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I loved Salsa Jane, she was fun! And I liked the idea of seeing her characters like that, so I hope they do it again in the future. I'm torn about Petra's sister plot. I like seeing the actress playing another role, but I fear she will get annoying soon. And, like someone said, I do hope she doesn't turn into a villain. Michael and Jane continue to be so adorable. Please don't kill him off, show.

Well, damn. This episode was so good. This season has been so good, it's like the whole show has been leading up to it.

Well, I liked this one better than the first. I was more entertained. Glad to see Michelle Ang in the promo for next week! Don't kill her, show. Please and thank you.

So, I have mixed feelings about this episode. I thought the first half or so was kind of boring because they were trying so hard to do a bunch of throwbacks to season 1, i don't know. It did pick up much more towards the end. I was never that interested in Beth, so I didn't need a whole episode of Beth. In fact, I wasn't looking forward to it too much because I feared Tatiana wasn't gonna be able to make her too much of an distinct clone, since she seemed like one of the lower key ones, certainly not as OTT as Helena or Allison, for example. But she really pulled it off. MK, too. I don't know how this woman does it. Above all, creating new clones continues to be Orphan Black's strongest suit. The one thing I didn't like was Beth and Art having sex. I thought it was the one thing that imo didn't fit into what we saw in season one. That was a big deal and there was never any reference to it back then, not even subtext as far as I remember. I thought we would follow Beth until she killed herself, and was surprised when we didn't. Are there gonna be more flashbacks through the season, leading up to that? I hope they keep making the episodes available to everyone on the official site, btw.

Huh. Thanks!

So I finally watched the whole episode. Okay, show, I get it. The Saviors are scary. But how did they know that Rick and his group were leaving? And where they were going? Maggie's thing was an unexpected emergency. When Rick and his group were leaving and Gabriel talked about shifts and evacuation plans and I don't know what the hell I was like "with who? Are there a bunch of redshirts in Alexandria that I'm forgetting?" I feel like Alexandria is 20 people and 15 were already out doing stuff and getting kidnapped and shit. I liked Negan (great casting), but his scene dragged waaaay tooo long. I hope his plot is resolved in a season though, and they don't drag it out more than necessary. I don't really care about who died, though. And I will probably care even less in I don't know how many months.

Michael and Jane are so adorable. Please don't kill him, show. I totally didn't see the Petra twin thing coming! Good one, JtV! I'm not sure what the point is, though. But good one.

So basically, a little action at the beginning, a little action at the end and a whole lot of talking and emoting in the middle. Sigh.

I wonder if the writers even knew at that point who Negan killed. I liked Negan, good casting. His speech was too long though. I think it was a bad idea to leave it as a cliffhanger and not really show the horror of it. Months later the reveal will not have the same impact, imo.

Michael and Jane are so cute. I so hope he doesn't die. I wasn't expecting Petra to be the one who got Jane the house, but I fucking loved it. I too have grown to love her and I'm looking forward to see her having a good relationship with her kids.

And getting more people. I feel like by now Alexandria is down to like 10 people.

It's not like she saw a random bag and said "hey, maybe there's something there" and when they didn't listen she went for it and just happened to find the soda. That would have been a whole different scene. But it was a cooler. I thought about the Tara soda right away. Even though I didn't think far enough ahead to think about whether or not she would find it, right away I thought that was her motivation and the reason why she insisted and went for it herself when Daryl and Rosita ignored her. And then she found it and said "hot damn" like she couldn't believe it. I thought it was all on purpose and it worked, for me.

Lol, of course. I just see her point and what they were trying to say with her. And ultimately she just got killed standing around and talking, anyway so...

The soda thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bjhwrjVLQU

It was not about the cooler. It was about finding Tara's favorite soda. She actually asked Daryl to keep an eye out for it some episodes back. Daryl and Rick meet Jesus when Daryl wants to stop in that gas station, I think it was, to see if he can find it. He does find it, but then during the whole Jesus thing the cans get punctured (I don't remember how), so that's that. Denise is shocked when she DOES find it in the cooler and when Rosita asks Denise like "did you just HAVE to have those sodas?" or something alone those lines, Denise says something like, "nope, just this one" and it was the same orange one that Daryl tried to get the other time. I thought the whole deal with Denise this episode was that the world is scary now, but you have to LIVE in it anyway, and that includes taking risks. And anything is risky now, anyway, so you might as well insist on getting that soda that might make your girl smile because otherwise you will be stuck in a prison of fear and you won't be living anyway. I didn't think she was being stupid during the episode, to be honest.

Yeah, wasn't there a little shoe in the sink (I imagine with a foot still inside)? I too understood that the mother became a zombie and ate the cute little boy from the photos, which is why Denise was so affected and crying when Rosita and Daryl came out of the store.

What bothered me the most about Denise's death was that she was given so much development before it happened. Usually people here get more screentime before they die, but in her case I thought it was actual development that happened through the season and culminated in this episode that was so Denise heavy. And it would have been different if she died as a direct consequence of her trying to change and toughen up, you know, that she tried and got herself in a situation she couldn't get out of so it was just a plot that ended badly, and it was sad. But she was just standing there talking and got an arrow to her head that wasn't even aimed at her. It felt like her entire arc this season was a fucking waste of my time and this whole show is a pointless joke. I'm sure other people will tell me that they do this this sort of thing all the time, but somehow it felt worse with her, to me. Because again, she was just standing there talking and it was all just about fucking Daryl, so they might as well not even tried to give her an arc.

I was so sure it would be Tara.

The only way people actually learn and grow is by doing things, which is what she was trying to do: to face her fears and learn to take risks. Her arc started with her being all panicky about being a doctor, it's something Denise has been trying to overcome for a while. She paralleled Eugene in this ep. I thought the thing about the transmission was about her remembering her brother and that Daryl reminded her of him. At the pharmacy they heard the walker and determined that it was just one and it was stuck somewhere, so Denise forced herself to go look because she was trying to make herself face the horrors she had been sheltered from. She didn't want the cooler, she was looking for Tara's favorite soda, which she had been looking for for a while (last time she asked Daryl to keep an eye out for it). It's why she told Rosita that she was just looking for "this one".

I thought Denise's death was so sad and pointless. I got misty eyed. She was cute and a good person. Poor Tara. I feel like I should know who Dwight was, like we've met him before, but I have zero recollection of him.

I love Norma. I find her a really fucked up, engaging, sympathetic character. And I think it makes sense that she is, since we all know Norman is going to kill her making us feel for her (at least I do) will make it hurt so much more when he does. And I too think Norman's whole thing isn't her fault, at least not overwhelmingly. She hasn't been mother of the year because she's so fucked up, but Norman had already killed someone in episode one. Their family is also completely screwed and IIRC there is even a history of mental illness in Norma's family, on top of her abusive husband. Plus, the Norma in Norman's head has always been quite different from Norma... colder, more menacing. I think the implication of it all is that Norman has been mentally ill all along, and a lot of it is possibly hereditary. I think Norma's parenting would probably breed screwed up kids like Dylan, but not a full on crazy person like Norman.

The argument that was being made was that it would be too much of a bummer for a comedy show and only bad people died on the show, which was different. Yet they were gonna kill of Luisa, and they killed Rafael's father, too.

I don't think Jane will end up with Rafael because Juana ended up with Mauricio in the original. I think it because most shows, deep down, are quite conservative in spite of it all, and I find it unlikely that she won't end up with Mateo's father or even that she won't lose her virginity to him, eventually. I can't say it with complete certainty, of course, but I'm more inclined to think that instead of thinking she might end up with Michael and Rafael will "settle" for Petra. Rafael is even more of a main character than Michael is, imo. The protagonists are him and Jane. Letting Jane and Michael have their moment of glory and joy now, specially considering how abrupt it all has been, could just be a way of finally closing the door on Michael, before they move on to Rafael and Jane again, now with the complication first that she's mourning Michael and eventually that Petra has kids with Rafael, too. Maybe it won't happen, but I see it as possible. Good people die in comedies, too. Michael's partner wasn't a complete villain and she was murdered too, and in a situation that made him feel guilty. Luisa was supposed to die by episode three, IIRC, and Rafael was meant to feel guilty about his last interactions with her (that's actually in one of the pilot's drafts, back when Rose was been Luisa's college roommate or something, instead of the backstory they ended up with). So I still see it as possible. Though I hope not. I prefer Michael and Jane, I love their familiarity and all the history they have.

Lol, I actually prefer Michael/Jane and I'm glad they're giving them a chance this season. But there is that prediction the narrator did a while back and, let's be real, Jane will end with Rafael. Petra and Rafael now have children together and Petra is becoming a better person, so they can just pull a Rafael-Jane-Petra eventually if they need a triangle. I don't know if it will happen, but I don't think it CAN'T happen.

So Jane and Michael are engaged? Oh lordy, he is so gonna die on that wedding day, isn't he? Like someone around here speculated IIRC.