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I agree that 1. this wasn't a great episode and 2. yes, the show is definitely taking Deborah's side, with almost comically everyone telling Ava she's done A Very Bad Thing. It's very on-the-nose, particularly with the "medium". So I have no doubts Ava is heading for a fall, probably both professionally and mentally (having lost her "innocence" etc)

No! Well, kissing at least. Not gonna lie, it was hot. Right in one of the first scenes, when they faced off, and then in the end... It's definitely intentional. While I somewhat enjoy the tension and the writing ("I only like that word when we're in London!"), I'm not happy with Deborah going so ott. Both with the 'pranks' and the physical abuse. I mean, Ava adored her; she was basically dumped by her (not in a romantic way) but then still came running when Ava asked her to, sacrificed a good job and ruined her relationship for Deb, only for D to break her promise to her the first chance she got. Idc how annoying or millennial Ava can get, I'm on her side because being that mean to her is like kicking a puppy. And while I'm glad Ava has grown a spine, I'm not sure I want to watch this fight for a whole season (or longer). I'm guessing it's going to get a lot more passive-aggressive now, so... progress? I can totally see D pretending to make up and A falling for it, only to find out the hard way it wasn't real. In the scene with Marcus, it became clear how narcissistic Deborah really is. It's all about loyalty to her, and not reciprocal loyalty. That's not something that can be cured in real life, so I wonder where the wrtiers will take them. It's a deeply unhealthy relationship, but still very entertaining. It's good the show is finally back!

oh Gods, yes!

I wasn't impressed with this two-parter (even though I liked Joan). I guess this was their attempt at a screwball comedy storyline. Oh well. On the bright side, this might be the end of the super lame "haha, Sass is a virgin" and "omg poor Sass is still a virgin" jokes. A girl can dream. I did like the B story, where Flower outsmarted and out-capitalismed Trevor and Hetty. And for once, they didn't end it with Flower forgetting everything! ETA: The virgin shaming is basically the same as slut shaming, just the opposite. Effing leave ppl alone!

That's how I took it, that he's part of the extended family, so to speak. Which is why I thought he would visit at Christmas, but alas. Yeah, I'm not too keen on his shenanigans, although I did like the scenes after his dog had died. They should have built on that, e.g. gotten him another dog.

I didn't enjoy this episode very much. Did like the dynamic with the new officer. For a second there, I thought we would see Mr Insufferable again! Poor Elsbeth, trying to find a connection! And bonding over dogs in the end... Not a fan of the suggestion that the psychic's powers were partly real, the supernatural doesn't work for me with this show. (At first I thought the Captain's old case was introduced so that we - and Elsbeth - could revisit it later, but apparenty there's no mystery left to be solved.) Of course I'm prepared that with a show by the Kings, it may veer off in a direction where I don't like it anymore. I know that's probably a minority position, ymmv. For those who miss the earlier, more Colombo-like structure of episodes - in case you don't know Poker Face, check it out! I also find their cases better constructed. For Elsbeth, it's the quirky characters that make the show for me, and I agree with the posters who miss Elsbeth's more 'out there' approach. I'd prefer that the loose thread/ ongoing plot with the murderous judge got dealt with soon but I suspect he's meant to be her nemesis for quite some time to come.

Regarding Bela, did I miss a scene in recent episodes where she left? Because my impression was she was staying with Jay and Sam and working for them in some capacity.

Ok I agree, "dick" was probably a bit harsh, particularly considering he'd just died etc. It probably feels more weird to me because I haven't seen the getting closer part, except from Nigel's perspective. It must have been brief and probably meant nothing to Chris, but would mean more to our more ancient Nigel.

Hell yes! Btw, I think it could be very funny if Chris returned for a visit some day and Isaac tried to keep Nigel from seeing him... Screwball comedy/ farce potential! It may be that all the virgin references will lead to something, but boy are they laying it on thick... Like, anvil-ishly thick...

This may have well been the first truly selfless thing Isaac has ever done. Well, said. Baby steps! I enjoyed the episode, but wish we could've seen the scenes of Isaac and Chris hitting it off. Bit of a cop-out. Plus, boo to Chris turning out to be suc*h* a dick that he doesn't even say good-bye. Also, I miss Jay's sister. ETA: Oh, and Isaac's 'meltdown' was wonderfully cringe! Well done by the actor and well-deserved for Isaac. *PS I swear "suck a d..." was a typo!

Oh, I'm sure his becoming better is his intended storyline. 'Elsewhere' being the operative word for me, lol.

OMG, Stripper Dude and Nigel hitting it off would be perfect! I know it won't happen, or if it did, they'd make it a 'Nigel just wanted to take revenge on Isaac' plot, they way they've been writing him recently. But a girl can dream. I really enjoyed the episode, and the ending was certainly a banger I didn't expect. Didn't know Sass could sing, we need a duet with Alberta!

Keeping on the new detective might well turn me away from this show, particularly if Kaya does actually leave, as her final scene suggested. Her friendship with Elsbeth is one of the best things about the show. New smartass detective, otoh, was just annoying. And not in an entertaining way.

Ugh! Show, don't do this to us (and Audrey) next season!

I definitely thought she was trying to tell him something important that woud spoil the mood, maybe connected to a case or what would become a case. And then decided against it.

Yes, but how do you get from "She's being followed by a man with a tartan scarf" to "oh, must be the perfume dude"? Angus didn't know him, did he?

I didn't hate it... didn't love it much either. Angus is nice. The reveal of his profession was funny because I just thought, huh, not a firefighter this time! His clothing and grooming look more expensive than a firefighter could afford though. Why is the portrayal of ... any other country always so cliched on American shows? Not if you put a herd of sheep in there, that makes it totes authentic! I did enjoy the idea with the streaming. But how exactly did Angus know that Elsbeth was in danger, and from whom? I also knew who the culprit would be right away. A bit of suspense would have been nice. On a positive note, at the beginning of the show I didn't realize the Iris setup and thought, oh God, not two angels watching the murder in a Very Special Valentine's Episode! So, glad that wasn't the case.

I feel dumb enough aready, rightfully so! Ever since I'm off most social media, I haven't had to deal with spoilers and I just assumed such a show was running a tight ship. You know, while I really enjoyed the ruminations of the article, I'm mad they didn't put up a warning. I'd much rather delete my post.

Oh F... I didn't even think of spoilers, honestly! Duh. I thought I might have missed something about Ms Cobel being alone in her car. And I must have skipped some of the later paragraphs, as I see now. Will put in tags. (Ombre, maybe you could put that bit in spoiler tags, too?) And now I spoiled myself to two things at least. Oh well.

ETA: Spoilers in this article, best read at the end of the season I think! The Frustrations of Severance ...As its puzzles compound and the rooms expand this season, I’ve found myself a bit lost. Does the show’s artifice conceal a deeper meaning—about love, about work, even about life and death themselves—or is it just artifice for artifice’s sake? ... This season, the sense of mystery deepens and expands. I can’t get enough of the lore about the company’s enigmatic founder, Kier Eagan, and while the show giddily draws on the histories of Mormonism and Scientology in crafting this founder’s narrative, there’s originality in the writing, including a particularly https://newrepublic.com/article/190798/severance-season-2-apple-tv-review-frustrations

I really, really hope they won't drag this out artificially, and that they have a plan. I'll never understand how you can put out a mystery (box) show and not know where you are going, and how you will do it. And now I'm wracking my brain on whether I ever watched such a show that actually worked out for me. Best case scenario, the resolution was lame (compared to the huge buildup before).

OK, so before I read up on anyone else's thoughts... The zombie goat people are castaways of Cold Harbor, right? Some Frankenstein Monsters born without a nave (pouch) I assume. And Lumen wants to use them as vessels to try and 'harbor' the personalities of dead or dying people, probably Eagans. Kier or current whatshisname. Maybe Ms Solveg is so eager to work there because she wants to revive someone too, e.g. her mother?

Same here! He tends to glorify the ruling class and class systems. Speaking of not trusting him, with any other showrunner, I'd be interested in Oscar being outed to his mother at least, and the fallout. But judging from how unrealistically he handled this with Thomas at DA, I hope nobody will find out. (Just to be clear, by realism I don't mean a gay person had to be unhappy or find a terrible end etc, but all the Granthams being like eh, it's totes normal, we kissed at public school! was a bit much and probably owed to his impulse of painting his posh protagonists in the best way possible.)

While I think it's entirely possible she does have a bf, or could have anyone she wants, I think watching that scene something about her innie, her fearlessness, made her want to explore. Plus life with her abusive father must be horrible. She looked as if she was used to slurs from him... And also, she started to smile watching the video, maybe getting the idea to go in there as Helena. So maybe she didn't need to be forced. She still probably has nefarious plans... Then again, who knows? I definitely see lots of possibilities for her "getting it" down there and switching sides, so to speak. Probably with a few twists and turns.

I forgot to mention something I found really weird: When Rickon said: "Don't punish the baby!" Who would even think of punishing the baby?!