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Then would that be Tamra's first sale?

Ah gotcha. That had to have been a typo of some sort, right? That's a big exaggeration, even for Vicki. :-D

Yes I totally agree, Vicki was cringe worthy with her "salesmanship" considering all we know now. And yes, yes, yes I follow a Ketogenic diet. Best thing I have ever done for my health! I totally agree and understood where you were coming from. Just don't want the despicable crap V & B did to taint legitimate ways to help heal the body. I AM NOT SAYING the detox people's stuff works, just that much healing can come from nutrition.

Well in all fairness to the detox people, we don't know that their product doesn't help FIGHT (it doesn't say cure) cancer just because Brooks and Vicki lied about his cancer. There really is much truth to food and nutrients used as medicine. Do some research on Ketogenic diets.

Maybe that will eventually become the norm, but as of now there are plenty of HH (not international) that show some of the owners "stuff" in the house and garage. Sometimes it's so obvious as a large screen tv mounted to the wall, a brand new sofa, a sectional with a sheet thrown over it, etc.

Leann was Jimmy's first wife and they had two daughters, Hayley and her older sister (can't think of her name but it's not Sutton), Jimmy's second wife, Allison lives in St. Louis with their two minor children. I don't know their names or sexes, someone else would have to answer that. Hayley's sister was not filmed. She recently graduated from college and I think she lives in O.C. I doubt Hayley will be going to college anytime soon. From what was shown, she wasn't much of a student. I'm not sure how Meaghan will spin her reason for being in OC for next season.

I picked that she always knew (now that I'm convinced it had all been a lie). Originally Vicki did not want to have Brooks film because of all the Brooks bashing. When Andy told Vicki that if Brooks was living with her, then she had to film with him or be fired. That's when I think V & B cooked up this storyline. It should have solved all their Brooks bashing problems and more, if they had played it right. Everyone (except Brianna probably and even her a little) would have felt bad for Brooks and laid off him. Vicki would have gotten sympathy and casseroles from the women and to top it off, Vicki would have had a great storyline and season. Well we know that's not how it went down. I don't think Vicki will ever come clean and even if she did, I think it's time for her to go.

Yes I went back and read my post. I did word that poorly. My apologies. While I do think they stretched the truth as to why Meaghan was in OC, there is some logic to the story. I'm going to make a few assumptions, but I can see it going somewhat like this......Hayley is sent to St. Louis to live with her father and Meaghan because A. She is an incorrigible teen and Leanne is tired of dealing with her. And/Or B. Due to Leann's cancer recurrence she is unable to parent Hayley and wants Jimmy to take over. Then when Leeann's prognosis became dire, everyone (I would think) knew that Hayley should have time with her mother, so they moved back to OC. I don't know if Hayley was living with her mother or bouncing from house to house, but it makes sense to me that Jimmy and therefore Meghan were responsible for overseeing Hayley. The prom scene was sadly typical teenage behavior (to me) and Hayley's stuff could have been at the mom's house because she was living there or staying over. Just my take on the situation.

I don't think an 18 year old needs a babysitter, nor did I say that. But most 18 year olds still need some parental guidance and financial assistance. As you mentioned, your children were in college and living in apartments, did you not help them achieve that? Hayley acted like a brat, but she's in a vulnerable situation right now and I hope that Jimmy helps guide her.

Hayley was living with Meaghan and Jimmy in St. Louis. They moved back to OC so Hayley could be near her mother and also for Meaghan to be a housewife. To be honest, I'm not sure what the priorities really were. As for Haley being 18 and no longer needing a babysitter, well that just not true for most 18 year olds. She's going to need some help and guidance. She's not on her own yet and it's Jimmy's responsibility to guide her. Therefore Meaghan is still very much in Hayley's life.

Yeah so she's embarrassed for a few fleeting moment. Bottom line it would be her having consensual sex with her long time boyfriend. Hardly scandalous.

EWWWWW Nah I can't picture Vicki in a threesome. Maybe a sex tape, but really, who would care about Vicki in a sex tape with Brooks?

I don't think Brooks was abusive either. I can picture V & B both being obnoxious when they are drunk and fighting. I bet that's when Vicki does her best screeches. Vicki and Brooks started up years before Donn and Vicki divorced and supposedly Donn had a mistress for 20 yrs. As for Brooks having something financially on Vicki? I don't know, Vicki's business isn't even close to be being the cash cow she pretends it to be. This was confirmed in her divorce financial disclosures. Her "real" money comes from her Bravo paycheck, which is easy to verify.Vicki and Brooks both signed a confidentiality agreement and I wonder about the fine print on that document. Though she certainly is trying to paint this all on Brooks. I think she is trying to get him to say it was all his fault and that is going to cost her big time bucks. Besides the fact that Vicki can't keep her mouth shut and in a sick Vicki-like way, I'm sure she is loving all of this attention, every time she says it was all Brooks' doing, she opens herself up to him exposing her more. So in my mind, she really either was duped by Brooks (I find it too hard to believe), she's paying him off and still negotiating a way out (afterall that Bravo check benefits both of them, no Bravo no money) or she is just dumber than fuck and thinks she can just lie her way out of this mess. Or none of the above. :-)

I wonder who the anonymous source is that seems to know Vicki's every move. Brianna?

I wouldn't be surprised if this was all Vicki's idea from the get go. I have previously posted that if this was a ruse, then Vicki was in on it from the beginning. Now that the shit is raining down, I wonder how much she had to pay Brooks to make him take the fall? That really is her only hope. Brook has gone as far as saying Vicki did not know about the phony documents (which I don't buy). But that's not going to be enough to clear her. Looks like Vicki will need to sweeten the pot to get a confession and an declaration that she was innocent. Even then there is just too much incriminating evidence against her. As for Bravo being upset, I don't think so. They are loving all this media attention and ratings. Bravo doesn't care if the storyline is despicable, all they care about is ratings.

I wouldn't put it past Vicki to fake the whole thing. Her theatrics were cringe worthy. As for her having her phone....Shannon doesn't allow cell phones and probably has them blocked, but then how would production get news from Brianna?

I don't plan to watch it either. In the famous words of more than one Housewife..........I'm Done! I sooooo did not want to believe it was all a lie. This whole season has been disgusting. The only good I could see coming from this is the firing of Vicki and I don't think that will happen. I miss the snarky fun shit, both on the show and on this forum. :-(

Andy already has dibs on them.

Re: Ashtabula, Ohio episode.... Am I the only one that rolled her eyes upon hearing the name of the boyfriend.............Life?

Yeah it keeps getting shorter. Why would anyone want to watch it at this point? It's old, old news. The gig is up. I bet Andy is pissed that E News stole the show.

Nope not even me :-D

My TV guide is now showing the Brooks interview at 9 pm followed by Secrets Revealed at 9:30 pm. Eta: On Thursday (oops)

I don't know, I think it would be giggle worthy.......for at least the first five minutes.

Thank you. Hmm it could be. Maybe some rabid fan could snap a side view of the new (same?) man. :-D

Wow. Ok I'm going to go with he lied. :-) I think that was the nail in the coffin. Oh Brooks, you idiot. I tried to defend you.