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I wonder how restraining orders are being enforced during The Plague? Maybe law enforcement is more stringent since we should all be social distancing anyway, or because RO "victims" are even more vulnerable now, when their "victimizers" might show up just to talk, but end up infecting them with a deadly virus. Or maybe they're being less stringent because we all need a little love about now and some people take out RO's against the ones they love... well, just because. Has Kail tweeted about it?

I think part of the issue with the Houska girls' lack of ambition and achievement is that the family generally considered getting married young and raising a family to be a good enough ambition for women. I think Randy is smart and he's technically "highly educated," but, culturally, I don't think he's all that intellectual, Chelsea's mom even less so. I would assume that they would have liked their daughters to go to college, at least to get MRS degrees, but as long as they found nice, reasonably successful guys to marry it wouldn't really matter. They probably would have more of a problem with a daughter who wanted to pursue a high-powered career in a big city than with a daughter like Chelsea.

I think it's just a coincidence that Chelsea grew up in a 6-figure home or lives in a 6-figure home now. If MTV/Cole had never happened, she'd most likely be a single mom struggling on (low) 5 figures from her salon job or a married mom struggling with her salon job and her husband's job (maybe just barely 6 figures combined, quite possibly mid-to high 5 figures combined). To me, there's just nothing special about Chelsea. At all. Even Kail, fucked up as she is, is more "talented." Under the right circumstances, I could see Kail excelling as a real estate agent (or whatever) because I think she is above average in terms of charisma and intelligence. I could see Chelsea being successful as a real estate agent (for example), but only if she were in a situation where she was set up really well and the market was really good. If she had to sell/rent homes in a situation that was challenging, I think she'd be overwhelmed and easily daunted and given to whining about how hard it all was and how the clients asked too many hard questions (fully expecting Cole/whoever to be like, "OMG, that sounds horrible! Are you ok? Why would they ask you all those weird questions?! What do they expect from you?!"). She's just not equipped for the real world and I think it would take some extensive conditioning for her to get equipped. In all fairness, she doesn't have to do that on her current trajectory, so I guess it's ok.

Yeah. It's kind of alarming that Kail has such a cavalier attitude about reproducing. She would have been soooooooo much better off if she had paused having kids after Lincoln for a good while. She's obviously still working through a lot of her own issues and she had a situation where her kids were gone 50% of the time, she had a ton of support with them, lots of easy money coming in, etc. She could have taken several years to get her shit together, but she's jumped headfirst into chaos, including multiple unplanned babies with a dude who seems to exacerbate her issues rather than helping. Now she's just a messy, trashy bitch posting stupid shit online while she has a restraining order against the man whose baby is inside her. I agree that Isaac and Lincoln will probably gravitate toward their dads' homes. Life with Kail will include caring for multiple younger siblings while Kail has emotional breakdowns, gets in fights with everyone, and chases after guys who treat her like shit. With the revolving door of hangers-on/childcare givers, people they get close to only to have them disappear when Kail falls out with them. There's also the aspect of how Kail will be verbally and emotionally abusive (certainly) to them and their siblings and even physically abusive (probably). All of that will get worse with each additional trap/emotional support baby, but I'm sure she'll be adding to the brood nevertheless.

Very true. I would also add Dom and her other friends whose names I can't remember to the list. And Javi's family. And her sister. And Jo's family (I wonder if she's on good terms with Junior, who used to babysit Isaac while she went to school/work?) And that's just what we've seen portrayed to some degree on the show.

Exactly. Kail admitted that she was worried that Isaac would like Jo's (close-knit) family more than her (non-existent) family. I think marrying Javi, besides being an economic move, was an attempt to create a family that could "compete" with Jo's family. That's why she moved Isaac to another state and was pissed when Jo followed them. At that time, she was planning to become well-heeled (to her, at the time) suburban housewife and to replace Jo with Javi. Then she got bored with that life/Javi and "fell head over heels" for Chris. I think she was shocked/offended that he didn't reciprocate her "deep feelings," probably feeling like he should have been honored that she was "willing to give up her marriage" (quotes because she was already checked out of the marriage and it wasn't about some earth-shattering love for Chris) for him. Plus, she was white, blonde, a TV star, a NYT best-selling author, etc., etc., ETC!!! Which part of "once in a lifetime opportunity" did he not get?!?! So then I think she got determined to "win" him and pulled out all the stops, up to and including purposely getting pregnant by him. After that, I think she just couldn't admit that she had been wrong and everyone who told her that he was a douche (meaning, she was wrong to "fall for him") made her more determined to "prove everyone wrong" by somehow "winning" him. And it's just kept escalating because Kail is crazy. What would she actually get if she "won" him? Like if he admitted they were dating, called her his gf on SM, even [swoon!], then what? He'd keep cheating on her like he did to his previous/current gf's. Obviously. He'd continue to play mind games with her. Obviously. He'd be in and out of his kids' lives as it suited him. Obviously. Kail has lied about him paying child support, paying his own way to "surprise" her on vacation in Hawaii, etc., but she knows that the truth is he hasn't paid for shit. The truth is, she's been giving him money/letting him live with her for free/buying him things/giving his family money. Does she really think that he'll suddenly get a job and start striving to be a good dad, partner, and provider? Really?!

And the craziest part is, apparently, she likes it that way. She had Javi literally risking his life for money and benefits for her and her kids and chose to throw all of that away to be one of Chris' "hos" (by her own description). It's crazy because I figured her to be way more materialistic/pragmatic. I get that she's really (really, really, really, really!!!) into Chris, but it's kind of sad that she thinks the way to cement her "relationship" with a guy she's really hot for is to have his baby. Then, if that doesn't work, to have another of his babies. I could see a girl with no education or money or life experience outside her meager existence thinking like that, but Kail doesn't really have those excuses. And the thing is, if she just wanted to fuck Chris, she could have done that (with a condom and back-up birth control!). Javi would have even taken her back afterwards (if that was what she wanted), even after she had Lux. Or she could have divorced Javi and been single and fucking Chris as much as she wanted (with a condom and back-up birth control!). But she doesn't just want to fuck Chris, she wants to turn him into the male, non-housework doing equivalent of a "ho into a housewife." She has embedded him into her kids' lives (even Leah's kids' lives!) and gone all-in for him on SM (which is, obviously, even more important). [Shaking head sadly] I admit that I'm snarking, but that stuff is serious for her. She's way quicker to introduce random people she's fucking to her kids (and even effectively move them into her house) than "responsible" parents, but still. And she's gone to the additional lengths of having a baby by Chris, taking him on family vacations, etc. She's trashy and fucked up, but I think it's fair to read those actions as her being "serious" about Chris, even while he consistently shows that he's so not "serious" about her. And she's still at it, pregnant with his second kid and making desperate gestures to get his attention (while having a restraining order against him (is that still in effect?)).

It's just so hard for me to understand how Kail sees this (on a broader scale and in 3-D) and thinks, "[Heart emojis] Isn't he the greatest?! I want to have his babies!" I mean, I can kind of get being sexually attracted to someone you know is bad for you, but totally not to the point of seriously negatively impacting your and your kids' lives. And certainly not for someone who is so CLEARLY not a good dad/stepdad/anything. At any rate, I would take this as confirmation that they are "back together." She is cussing people out online to "defend" him. He is saying she and the horse are sexy in her bestiality photo. [Heart emojis] I guess I'm just a hater for being disgusted rather than envious of their incredible, edgy love story.

Wow, Kail is so cool! She has zero fucks to give! Awesome! I don't even get how her various narratives fit together. On the one hand, Chris is supposed to be this terrible person who's put her through hell and is a shitty father. She's even alleged that he's violent or a serious danger to her in some other way. On the other hand, she got pregnant by him while she had a restraining order against him. She hasn't suggested that he raped her, though she has claimed that he impregnated her on purpose (whatever that means). She now also claims to be cool with him dating someone else and to hope their relationship goes well. And she claims to be totally cool with having a fourth kid without Chris being involved with either child (I guess). It's like, does she care about anything involving her own life (and her kids' lives)? I don't expect her to post, "OMG, I'm scared shitless! WTF have I done?! I'm about to have a baby with no support! How will this affect my kids?! How am I going to do this?!?!?," but she could act differently. Like not post any stupid nonsense about Chris online. At all. [Because she's going to therapy to figure out why she's involved herself in this toxic, destructive "relationship" and how to wean herself from her Chris addiction and she understands that posting about him isn't helpful at all.] It doesn't seem like she's doing any kind of self-reflecting or trying to make any meaningful changes in her life. She's just going to add the new baby to the brood and keep on keeping on with the "chaos." I've seen happily married/coupled people with very stable lives exhibit far more concern about how their new babies might affect their kid(s), just because it's a big adjustment for anyone to have a new baby in their family/life. But Kail is going on vacation, ignoring a global pandemic, and fighting with haters online, all with laughing emojis!

Plus, she's pregnant. You'd think she'd be concerned about how contracting the virus might affect her unborn child, since there's even less science on that than on how it can affect people who've already been born. Maybe she thinks the virus is a hoax (like vaccines). She does have that PhD in science from IG University, though, and she backs up all of her scientific theories with posts from their library.

As I vaguely recall, Kail thought the haircut was too much like the way many black/Latino guys style their hair and made a comment along the lines of, "He (Isaac) is half white, you know..."

Kail is almost 28 years old (her bday is 3/14), about to have her fourth child, a NYT bestselling author, and a college graduate, but she still feels the need to cuss out anyone who says anything negative about her baby daddy (against whom she has a restraining order)? And it's not even like the comment was that serious. I guess Chris likes it when she "defends" him? Or she hopes he'll like it? It's so bizarre. She seems to want to be taken seriously and seen as someone who is smart and accomplished, but she engages in incredibly childish and stupid behavior. All. The. Time. I would think that women who are pushing 30 and have children old enough to go online wouldn't post dumb shit like that in general, much less if they are public figures. In some ways, it's even worse than the bestiality photo. You could look at the photo as "art," whether you like it or not. Posting "fuck you" to some stranger online because she said she couldn't understand what you see in your baby daddy is just pathetic. It would be pathetic even if he were the best BD in the world, but the fact that she's always crying about what an asshole he is and how he's not going to be involved in his kids' lives (when she's not cussing people out online for saying he's not cute) makes it something 1000X sadder than pathetic that doesn't even have a name.

Not to my knowledge. I was just speculating that he will eventually have a kid with someone else. I think there was a rumor within the last several months that he knocked up some other chick, though. Not sure how that panned out.

I don't think Chris' attempt to relinquish his parental rights to Lux was a result of a thought-out decision that he didn't want kids. I think it was a super dramatic gesture in his ongoing drama with Kail. She made the super dramatic gesture of changing Lux's last name and this was his equivalent to that (whether he did it in direct response to that or not). He and Kail are very immature, selfish, and melodramatic. They will likely continue with these big, destructive gestures trying to one up each other for years to come, with neither really caring how it affects their kids. Kail will be devastated when he has a kid with one of his other hos, so I'm sure that's on the menu. And he will probably make a big show of how in love he is with Baby Mama #2, maybe get engaged to/marry her just to fuck with Kail (who will lose her shit). Kail will probably eventually find some Javiesque loser and make a big production of wanting him to adopt Chris' kids. And so on, and so on. Yawn. I would just laugh at all of it if it didn't involve innocent children.

Sad, but true. If Kail had any genuine interest in "culture," she would visit cultural/historic/educational sites in proximity to her home. I don't recall her posting pix of her taking her kids to museums, etc. near home. (Though she lives within an hour of Philadelphia, where there are many wonderful cultural/historic institutions; and within 90 minutes of DC, which, obviously, same; in addition to other similar places in the vicinity.) Kail doesn't really get why it's fun/interesting/edifying to visit different environments/countries/etc. She knows that it's "impressive" to travel to different countries, so she wants to do that and, once she's there, she tries to figure out what's supposed to be noteworthy and post IG posts of herself doing those things. I hope it's educational for her kids (and her), but I'm not super hopeful. I'm sure she puts way more emphasis on how nice the hotel/resort/pool/restaurant/amenities are than on local cultural attractions.

Exactly. But, I have to admit, the photo is a classic representation of this quality about Kail where she could/would be kind of charming (or something) because of her brazen, clueless arrogance if she weren't such a toxic person. She's kind of halfway there to be "cool" or "edgy," but she always misses the mark. Like, I think it's legitimately cool for women who aren't skinny and/or otherwise "traditionally attractive" to wear revealing/sexy clothing, pose nude, etc. with confidence. But Kail's attempts at being a bombshell are always fashion don'ts, weird nude shots, etc. And even that could be cool, but her toxicity always ruins it (at least for me). It's not like she's this cool, together chick who is kind of quirky and wears weird outfits with endearing confidence. She's posting stupid, juvenile stuff about her baby daddies online, followed by photos of her on a yacht in the Caribbean wearing some horrifying outfit. She's not in on the joke, at all. And not in a cute way, because she's so arrogant and condescending all the time, like anyone who doesn't admire her is the clueless asshole. And it's sad because she truly doesn't get that the other parents at her kids' schools will see the stupid horsey nude and be laughing at her (again, some more) behind her back (and some of their kids will see the photo too). I'm sure she'd say she doesn't care, but it's not really fair to Isaac (especially) for his classmates to be seeing/hearing about weird bestiality photos of his mom. I doubt that she gave any thought to how this photo might affect her kids. She did it for her own reason(s) (probably something to do with Chris) and if/when it's pointed out to her that it's causing negative consequences for her kids, she'll post pictures of their spelling tests and/or screeds about how much anyone who criticizes her sucks.

That's what I don't get. I guess Kail is going for, "I'm super wild, free, and unconventional! I'm very comfortable with my body and have no problem taking nude photos!" Which, fine, but a) Why does she feel the need to post her nude photos online? and b) What is the concept behind the nude with horse? To me, there's an obvious implication of bestiality. I don't think she actually had sex with the horse, but that's what it says to me conceptually. I don't get "I'm at one with nature" (especially with the snow boots) or "this is a candid snap of me being naked in an organic context." So, what's the photo supposed to be saying? Obviously, I'm overthinking this, but it's just weird. What was her thought process? She's staying on a farm or something and she thought the horse was cool/beautiful and she was like, "Hey, I want to take a nude photo with it!" Wouldn't most animal owners find it weird if guests requested to take nude photos with their animals (again, shades of bestiality)? Was she going for a Lady Godiva vibe, but she couldn't/didn't want to mount the horse for some reason? (See? "Mount," bestiality. It just can't be avoided...)

True, but I feel like that proves that Suzi made better decisions than Kail is making. Suzi evaluated her life and decided that having more kids wouldn't be a good idea (for whatever reason(s)). Kail examines her life and decides having two kids with Chris is a good idea.

Kail isn't good enough at science to understand her own reproductive health. Lincoln is the only one of her kids who was planned (allegedly); she (allegedly) believed that she was infertile and would need IVF to get pregnant again; and she (allegedly) is still susceptible to being tricked (or something) into getting pregnant (by someone she has a restraining order against, no less). She's so stupid that she literally gets her scientific "information" from IG and Twitter. And she doesn't realize how stupid that is, she brags about it thinking people will be impressed with how well-informed and thoughtful she is. In the past I thought she was one of the more intelligent TMs (though the bar is extremely low) and I would have figured she'd be one of the more "successful" (defining "success" in the barest terms) TMs 10 or 20 years from now. But now I'm just stunned by how stupid she is in terms of her life choices. She has doubled her number of kids without bringing in any additional financial, practical, or emotional support. Some people can raise a passel of kids on their own, but Kail isn't one of them. She's fortunate to have lots of support with the older two, but she's going to have a much tougher time with the younger two. They won't be gone 50%+ of the time, for starters. Once the MTV money dries up, I guess she'll either 'follow her head' and resort to having trap baby/ies with some guy(s) who can support her financially, or 'follow her heart' and have trap baby/ies with some guy(s) who really turn her on, though they treat her like crap. She doesn't have much besides her fertility going for her.

Native Delawarean here. I have to vouch that at least some schools/districts in DE are good. DE schools are certainly above average on a national scale. With that being said, I definitely went to (good) schools with some people who were "less than exceptional" in terms of academics (as well as many who were good/excellent).

What does "intentionally got her pregnant" even mean? Especially considering that she had a restraining order against him at the time. Was he somehow surreptitiously tracking her menstrual cycle, then he tricked her into letting him into her house when he knew she was ovulating, then he was like, "Kail, what's that thing behind the canisters on your counter?" and when she bent over for a closer look he stuck his dick in her? Kail honestly doesn't get that getting a restraining order against her baby daddy/"boyfriend" because she's mad at him, then inviting/allowing him to come to her house, then bending over the counter for him to fuck her doggy style without a condom or any other form of birth control makes HER straight-up trashy and stupid. Period. There's no "he admitted that he got me pregnant on purpose" (from a woman who has THREE children and has been pregnant at least FIVE times). That doesn't mitigate anything. At all. It's just an incredibly stupid thing to say that makes her look even stupider (if that's even possible). I guess I shouldn't be, but I'm blown away by how fucking moronic she is. And by the fact that BEING PREGNANT WITH HER 4TH CHILD WITH NO PARTNER doesn't seem to be sobering to her. She's like, "Fuck all you haters! My kids and I are doing great! I'm going on vacation!" What?!?!?

Even worse, I don't think she's really questioning the stupid life choice, she's just whining that the choice is hypocritical. And she's only saying that because she's mad that they're on the outs now. The next time Chris deigns to drop by for a swim in her pool and/or her lady parts, she'll probably tell him how cool the tattoo is and how good it makes her feel to know that he's reminded of their special, deep connection every time he looks in the mirror. Plus, he's marked as hers (in her deluded mind) for all the world to see. Kail would like to believe that his other hos are jealous of her for having his baby/ies because it proves how deep their connection is. In reality, I'm sure Chris laughs at Kail with whomever he's fucking at the moment (just like he used to laugh with Kail about his other "hos" (Because Kail was totally cool with him fucking around! No, really!)).

It's so bizarre that Kail thinks he's so great, impressive, even. I can understand having a strong sexual attraction to whatever random person, but it seems to go deeper than that for her. She thinks he's husband/dad/stepdad material and imagines that they could have a future as some kind of successful power couple. What?! I get that Kail comes from a very low-rent background and she's not half as sophisticated as she thinks she is, but it's shocking how clueless she is. She has gone to college and been on MTV for 10+ years, so you would think she would/could have learned something, actually quite a bit, about how the world works, how "educated, classy" people live, etc., etc. People who are actually as smart as she thinks she is manage to learn a lot about middle-class/stable/educated lifestyles with fewer opportunities and educational experiences than she's had. Part of it is that she gives herself waaaaaay too much credit for getting a bachelor's from a shitty school. Jo, Vee, and Javi (for example) don't have college degrees, but they are so much more "classy" and "sophisticated" than Kail. Even Javi. I don't think Ivy League professors and exiled European royalty would be hanging out with any of those 3, but I don't think any of them would date serve as a long-term fuck toy for someone as trashy as Chris, much less be SUPER DUPER SPRUNG on him/her for years and produce 2 kids and counting. Even Javi (though he was hung up on Kail for a while...) I get that the heart (or other body parts) wants what it wants, but what Kail doesn't get is that what makes a person "classy, smart, sophisticated, and a good mom" is that she is able to recognize that it's a problem to be hung up on a loser who treats her like shit. She saw the "problem" as figuring out a way to get Chris to "love" her the way she "loves" him. She still sees it that way. The "problem" is that Chris is such an asshole (for not loving/marrying her) and the online critics are assholes for being mean to her when she did nothing wrong. She doesn't even acknowledge how she put herself and her kids in this situation when it should have been obvious what a bad idea it all was from the start and at every juncture after that. She's so provincial that she doesn't even get that no one cares if she has tattoos/long hair/whatever (She's actually totally unedgy in most of her styling. Wear what you want, but having a bunch of ugly tattoos with a "Mom So Hard" t-shirt, ill-fitting ripped up jeans, and Barbie hair is NOT edgy or interesting. At all.). Sigh. She just bugs me. She's blown away by Chris and thinks he as an individual, and them as a "couple," are super interesting, edgy, and deep. But they live in Delaware (I'm from DE) and she's basically a fat suburban housewife, except MTV is her "husband." OK, I'll stop now.

But it's not exactly "free" when she keeps having his kids (even if he doesn't spend any money on them).

To which I would say, "Why do you keep having unprotected sex with a woman who misled you to get pregnant before, then didn't give you any say in the resulting kid's name and unfairly cut you out of that kid's life (according to you)? I would actually question why he'd have sex with her at all, but...