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The poor communication was absurd! They couldn't get into Michelle dismissing David because they wouldn't own their misconduct. They lied to her face & that was wrong! Michelle didn't care about her husband & didn't give it a chance & that was wrong! She doesn't care or have a problem with them being together, her issue is them lying to her about it & Madison kept denying lying & asking why she had problem. They need someone to ask them direct questions & keep them on track. I doubt KF will. 🙄 Should've brought Allen into it, but Michelle wants to be the victim... Run from the hot seat again! David blamed his mistake & Madison said it wasn't a mistake. So the text wasn't a mistake? WHAT mistake? WHAT'S not a mistake? That kiss was basically a peck, nothing earth shattering, so why ask about it? WHY'S Michelle crying about them "winning"? WHAT DID THEY WIN???!!! Not being alone? 😕 David's boobs are so gross! 😨 She can't look at that & think it's hot. I don't recall that honeymoon chat about a tat date. That cover-up tat was LAME! Spray paint streaks over it with the hand & can??? Was that the cheapest option? The streaks alone would've been fine. I think completely new ones that cover old ones can be good. Her father telling her not to beat herself up & it wasn't all her shows where she gets her behavior from. Really rich of her to tell David to tell her if anything changes considering she didn't extend her husband that courtesy!!! Didn't need to hear about their morning delight! The hotel room was cute. They are similar: profane, into the gym, sports, & bars. I'm still not seeing why they like each other. KF better ask them! Michelle said she wished she would've enjoyed the friendship in the beginning even knowing how it turned out. KKP should've posed that altering the outcome. He probably would've stayed with her, he wanted to make it work. Well. Maybe not. Like Karla, he probably didn't want a friend. Maybe that's the right approach when they're not initially feeling it, but Juan chose friendship & Karla wasn't there for friendship so idk. Maybe just take the pressure & expectations off of being married... Did they try to set up a group thing for her birthday? 🤔 Madison doesn't feel supported, SURELY SHE UNDERSTANDS WHY! She screwed over & misled her husband! Too much of them!!! Their bad behavior shouldn't have been rewarded with so much airtime!

And she said he looked nice!!!! 🙄😂

Michelle didn't want David Madison didn't want Allen Juan didn't want Karla Ike didn't want Em They put on a good show at the wedding & quickly flipped the script. Ike & Em suffered the top couple crash. Another 1 couple season. 😬😬😬😬

So Em gave Ike a half hug, Allen refused David's handshake, Madison skipped greeting Allen & he said hello to her. So he's gunna acknowledge her in group settings? 🤔 I'm surprised Em even acknowledged the clown. David saying it started in the gym sounds bad cuz they did that day 3 or 4. I think he means those conversations, just her talking to him he appreciated. Doesn't mean he was looking at her as more than a friend. WHAT'S Michelle upset about?!!! She didn't want him, so what's the issue?!! Not buying another hyped confrontation cuz the last one was a dud. 😒 Looks like the ONE couple will survive the post DD meetup, unlike some couples from recent seasons. 😅

Oh Em! She was on point when she started about Ike taking accountability for his actions: going to the retreat with his paper to embarrass her & telling the group he didn't want to go... but the repetition & goading was too much. She kept poking til he blew up, but it seemed like she showed what he claimed. She should've asked him questions & let him dig his own grave instead of call him allllll the way out about everything. Ask the group who wanted him at the retreat. 😂 Nevermind, someone would say yes because he's part of the experiment. She just wants to tear him up every time to where SHE has to step away to regroup??? Girl can't hide her contempt! 😕 How's that feeling? Having fun? WHY waste that energy?!!! She needs to stop since she can't control herself. Everyone is pretty much over it, only 2 of the girls stepped away with her. How fast does she find a fiancé?!! 6 weeks? 6 months? Pretty fast! 😕

Juan talking about building a romantic connection AT THE END?!!! TOO MUCH SPIRITUAL STUFF??!!! AT THE END?!!! GTFOH!!!! TOO LATE!!! WASTE OF TIME, UNSERIOUS, FLOATER COUPLE! Not even a hug goodbye when he left! A JOKE! They weren't even worth making a prediction. Of course DIVORCE on DD!!! What she said she'd like to hear was strange. DD isn't the day to decide to try! Her holdup was not getting affection & consideration & his was no attraction & chemistry, but said going to the gym. 😕 Um. Okay. Sure. Again with the nonsense. DD isn't the day to hash that stuff out!!! DISCUSS IT BEFORE, WHEN IT MATTERS, WHEN IT CAN BE ADDRESSED!!! He was the first holdup. I suspect because he wasn't feeling her & not that he's not into affection. That was just a BS excuse/cop-out. He's lucky she just floated along with him instead of resenting him & blowing up because of it. Funny how she rushed to say divorce & rejected his excuses. Too bad PC didn't enlighten Juan earlier about being closed to whatever he wasn't into. I guess DD meant more "honesty." 🙄

T&C are just bizarre. WHY don't they know each other's decisions?!!! WHY can't they say & do what each other needs to say yes?!!! Wait til DD to figure out living arrangements?!! COME ON!!! That's RIDICULOUS!!! WHY CAN'T THEY DISCUSS IT & DECIDE TOGETHER?!!!! I CAN'T WITH THEIR TERRIBLE COMMUNICATION!! 😕😕

Not seeing the purpose of DD for already split couples, but eh. Make herself feel shitty? Ya. Okay. Whatever. That sounds remorseless. Allen could've skipped it, but didn't? Why? David's behavior was ATROCIOUS!!! Acted a straight up fool, then quit answering with his, "I don't know," to if thinking she didn't care (about the marriage?) was a free-for-all. That's a child right there! He wasn't there to discuss anything. He was there to make a statement and go. Tried shutting it down with the ring on the table, then resorted to idk responses. Guess he finally hit his limit of the hot seat. 😅 He didn't intend on hurting her? WHAT did he intend? Is she hurt? For what?! WHAT did David think Michelle didn't care about? His feelings and/or him dealing with other women? He keeps harping on her never asking how he was, so I guess that. They both say, "could care less," which is WRONG. Twinsies! Add Em to that! I hope they cut Michelle saying what she did wrong, cuz if there was none of that, that's a problem. I disagree with just showing David answering for his behavior. She kept invalidating what he said by repeating her, "that's your story now, so is it true?," BS!!! He should've told her to cut the BS & quit playing. He said some right things until he "checked out." He didn't share his feelings so they could work on them, but I guess also felt like he couldn't because she didn't even care to ask his feelings. Still, he could've been an adult and told her. She said she cared about him as a person, ask HOW she showed that! He did realize where he went wrong, he just couldn't own it til the end of the conversation. Can't take any push back. Did he think that text & lying was wrong??? 🤔 WHERE'S HER TAKING ACCOUNTABILITY??? TOM??? MR. ACCOUNTABILITY POLICE BETTER CHECK HER!! WHAT IS SHE UPSET ABOUT??? SHE CAN'T SERIOUSLY DISAGREE WITH MADISON'S STATEMENTS. THEY WON WHAT??? 😕

Looks like she's trying to hold back to not look that bad. He seems to finally be reading the situation that he's wayyyy more into her than she is into him. It's a lot easier being friends, compared to the pressure and expectations of being married to a stranger spouse. HOW DOES IT CROSS THAT LINE?!?!! 😕😕

How'd he put it back on her? 🤔That's what she says whenever he says he wasn't getting any attention or care from her. Her behavior did contribute. Doesn't make it right nor excuse what he did, it's what happened though. I wonder if he was happy with Michelle if he still would've "caught feelings" for Madison. 🤔 He does take ownership of not voicing his feelings & messing up there. I guess we didn't see him really own being wrong for the text & repeatedly lying & that took him wayyyy down. Maybe he thought that was okay because he thought she didn't care what he did since she didn't want him.

Good gosh, the music was terrible!!! Too loud, could barely hear them speaking at times, randomly playing during scenes. Like someone waited til the last minute to add music & dumped a bunch a tracks over this episode! Most of the bleeps were off too! WTF?!!!

A golf "date." How cute! 🙄 This "couple swap" they teased all season has not delivered AT ALL!!! Low-key, one pair of spouses, & happened at the end. Total DUD!!! That stupid text made the most drama for 5 episodes!!! Wait weeks or months? David? YEAH. RIGHT!!!!

It was ridiculous for him to bring it up the day before DD like anything can change it now & had nothing to back it up. That's his problem, he says stuff & can't support it. The cards? ONCE? Is too much??? YEAH. RIGHT. He's reaching for stupid excuses. 🙄

*Sigh* I guess because they "care" about each other, it's not a concern. Whatever that's worth. Idk. I say let the cheaters do what they do! 🙄

Maybe not quite. Seems she's just not acknowledging her words & actions prior to that text & keeps repeating that, "is this true?" BS, when she knows it is. If they don't play every clip of her saying the same line over & over at the reunion.... They did a thing, she said she still had a problem, they did another thing, she said she still had a problem. Rinse. Repeat. How was he supposed to feel?!!! She just expected him to wait til she maybe came around? 😕 Totally self-centered! Still wrong of him to text & lie & not formally quit first. She has to take responsibility for her behavior & she's using him lying to avoid doing that.

Everyone was really probably upset with David because he upset the cook & made him leave. That's why they all left early! 😂😂

20yrs old with FOUR KIDS?!! WHAT ARE THEY DOING OUT DRINKING?!!!! Can't even legally drink & has kids? That makes sense. NOT. Their stories were incoherent. I couldn't make sense of his friend's. He went back to ask his friend if he needed a ride? And did he? Why not ask BEFORE leaving? WHERE was he? WHAT'S his story??? 😕 A guy randomly pulls a gun for no reason??? Did the cops ask the friend if he had a gun? If he'd fired a gun? Do a GSR test? They should clone & monitor their phones!!! The gf investigated on Instagram & found the shooter! What about the cops? Incompetent?! Lazy?! They just waited for the surveillance footage? COME ON!!! That footage was so blurry, I don't think they should dangle that as evidence they wanna show the suspect. So disturbing how easily that guy just pointed a gun. & the victim's stupid friend hangs out the window & fires & tries to claim self defense when they're away from the situation, after trying to blame his dead friend. & they drive past the same area. SMART! Should've shown the suspect running up that hill to shoot at them. That fool seriously denied pointing a gun?!! Holding a bottle?!! Throw him away! He still could've let it go & not fired. But no. He wanted to shoot & actually had a reason. His self-defense claim would've been more reasonable, but he wants to deny having a gun. The victim's friend threw the gun? Retrace their route & FIND IT!!! Just weak, stupid kids. GUNS=DEATH. Nothing new.

Kinda fitting the retreat ended with the same disappointment for Tom as the end of the honeymoon. Will Cam ever stop teasing lingerie? 😂😂 Strange that she's still dangling that carrot even tho they're having sex. What's it matter now? 😕 Is it the same one she mentioned pre-honeymoon? Has Tom not seen any lingerie?!! Lol

I think that was an act. She didn't want him, so why care? I think she was trying to figure out who he texted, just to know & to make him look bad. Him revealing talking & meeting other women helped that. A "wife" should be upset about that, so she was. What's she really "mad" about? He's not sitting around suffering in their crap marriage alone anymore & finding happiness elsewhere or he'd exposed that he's pursing someone else, then lied about it to make her look stupid? On the after show, he said she asked if he was texting other women & couldn't care less who. He's a liar though, so.

Nah. Doubt it. She didn't care about him dealing with other women. I guess the issue was he lied & kept lying to her face about that text. Insulting her intelligence. Disrupted her putting on a show of her "trying." It gave her a new storyline, but it couldn't go beyond that because he kept lying. If he'd immediately fessed up, what would've happened? Would she have used that as her out?

Wowww. Killed someone for someone else...for free?!!!! So creative! He was an alleged thief, so instead of filing a report & having the cops investigate, they hunted him down & shot him to death? To do 85% of 30yrs?!!! Makes sense. NOT! It wasn't even his fight. & he did it for free. Just bonkers. Like he's the one you rile up because he wants to fight... So much for a friend, he went from help me get him to the hospital, to get him off my tire so I can leave, I don't want to be involved. WHAAAATTTT?!!!! INSANITY ALL AROUND!!!

That line is irritating as hell, but really, how do you answer, "How do I know you're telling the truth now? Why should I believe you?" Those questions suck too! Like. PC shouldn't have even bothered asking that. If you have to ask, you shouldn't even be dealing with that person. Someone should have the self-respect to walk away. Well. The liar wouldn't have self-respect. Gotta give it to him, he doesn't run away from the hot seat with his lies. That isn't this situation, but still. PC should've said they're known liars with ZERO integrity, good luck to them!

Gah! They're milking this text drama for every drop!!!! It's been like 5 episodes!!! I can't even remember life before that text!!! 😂😂 Thank God the season's ending so they can't drag it out even longer! I wanna know what Madison would've said & done had she received that text. Why didn't he send it to her? I guess because his wife was suspicious & investigating him. Zero integrity indeed PC!!! Crazy how he started out as a Chris & ended up as Alyssa. He was the victim of a wife who didn't give him a chance, turned lying, gaslighter. He's a good [lying] person. 😅 Kinda shocking & disturbing the amount of people okay with David's behavior. Yes. Michelle didn't want him, didn't care about him, didn't care to get to know him, etc. She should've ended it. If he wanted to flirt & pursue things with other women, he should've ended it. He shouldn't have lied about that text, repeatedly. That text was both their outs. Why they continued is for them to say. Others have ended their marriages early just fine, so some zero proof "fine" doesn't cut it, but eh. I guess some people would be perfectly okay with someone lying to their face, constantly.

Talk about couples' retreat from hell!!! This has to be the worst one yet! Boy did they drop like flies? Everyone ultimately left early??? Allen, Em & Michelle, Madison, David, then the 2 couples. Geez! Whoda thunk Juan & Karla would take the moral high ground? Karla moreso. Love her for that! Violated boundaries indeed!!! Juan wants to be everyone's friend so he adorably struggled with not wanting to be around David's grimy azz! & Tom saying he has to change from Team David to Team Michelle, but not acting that way, telling him he's there for him if he needs anything. Cam still seems to be excusing him cuz that's her buddy, yet thinking something more is going on. I couldn't associate with someone with such poor character, but eh. Good for them!

I can't believe PC said if something could be salvaged between Ike & Em & asked Ike if he wanted to stay married with a straight face!!! SERIOUSLY!!! Em's letter was HILARIOUS!!!! LOVED IT!!! Her emotions came out, but those words were beautiful stabs! He is mentally unstable & needs help! It did need to be said! He deserved it! Coming at him sideways? When he'ssl acting a damn fool?!! Can't even answer questions! 😂 That's where it should've ended. There was no reason to continue with that psycho. She said he wouldn't have gotten a 2nd date in the real world, so why stay married? Why continue? Made her look crazy! I wonder if she's hurt & angry because he personally hurt her or because she didn't get a husband. 🤔