My heart goes out for Vicki and her family. That said, Meghan is stupidly immature.That is why they harp on her age---giving her an out in one respect. She would probably be just as passive aggressively bitchy at any age. And why wouldn't Shannon have wine for her event if she thought she was going to it? David speaking to Shannon about that girl on the beach she knew-- I feel like he said it to her because he does not want any misunderstanding and wishes to keep everything out there. I didn't know if he felt his interaction with the woman was weird because he thought she knew that David had cheated on her friend (ie. Shannon had confided in her) or if it was weird because the woman was hitting on him or what. That was an odd exchange. My husband watched that with me and and her conversation with her friend about how she was feeling about it and wanting to keep her panic from David-- worried that he will feel like she was hounding him and may never forgive him if she brings it up... and he said "He cheats and she is blaming herself." So it isn't just me that sees that the victim blaming, while a artifice of editing might make viewers feel she nagged him into someone else's arms, it is not a figment of the viewer's imagination that she carries with her the responsibility of keeping her family together and that is a tall order for just one person to shoulder. However, she feels like this forgiving the affair is a process she must get through and is confident she can do this and so long as David holds up his end ie. cuts off all ties and interaction with the woman he had the affair with-- their marriage can endure.

If my husband's behavior while drinking tequila or any other spirits lent itself to yelling inappropriate and rude things at my coworker at a family-centered event, I would probably give him a hard time about drinking too much at social events too. Especially since that behavior seemed to be the basis of a huge grudge later on.

I also keep in mind the show is edited to show a narrative about a housewife. I doubt Shannon is always nagging David. We don't see many interactions initiated by him either. I do have a problem with victim blaming- Shannon did not deserve to be cheated on. We don't see the tense moments/bickering between Heather and Terry (other than Heather saying he is working tons-- which means he must never be home when anyone is awake). Nor do we see them between Tamra and Eddie (and don't tell me anyone believes it is honey and sugar in that house every day).

My phone is linked to my car via bluetooth. Sometimes when I'm driving I pick up calls that I ordinarily wouldn't from reflex... and I don't really know how to send it to voicemail via my steering wheel. Once I realize I am kind of rude. I say- "I'm driving and can't talk now." and hang up.

It's really hard to judge the reactions Shannon was having with Meghan during the phone shaming exchange at the Bella's home reception. It was so heavily edited. However from articles on websites like Reality Tea, Shannon does explain that it went for much longer and Meghan was pretty long winded- ie. the "not famous" line and I understand Shannon's point. Meghan misrepresented herself when she called her. She seems to think the celebrity love and worship of her husband has the same weight in the OC as it does in St. Louis. I'm sure she was entirely perplexed that Shannon didn't fall to her feet begging for forgiveness. This whole "you would have been nicer if you know I was Meghan King Edmonds? -ie. married to a retired ball player.... indicates she not only feels the status entitlement-- she also likes to rub people's face in it-- kind of like Julia Roberts in Pretty Women at the snooty boutique and wanted to out Shannon as not only uncharitable but also as a snob. Shannon claims she premeditated this to create drama/storyline for herself at Shannon's expense after a day they all spent together as a group and they both had already talked about the charity event with Shannon giving her advice and encouraging her. Shannon was not going to play into it - I think that look she gave her when Meghan started in was a "are you fucking kidding me?" look and tried to get away from the non-controversy. She even just tried to put the whole thing behind her afterwards and was not going to let it affect her going to the charity until Tamra let her know that Meghan basically disinvited her to it. Shannon was pretty incredulous at first but then rolled with it.

I doubt Brooks is faking his cancer. I'm sure that Vicky has gone with him to consults. Plus the infusion chair is hard to fake as well. I have worked in medical oncology and no one would subject themselves to that if they didn't have to -- and it is extremely expensive. Not all cancer patients want to be around people after chemo. Many want to be left alone and don't want someone pushing food on them.. in fact, cooking smells can be a trigger for vomiting. It is an ordeal to get through. It is helpful though to have someone you can call that can take you to the ED if you start running a fever or if the nausea and vomiting is uncontrolled.

Yes, I'm sure it has her name on the deed but I bet not the mortgage. She may have been making great money for the Midwest but this is the OC and I'm sure that her salary could have bought her a house but not one over 2000 sq ft with a mortgage she could pay with 1/4 annual income (or monthly mortgage she could cover with one week's pay). At any rate she isn't working now so has no income thus would not qualify for a loan. She is really immature. I mean, just own it like you set out to do in your introduction. For two newlyweds, they don't seem to have much chemistry. I think the 17 year old stepdaughter is being raised by her mother btw. She is adorable and the ex-wife was quite discreet and classy in that small vignette at the party. The one thing I don't get is the skewed sense of time these individuals have. Unless Jim was carrying on a very long extramarital affair with Meghan, they could not have known each other very long before he married her.

What else could Shannon possibly say to Meghan at that party to get the talons retracted and the hair down on the neck? Holy Chip on your shoulder Batman, they just met! If I had a private phone, for sure I would not be responding to any calls or texts on it from whom I personally did not give that number. Then I would be changing that number. At that point Mrs. Edmonds had been Mrs. Edmonds for 2-- maybe 3 months? Had she even seen the OC house yet to get an idea of the space for the party? I would not be handing my charity contact list to some young Not a Stay at Home Mom from St. Louis (she is not a Mom, she is a 3rd trophy wife who has staff to handle all the things she can't like dirty glassware, telephone calls to vendors, coordinating housekeeping staff, meals, emailing the nanny to show up with kids for photo ops...). She is the expensive housecat. Did she even get a vote on the new house the husband just signed an escrow agreement on? Or did he show up at breakfast with the portfolio and copy of the contract?

Who knows, maybe Vicki and Shannon discussed this addition to the cast before the phone call and decided they would not be well-wishers. Anything is possible behind the fourth wall.