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Even if Gracepoint was going on and Anna was given a scene like that, they'd homogenize the language too much. The UK finally got their first look at Gracepoint last week and the viewers were upset that "Bloody Twitter" was missing from Carver's/Hardy's rant about Danny's ID being tweeted out. A lot of colour lost with those two words being edited out of the GP script. :)

The Sea Brigade Podcast for episode 6 is here. http://seabrigade.libsyn.com/podcast/the-sea-brigade-a-broadchurch-podcast-s2-e6 Some great observances and jokes. Host Emily had just binge-watched series 1 before series 2 started and she retained a lot of detail that I'd forgotten. It helps as they recap the episode.

I like that in Scotland, there's a third choice a jury can make ... "not proven". It's for the situation where the jury feels the person is guilty but the prosecution didn't prove it well, or the defense knocked too many holes of reasonable doubt into the prosecution's case. As for the Broadchurch case, Chris Chibnall, the writer, tweeted out

If that came from me, I apologize. I paraphrased what another reader wrote about Tom & Ellie before I'd read the e-book myself. The e-book never refers to Hardy as part of the reason. Only that Tom was angry at Ellie about "that Joe business" and that Ellie was counting on Joe to plead guilty to prove to Tom what the reality was. Of course, Joe the weasel didn't and Ellie's broken hearted over Tom.

Didn't you guys see Hardy take Lee's call at home? Or was that cut out of the BBC America version? Hardy had been looking at Ellie's wall of evidence. And thanks for the vote of confidence applecrisp. I'm one who loved series 2. Really loved it. Hate to see all the negative reviews.

I also see series 2 about the character arcs of Ellie and Hardy. In series 1, Hardy was already on the slide and Ellie, who started episode 1 on top of the world, plunged to the bottom by the end of episode 8. In series 2, just when we think they can't get lower, both do. But now in episode 5, Ellie is really rising like a phoenix from the ashes, becoming the detective who deserved the DI job. We just hope Hardy soon starts his rebound -- especially with his health.

The real house went up for sale in January for £275K. (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-2909648/David-Tennant-s-Broadchurch-blue-seaside-hut-goes-sale-275-000-estate-agents-hope-cash-popular-series.html) And a comment I read about it said the house floods -- often! But hey! David Tennant sat on its stoop a few times and passed out on the patio so that's worth something. LOL (Photo of the real interior: http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03161/Broadchurch-inside_3161124c.jpg) I among others wondered if the fight was staged. The timing's off. It looks like the way to/from Hardy's cottage involves walking across the field the fair is on, so it's not like he jumped out of his cabin, into a cab and was at Lee's in 3 minutes. Probably would have been at least 15. You'd expect with that much time to fight, one or the other of them would have been incapacitated, not still fighting energetically.

If you're just catching up with episode 5, don't miss the Sea Brigade podcast for this episode. It catches things you may have missed. http://seabrigade.libsyn.com/podcast/the-sea-brigade-a-broadchurch-podcast-s2-e5

Almost forgot the podcast recap for this episode by the Sea Brigade. http://seabrigade.li...h-podcast-s2-e4

Well it seems outlandish until you know someone who failed to get justice in a court case thanks to a high powered lawyer on the opposing side making exaggerated claims. It happened to a friend of mine over a property line dispute with her neighbours. You think those lawyers involved will act respectfully and effectively, but they don't. I don't have a direct reason for why Chris Chibnall has created the character of Jocelyn and then made her so ineffective aside from the parallel to Alec Hardy. Both had wonderful track records in their careers (pre-retirement for Jocelyn and pre-Sandbrook for Hardy). Both are or appear to be ailing from something that's hampering their effectiveness. Both are facing very strong opposition -- Jocelyn in the form of Sharon Bishop; Hardy in the form of Claire shifting stories in the Sandbrook case. Yes, the writing within the presentation of the court case could be better. But I think the writer was going for more than just a linear story with the court case.

Episode 4 is really where I started to see the richness of Broadchurch 2 and that it wasn't a straightforward linear story. Parallels are starting to come up between characters and between the two cases, which show us opposite sides of reasonable doubt. If you were binge-watching episodes 3 & 4 together, then in the space between the midpoint of episode 3 to the midpoint of episode 4, you'd see 1. Ellie have a one night stand 2. Hardy and Ellie get accused of having an affair 3. Hardy and Claire accused of having an affair 4. Hardy and Ellie sharing a bed but in a very non-affair like manner. The audience knows #2 is ludicrous because we saw H&E talking in s1e8 and we know where they were emotionally that night, especially Ellie. So do we automatically dismiss #3 as ludicrous too? No, we're split on whether that happened because Hardy wouldn't answer Ellie and then he pictured Claire. And we know Ellie just had an inappropriate encounter, so Hardy could be capable of it too. Well, that's reasonable doubt. The jury in the Broadchurch case don't have our knowledge of what happened onscreen for either of the characters. All they can go on is what's said in court and they'd have the same doubts about Hardy and Ellie that we have about Hardy and Claire. It's no accident these all came up in such a short space of the series. The other parallel I noticed was again Hardy not answering Ellie about the accusation he'd slept with Claire. It infers he doesn't think it's any of her business, though that will only serve to raise her suspicions. But within a few scenes after that, Cate Gillespie tells Hardy that Ricky snuck off with a bridesmaid. Then when Alec gets annoyed she didn't tell the police that the first time, she answers "What did that have to do with you?" It also echoes back to Mark refusing to admit to being with Becca when Danny was killed because he didn't see that it had any relevance to his son's murder. So there is Hardy doing the very thing with Ellie that angers him with Cate and Mark.

Awww. I like Adam Wilson. For all kids, puberty's a lottery. It's got to be horrible when you're an actor who needs to look a specific age. He lost his role as Mr Selfridge's son because he hadn't aged enough, so I'm glad for him he got to keep the role of Tom Miller. I think the audience would have complained if they'd recast Tom.

Ellie said he was 13 while she was on the stand. He should have been 12, but I'm sure they altered it to account for Adam Wilson's growth spurt. The actor is 15 or 16 now based on a video interview I saw from a few years ago.

She didn't touch Joe until he asked to see Tom. Then she lost it.

This was either the first time that the lead actor came with the series or one of the few times it's ever happened. I believe David Tennant said it was part of the appeal -- Like getting to play Hamlet in two different stage productions. Plus Gracepoint was put together pretty quickly after Broadchurch had aired and with Broadchurch 2 in the works. So the fact he had to go back to the original character immediately following the wrap on Gracepoint was unique.

I got a psychotherapist session vibe when Mark was confiding his feelings about Danny's murder to Tom in episode 2. It was a little inappropriate to put Tom in that position, but Tom seemed to be a catalyst for Mark expressing his sense of guilt over everything in a way that talking to another adult wouldn't do. And for Tom, he's lost his best friend and his dad. He's got an empty space to fill and Mark fits that for him.

No one HAS to read the books. They're for people who want a little more on each character. Certainly book 5, which is about the defense attorney, doesn't add much. And of all the bits of information we get in the books, the explanation of why Tom's mad at Ellie really belonged in the show itself, right from the start. About the wigs -- one big criticism from British fans was that the judge is wearing completely the wrong wig. LOL

What set series 1 apart from other whodunnits was we saw the effects the murder and investigation had on Danny's family, their friends and community. In this series, it's not another murder, but the court case that's affecting them. On shows like Law & Order, we don't see the impact the court case has on the victim's family, the witnesses or the family of the accused. Here we get to see that. And like someone said, a real court case is quite boring. So there's some creative license to make it more dramatic than it would really be because it makes the fall out on everyone more interesting. I've seen all of series 2. Avoiding spoilers, here's what I can say. A "possibly spoily" opinion --> Another reason to stay with it.

I'm happy to PM anyone who wants specific spoilers. Not going to put them in the forums though. I'm away for a bit, but should be back at 11:30EDT.

Yes. The soap opera look was unique to episode 3. All the other episodes were fine. There had been a glitch when the episode was streamed live on ITV player in January. I would have thought it got resolved for BBC America's broadcast, but I guess not. I'm not too worried about Chloe at this point. She's old enough not to need that much reinforcement that she's loved. She's also had 7 or 8 months of being an only child again and overly protected/controlled at times. From the moment she overheard Beth was pregnant, Chloe wanted the new baby and a new shot at some happiness in the house. As for the women watching Lee, that was a flashback to Sandbrook. They were Pippa, Lisa and Cate watching him in his back yard.

Beth's mum went by Liz. A family may have 5 Elizabeths in it, and only one is selected as a new child's namesake. It's not unusual. With regards to Ellie helping Beth. As a police officer, it's her duty to ensure someone who's in health distress gets to care safely. She also is hoping to reconcile with Beth at some point, so Ellie's going to do the right thing and stay with her till Beth has care.

Here's the link to the episode 3 podcast by the Sea Brigade. It's two Broadchurch fans recapping and discussing all they saw in the episode. I really enjoyed it. http://seabrigade.libsyn.com/podcast/the-sea-brigade-a-broadchurch-podcast-s2-e3

Nice touch Claire. Draw Ellie into telling you about the one-sided crush she had on a former boss and then go and set her up with a guy who looks like Hardy (plus 40 pounds or so). Ellie wins the award for saddest shag ever on TV. Now I thought that unless something significant happened to require saving a tape, most CCTV tapes/disks were reused. So how on earth was the CCTV of a night 7 months earlier still in existence?

In the e-book about Ellie, which accompanied episode 1, it says Tom believes Ellie was behind Joe's arrest in order to get out of the marriage.

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