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I got the feeling she wanted to do something else than sitting in her window or drinking martinis. I don't think she actually cared about Gary either though. That was long overdue. Especially since Geordie already told her she couldn't keep on coming back to Sidney (not that he knows that). Margaret behaved immaturely. It seemed as if she couldn't manage to think objectively when it came to Geordie's involvement. What ticks me off about this show writing characters like Margaret and Amanda is that the writer is actually a woman. If that's the kind of women she knows, I'm really sorry for her. Leonard stumbling over his words and Mrs. M not being able to handle a compliment was adorable. If one is allowed to use that word in regards to Mrs. M without her unleashing her wrath ;-) Phil really got away with 'he's a copper'?! And Sidney had to blackmail him into getting what he needed to clear Geordie. I think that was the framing. The DVD was in my mailbox on the weekend and they showed a part of the fight choreography. Funnily, when I first saw the ep I thought the second punch looked way too far off and in the bonus features they show James Norton saying the same thing and the director saying it's fine. I think Geordie was shocked. Somehow I knew the petition wouldn't save gary, but it was still hard to watch. Good that they didn't go the usual TV show route of saving him last second though. I also liked that they showed that you don't watch an execution and get away unscathed. I really would have liked Sidney to ask Geordie if he had ever been to one, since he's such a staunch supporter of the death penalty, but apparently I'm more interested in the answer than Sidney is. Daniel is the photographer who made the pictures of Abigail. He was a suspect in her murder because Geordie thought he had seduced Abby until Leonard hinted at Daniel not having any 'ladyfriends' since getting divorced. Jack is probably the only man in Grantchester who can keep Mrs. M on her toes. So do I, but I think her saying she's already had one adultering, whiskey-swilling man in her husband might have put an end to that. Cathy broke my heart. Watching the deleted scenes on the DVD, it's a pity they got rid of the domestic scenes between Geordie and Cathy where she's really funny. As squirrelly as Geordie was acting, I seriously doubt it was just a kiss. I do too, it makes them more real as if they were just happily solving crime after crime. The hanging storyline was hard to watch, but I actually like shows and movies that make me uncomfortable instead of just running along. He does have that already though, doesn't he? Sidney told him he didn't have to tell him everything but if the wanted to, he'd be there for him when Leonard mentioned he didn't really go to the library and Sidney knew very well he didn't. I also hope he took the 'take a friend to dinner' as 'take your special friend to dinner' but didn't yet dare act on it. I really didn't care about the case either except for them putting the blame on Geordie. It's really weird they chose to accuse Sidney of molesting a girl and Geordie killing a prisoner in one season though. I kept thinking 'shut up, Geordie' during the scene in the church. If he just had stopped at asking Sidney about being at the hanging, they could have gone for pints and backgammon. Unfortunately a lot of people really are like that and don't know when to let a topic rest of someone in peace when the last thing they need is to talk about something that bothers them, but I was cringing.

As Broderbits said, that was a different woman. But Guy did get worryingly handsy with her at Jennifer's party and I didn't like Amanda's look when he put her in the car and wandered off with Sidney to punch him. She didn't doubt Geordie for a second when he told her about it and there's also something she says in the last ep of the season that leads me to believe Guy is one to easily fly off the handle in general. I hope he never really hit her though.

I thought she forgot she was still wearing the towel after having a shower. Not a very classy outfit. I suspect her mom isn't a surrogate but might have been in a relationship with one of the dads. A co-worker of mine got married to a man recently and has three kids from his first marriage. Absolutely. She needs to work without a safety-net for some time. Of course it's hard to walk around with the boot, but if I remember correctly, she got it by getting drunk off her backside while in a competition. You just cracked me up. That was interesting in the school episode as well though. She flirted with the students and they flirted back, but still voted her dish the least appealing. I loved that they didn't let her distract them from the actual food. Except the chefs in about every other kitchen ;-) My type of school included culinary school (we have a weird educational system where I'm from) and we had to work in hotels for three months between two grades. Let me tell you, Ramsay is a pussycat compared the chef there. Thankfully, I got the chance to save the pastry chef's arse after which he requested me full time. The head chef didn't care about patisserie, so no more getting yelled at for me. That could backfire though. You said it yourself, Ramsay has already chosen at that stage, so why say or do something that might influence his decision when it comes to picking a winner in the finale? He might have seen that as choosing the weaker competition instead of rising to the challenge. The man's a triathlete, so I doubt he's looking for employees looking for the path of least resistance.

Apparently the first series was shot March to June and the second one in the fall, so you could be on to something.

I don't think this has been mentioned yet, but I find it interesting that Amanda changes her hair depending on where she is. When she is at home, she has this severe, combed back lady of the manor hairstyle that ages her; in Grantchester, there are no pins and her hair is just parted at the side and curled at the ends like in series 1. It's like an extreme version of her mentioning the different colours of clothes she uses for city and countryside in series one. Seems a bit of wanting both worlds as well.

I'm not a fan of Amanda's either, but the way Guy treats her (at Jennifer's party for example) doesn't sit right with me. He also seems to order her around and not pay her much attention otherwise. Of course, Amanda shouldn't have accepted his proposal from the start. As Sidney said when he tried to invoke his veto, love should be a prerequisite. I don't know what she expected from a marriage of convenience to get her father off her back. Still miffed they never adressed why she didn't keep her job after all. Did Guy change his mind about 'letting' her work after the wedding or was it her choice?

I didn't realise the series was a Warner Bros. production. That explains them bolloxing it up actually. Ellis and everyone else on the track doing it for free wouldn't change a thing regarding the rights and royalties questions. Looks as if the production company was too short sighted to take things like having a lead who can hold a tune and the audience wanting to get their hands on a recording into the equation. Of course using the song in an episode is subject to clearance, but I'm pretty sure there are people at Warner Bros. Records who could have helped them requring all rights needed without breaking the bank if the music departement of the show lacks the experience or time. I'm starting to feel as if 'licensing rights' is used as an excuse for everything someone can't be arsed to clear or release. I worked for a major label for a decade, most of this time handling licensing of the artists on my roster's work as well as their marketing and while sometimes it is hard or impossible to aquire or give rights for certain tracks, licensing a track for use in the show but blocking for release doesn't sound right to me.

Have the copyright laws been changed since I stopped working in the music industry? Since when does one need to spend money to cover a song? If they change the lyrics, they need approval from the author/rights holder. If they keep the original lyrics, they just need to credit properly and the authors get the royalties. Just seperate it from the show by getting Ellis a one track record deal and make an amendment to his Lucifer contract regarding the percentage of artist royalties he has to pay to the production company. Which, let's be honest won't be much as cover versions are usually not very profitable for the performer. Which is why Elvis always insisted on buying the rights to the songs he covered - and why Dolly Parton told him to get lost when he wanted to have I Will Always Love You. Smart Woman.

- Hell's Bells by AC/DC - The Devil You Know - Econoline Crush - Better the Devil You Know - Kylie Minogue (for comedic value) - Satan's Bed - Pearl Jam - The Devil in her Heart - The Beatles - (You're the) Devil in Disguise - Elvis Presley - The Silver Tongued Devil and I - Kris Kristofferson - To Beat the Devil - Kris Kristofferson Margherita, if they used Sarah McLachlan's Angel, that would be most depressing ep ever considering the subject matter of the song. They could probably pull it off though.

I agree. I'm wondering if this is going to be even more so from now on after Damien rejected his friends or if they are going to be built up as the 'good' side of things with their research and get more to do. If they wanted us to root against him, they were doing just fine until they decided to humanise him by having a child and an apparently very caring partner who will be affected if something happens to him. He's also not nearly likeable enough to root for him as the good one in the equation. Quo vadis, show?

Thanks for that, I was wondering what the dickens he was doing with what was left of the pram and couldn't figure it out. I don't know much about the rules in the CoE, but where I'm from, this only concerns confession, not conversations. Especially if clergymen have to testify at court. The clip is blocked for me, but the last pic in the slideshow is killing me. I only have a 'holidays and every other weekend' dog (my mother's fox terror, ahem terrier), but thankfully we have a lot of dogs running around the office. Yes, there definitely were. I just watched a documentary on the BBC iPlayer last week. It's the first in a series called The people's history of pop and was about 'the birth of the fan' (presented by Twiggy). There was a beatnik who described how you became one - and squeezed into his old outfits. If you can get your hands on it, it's quite funny.

The 'shouldn't you be blond' cracked me up. That also tied in nicely with Lucifer's free will speech to his supposed followers. How true! I really hope Malcolm doesn't survive this season. He was actually fun this episode, but he's defintely not someone I'd want to keep hanging around for longer than necessary. His face did get one hell of a workout this episode, there was quite some range involved. I'm disappointed Lucifer doesn't like Goat's cheese, he's supposed to be a man of wealth and taste ;-) But all the goat-stuff, the blind followers who probably think they are soooo different and individual from everyone else (loved the 'he's the best Lucifer we've had in years') and him being all riled up about the stuff being done in his name were hilarious. And also really well handled in the scenes where it hit too close to home for Lucifer. I'd actually prefer if they stuck to the 13 episodes and did it properly. Too many shows have been messed up by watered down storylines because the networks just see the advertising revenue (that would last longer if they didn't kill their shows within two seasons). That had me cackling too. So should we conclude that writing such a text message isn't out of character for Dan? I guess he also had a brilliant explanation for being busted up that his wife how knows him well immedately bought. Also, Chloe, you're still married, refusing to talk isn't helping, even if you don't want to reconcile.

I'm afraid it's your TV, it's the same dog who is apparently even called Dickens in real life.

When Geordie insisted Gary was guitly because he had a relationship with Abby and wanted to get rid of the baby, Sidney replied it wasn't Gary's baby and Geordie said they didn't know that and that she was with Sam didn't mean she didn't sleep with Gary as well. The trial takes place in Cambridge which had a population of about 120k in 1950. It would be surprising if there happened to be parishioners from Hardwick in the room instead of working back home. Parishioners can be weird. When the priest in my mother's village bought a motorbike, everyone was aghast. The fact that he has an affair with a married woman, refuses to allow cremation and is a grade A ****** that no one would ever turn to in times of need is being taken for granted. Him listening to jazz would be a scandal too though, even now ;-) There was a shot of the jurors (Brits, please help me out here if that's not what they were called) looking at each other with raised eyebrows when Sidney said Milbourne was the father and former vicar of Hardwick. The crown was out for a conviction, so he couldn't have cared less what was going on before Abby's death and ridiculed the accusation. I would hope if Milbourne had not been hidden away by the church, he would have been treated accordingly, not just as a distraction created by Sidney in order to save Gary like in the trial. That said, continuation or consistency have never been the show's strongest suit. Sidney acted as if he hadn't seen Sam in ages, but apparently they both worked with the local teenagers and according to the interwebs it takes an exhausting 7 minutes to get from Grantchester to Hardwick by bicycle. And don't even get me started on the sloppy editing that sometimes takes me out of scenes completely.

I didn't really like her that much, but her exit was how it should be done. What a nice surprise. Somehow I got the feeling, GR didn't either which was why he never bothered to remember his name.

Not that being hit on at work has stopped 60 years later... That's why I said Sidney should have explained the rules of not being a saint/still being a vicar after the wall-smooch. He doesn't seem to be too good with his words when it comes to women though. Margaret apparently not thinking about it afterwards, but moving on to the next target doesn't endear her to me either. Sidney introducing her to his sister should have meant more than christening the couch. That line was brilliant. Such an unexpected punch to the emotional equivalent of the solar plexus. Actually I thought the execution story was handled pretty well in the final two eps of the series, so hold on. Amanda's need for attention was so childish during the party. She doesn't seem to get much from Guy except for when he happens to be jealous, but that's not Margaret's fault. Geordie also doesn't seem to believe that Gary and Abigail didn't have sex. He still maintains it could be Gary's baby. While I understand him being disgusted by Gary holding her down so hard ne nearly broke her collarbone (something Geordie states several times), he absolutely didn't listen to people who knew the both of them including Sidney. I don't get how someone who was preaching (sorry) that policemen needed to have an open mind to all possibilities in an investigation just blatantly disregards Abigail's diary and what she wrote about Milbourne in order for someone being held responsible for her death. My question was in reply to someone suggesting she could try to become one. She is a secretary and I don't think she would make a good policewoman, but what I meant with the question was that I didn't think she'd actually get to solve any crimes even if she made the change. Couldn't agree more. I live in a mainly Catholic country where priests aren't allowed to marry. That's why they all used to have 'cooks' and everybody knew it. The priest in the village my mother lives in employs a married woman who cleans his flat twice a week. There have long been rumours his flat wasn't the only thing she polished until she once opened his door wearing his robe and thereby confirmed it. My grandmother's story is actually similar to Abby's. We don't know the exact goings-on since we only found out after she had died, but when she was 15, she had a son (whom she gave up) by the local priest and according to her sister, it didn't have any consequences whatsoever even though everyone knew. That was in the 1930s.

I was waiting for that to happen and got rather impatient, but this ep was good.

Leave it to Leonard to bet on a horse called Devil's Banquet, immediately feel guilty and kind of solve the mystery in one go. Too bad I knew Laszlo was involved from the start. You don't cast Elliot Levy to stand smiling in the background. I think Sidney just wanted the dying (and taking revenge) to stop; you hit the nail on the head with 'tired'. The only downside is that we never learned if Geordie figured it out as well or if Laszlo got away with it. I was glad to see her again too, but no mention of Johnny? On one hand, her being upset is understandable, but on the other, what did she think was going to happen when she started going out with a vicar? Maybe Sidney should have spelled out the rules for her after last episode's final scene. The women they write as Sidney's love interests make me want to bash my head agains the table. Amanda doesn't know what she wants (probably always what she doesn't have at that point), Margaret doesn't care he's a vicar and has to adhere to certain rules and also doesn't get when to back off for a minute. Hildegard would have been good for him, but I understand her running for the hills after his confession about Gloria. I didn't see any relief, but the end of that scene bugged me to no end. What kind of soap opera direction/camera work was that? He was desperate, but that was still a low blow and he knew it. After all, he told Amanda he burned all bridges for naught. There's not enough Jenny in this show. I was wondering about Johnny as well. Maybe the actor wasn't available or it was a budgetary issue. They could at least have mentioned him being unable to leave the club for one evening to put my mind at ease about the one functional(ish) couple on the show. They never mentioned someone being possessed, but the new Mrs. Lawson was so bugged out by the housekeeper keeping the house as Anna wanted it, I wouldn't have put it past her to say she was posessed by the former Mrs. Lawson ;-) Does anyone know how far policewomen could go back then? I doubt Margaret would ever have had a chance to become a detective. Her inability to judge people's emotions correctly and respond accordingly wouldn't help during interviews either.

I had an inkling towards Amenadiel not being able to contain himself one of these days as well. I definitely think they could physically kill humans, especially if he said 'allowed' not 'unable' or 'can't'. That line actually raised another question for me: is Lucifer technically still an angel and therefore not allowed to kill humans either or did becoming the devil void that clause? And what would his punishment be considering he considers his pre-vacation job the worst already? He could be forced to wear shorts and brightly patterned t-shirts for eternity, but other than that...

I don't think he did; his behaviour after waking up at the jazz singer's (Gloria?) place - for which he really should have apologized IMO - insinuates that it was before his ordination. That also correlates with him telling Phil he was allowed to have sex once he was married when he was teasing him in regards to his relationship with Margaret. Amanda and Sidney ran into each other when he was already a vicar and seem to have been only very distantly aquainted through Jennifer in their school days. Leonard is brilliant.

They could explore the concept of regret (Lucifer) and culpability (Amenadude) via Lucifer killing Malcolm. Sorry, wishful thinking... I agree. So how do you think they are going to handle this new knowledge of Lucifer's? 'Detective, could you please leave the premises so I can talk to this armed gentleman without getting killed'?

No biggie! Considering how many versions of my first name are out there that differ by just one letter, I'm sure there's a lot of Hildegardes out there as well ;-) If they are German or Austrian they would be pronounced Hildegardeh then. Mine as well, even though the actress irked me. That could just be my personal problem after all. She's the only one who seems to get what Sidney's actual job is and knows how to talk to his parishioners. The way she managed to get Mrs. M onto her side could only have been topped by Dickens refusing to let her leave ;-) I can relate to Amanda in regards to her being a free spirit, not in terms of nevertheless letting herself getting reigned in by the men in her life but then not dealing with the consequences. But then again, I would never try to get into a vicar's pants (the whole agnostic thing might be an issue). Margaret is great to watch for a time, but while her teasing of Mrs. M is funny to us viewers, I get why she considers it disrespectful. I've seen the entire season and

They handled that weirdly. It's like once Sidney told Geordie about the guy he had to kill, it was fine. Now there's something new to lose sleep over (Gary's trial), but for some reason it doesn't connect except for one stray line by Geordie. Unfortunately, not everyone does. A guy actually tried to pick me up with the line 'I want to be your Romeo' once. His face when I told him that a) I'm waaaay to old to be Juliet and b) I wasn't willing to kill myself after he had killed himself for thinking I was dead, was priceless. The friend I was with didn't stop laughing for minutes. So, maybe we should check if the writers have done their Shakespearean homework ;-)

I was surprised about that because of something that happened in an earlier episode when Maze and Amenadude fought at Lux. I can't remember what it was exactly she said, but she followed it up with a pointed downwards-look. On the other hand, technically Lucifer shouldn't have been 'equipped' either if the angels in this universe were Dogma-Metadrons. As funny and charming as he can be, Amenadude already showed that he would do a lot to get out of hell-duty. He's not a good 'person', so I really don't want him to meet Trixie. He seems to regard humans as dispensible after all. That was hilarious. Lines like that one are what makes this show so much fun.

I know the show is pushing for Amanda and Sidney, but I still don't think she'd actually want to be a vicar's wife with all it entails. They would have been better off as best friend's without all the drama. I liked Hildegard (there's no 'e' at the end btw as in the thread title), but the actress irked me a bit. She was fine in small doses.