Retired at last

I don't understand Kate or the role she is supposed to play, but she looks genuinely sad and depressed. She still initiates sex with Luke, and then he also initiates (and gets weird and leaves the room). So, apparently, they are both trying to do this, but it appears (from editing) that it only happens when Luke initiates. She didn't want to tell the girls because she knows everything about their sex life is abnormal and she is ashamed. She also knows what kind of picture she has painted of Luke, and the girls are all supportive of her and seem to hate Luke. So, she is unsure that she would still have their support if she admits that she has sex with him - even after he has been so nasty to her. She is also the one to hang on him and wrap her arms around him and he "lets her" so that she can feel connected. I worry about Steph when she said she didn't know what the future with AJ's frustration would be 5 or 10 YEARS down the road. YEARS???? She needs to be worried about 5-10 days or weeks!

I kind of got the impression that when Kate initiates sex, Luke turns her down and insinuates that she is drunk. However, when Luke initiates, and Kate asks him if he is going to be weird afterwards and he says no and then they do and then he is, it is because HE initiated it. So, she must not have been drunk then. (Drunk being a relative term, since 1 or 2 glasses of wine doesn't usually get people drunk. Not me - two sips of wine and a Happy Meal and I am drunk and full - the epitome of the world's best cheap date!) But, it seems like he enjoys turning her down, and then she goes along when HE wants it, even though she knows it will still be weird and awkward. Just stop!!!!

I still think that all 4 will stay together on D Day. Why not? They get money and don't have to live together until the reunion - all they have to do is walk around with their wedding rings on and maybe see each other a few times. I don't know how much longer they can drag out these last 3 days until D-day, but I am thinking that next week is not the D Day show. At least we don't have any more Unfiltered shows. I just started watching this show last season, but I seem to remember that the people who were on the panel were the ones who were discussed so they could answer/explain, etc. I don't like it when they show scenes with people who aren't there and ask the rest to discuss the situation. That doesn't feel ethical, especially with Dr. Pepper there giving her "expert" opinion. Not that anything on this show is ethical, but, it bothers me.

And, Crazy Bird Lady, that was evidenced tonight when Luke told Kate he knew she would tell, because she always does. When she asked for an example, he gave the one about what he said about feeling repulsed and dead inside. He took that as a betrayal.

But even after they have had sex, then he gets "weird" and leaves the room and has to be alone for whatever reason, so even when they do, it is not affectionate or loving. So, when he feels like being the good guy and tells her he will do it, she gets all happy and then he leaves. I was glad she kind of talked to him, but then when she agreed that he was right, I was furious! I am afraid I am done with her. Her monotone baby voice is so hard to take and she is just so insecure (with good reason), but if he tells her they are fine, then she gets all happy again and thinks she found her soulmate. I just hope that it is Kate who pulls the plug, but we all know it won't be and he will blame it on her drinking and she will take the blame. I do feel sorry for Jasmine tonight and going forward. He still thinks there is time to take things slow and he said he would love to be in love with her. He just isn't there yet. I haven't seen the long preview for next week - it doesn't come on here for another 30 minutes. But, after seeing the edits from even what they have been showing all week, like the conversation in the car, it really doesn't matter. How many more weeks do we have?

Eli said today when he took the IV bags that they are going to have to take every single hospital employee's fingerprints to see whose match. Well, neither Diana, nor Kristen, if that's who they think they are looking for, are hospital employees, so that make no sense. And, I also think they probably have fingerprints of most employees already. Stupid story, but it's almost over.

But, @aphroditewitch, do you honestly think that these two people would have ever found themselves as a couple the traditional way? They may not communicate well, but they were seriously mismatched from the beginning, I believe.

I didn't mind it for a change, since the main show has been so horrible. But, I was not a fan of Princess Gina and that atrocious attempt at an accent. There were some funny parts and it was nice to see the actors get a break from repeating their same lines every day.

This is only my second season, and I honestly have no idea why I tuned in last time. We had psycho Mia/Tristan, desperate for love, baby, and cocktails Amber, and sweet, but boring Ricky Bobby and Danielle. I was pretty sure I was done at the end of that group, but I did tune in again. I am really not sure how many people actually do watch this, but I won't be watching again. I will check in to see the ending of this season, but have no desire to be manipulated into watching even pretend abuse. Kind of like how Dance Moms was. In the beginning, it WAS about dance and the girls, and by the end (which I stopped watching several seasons before it was over), it was too uncomfortable and just showed moms bitching and Abby screaming. Not fun.

I don't like to stereotype, but Will is an engineer and I have worked with many engineers who are like this. They deal with numbers, black or white - no shades of gray and are very methodical and fact-driven. He is an introvert, and is guided by his intellect, not emotion. Jasmine is just not getting there. She asks a question, but then does nothing with the answer, no discussion, no conversation, just the next question, like an interview. That is not how to communicate with him. And, until she gives him ANY kind of positive feedback, he sure isn't going to give her anything significant to criticize, so I think they will go into D Day without any carnal knowledge.

I think Kate had to tell Puke that she told "the secret". Otherwise, when they bring it up, and you know they will, he will be blindsided and won't have time to think of a story about a friend who had a heart attack during sex and that's why he doesn't like it or want to talk about it.

I agree that AJ will not see it coming if Stephanie decides to leave and will be devastated. I would be worried about his reaction, but I hope that isn't enough to keep her married to him. Wow, this crazy show sure has done a fabulous job, haven't they? AJ is a loose cannon with a volatile temper; Luke is a sadistic con artist paired with a desperate woman with incredibly low self esteem, coming right off a family situation that requires some time to process. Good job, "experts"! Jasmine and Will were just mismatched, but both seem like decent people. Same with Kristine and Keith. Nice people, but just at different places in their maturity and professional lives.

Now, THIS was the AJ I thought we would be getting since the wedding. It seems that Steph is pretty smart and when he says stupid things like he wanted to be married so he doesn't have to ever eat dinner alone again, or to fix his cufflinks, or to have someone at home when he comes home drunk and horny, I hope she is disgusted. Again, he thinks that type of comment is funny - it is not. Although she did leave the party early, I am sure she heard everything or was filled in by the other couples and the crew. She needs to get OUT. He will be devastated, but she can't let that stop her. Otherwise, she is in for a lifetime of walking on egg shells and being embarrassed by her spouse. Regardless if his behavior was caused by a hit to the head, he is not dealing with it or avoiding situations that may exacerbate the condition and continues to steamroll over her. Stephanie, there are other men who will walk and hold hands with you!!! Kate and Puke. . . I don't think I have ever seen such a display of low self-esteem and desperation as we have seen in Kate this year. Puke continues to lie, abuse and insult her, and is a despicable excuse for a human being. And they will stay together until the reunion, when Puke will say he just doesn't want to continue to hurt Kate and he can't give her what she wants so he will call it off. I know that Jasmine thinks very highly of herself, but she doesn't seem to have an ounce of warmth in her body. She was acting like she had a checklist and if she asked him some questions and then asked the next one, without having any conversation, that is getting to a deeper level? She may be intelligent, but it is sure not emotional intelligence and she is not going to have any physical intimacy with her "husband." They will not continue (unless it is until the 90 day thing, but not live together). I think Kristine totally drives this relationship because Keith just seems so surprised that she has an adult plan and that does not involve children, puppies, or unicorns. I think she will be the one to pull the plug, but just don't know if it will be Decision Day or the 90 day thing.

And I am done having any feelings of empathy for Kate. Sure, he probably did it out of pity and to stop her from asking, but I think the whole things is disgusting. No one else has been keeping this a secret and while Luke is already such a low life and it would be difficult to like him less, Kate has been playing the "feel sorry for me" card and that game is over.

THAT'S DISGUSTING!!!!!! @NowVoyager

That article is definitely not what I heard. I thought Kate was saying that LUKE had a secret that she was calling to tell someone. I never got the impression that it was Kate's secret that she was keeping from Luke, which is what the article seems to state. Oh well, it's almost Tuesday!

@krbr51, I don't think we know that Kate is keeping Luke's secret. All we saw is that she made a call to TELL someone about his secret, which means she does not intend to keep it. Again, we are putting a lot of thought as to what this secret could be and I am sure that anything we come up with is more interesting than what he has told her.

I would rather think that Luke's secret is something like he told her that he killed the last woman who didn't agree with him, so she better not divorce him until he is ready! I hope that Kate's happy face in the previews for next week is just from his pretending to be appreciative of how she is dressed (other than her ignoring the "you're wearing that?" comment). She just looked giddy to me that he is being nice and spending time with her. There he goes, getting her all hopeful again!

@Claire Voyant, I would be so happy if that is Luke's secret! Well, I am sure all she knows is that he is not sleeping in their bed, until it is time for their morning camera shots.

I don't think that AJ will cheat on Steph. He seems to truly care for her (the best that he can), plus that would involve some other woman wanting to be with him, and I am not seeing that! But, I do think that Steph needs to push back on the tantrums and be real with him. And let him know that not everything he says is funny. I think the 3 couples will stay together until the reunion, but not necessarily live together. They may as well get some more money. I think if Puke and Kate say they want to stay together, there really needs to be some pushback from the "experts" and the rest of the couples. Kate will lose any sympathy she has if she stays in. Even if they aren't living together. I so want Kate to be the one who dumps him. But, she won't without blaming herself for not being attractive to him. She will assume the problem for the "marriage" not working.

I agree about Puke's secret. It is going to be another story he made up, just like the drunk friend. I do not think they had sex. She would look happier and that wouldn't be Luke's secret. It would be their secret. I wish it would be that he told her he was gay, but I am sure it isn't. At least then she wouldn't keep beating herself up for not being attractive to him. I do hope we get a mini-honeymoon intervention and the guys (and Kristine) take Puke out for a walk and we never see him again.

That's so sad (not) that Puke's mother is not happy with the edit he is getting. The fact that we could read his face from Day 1 and his behavior and reactions at the wedding have nothing to do with the edit. And, if he didn't do or say it, they wouldn't have it for the clips. Maybe they put a lot of things together to make it look bad (did I say maybe?). For example, in the preview, we saw Steph packing her suitcase with a voice over saying she has had it, but when the show is on, she is packing for a business trip!

I was so hopeful that Kate was going to finally do the smart thing, but all HE has to say is, "I don't want a divorce," and she says, "OK." I am, unfortunately, done with any sympathy I had for her. What got me confused was all of the different talking heads with different outfits - we saw the short sleeved black tee shirt on the one where they had the party where he ignored her. Then they kept showing her in the big shirt from last week's anniversary, like she didn't get dressed all day since she was wearing it (maybe again) when she and Luke had that brilliant conversation when he said he was "making the best of the situation." First she challenged him on what he said, almost like she couldn't believe it, and then she put on her hopeful face and that was it. I am not sure what is happening on the show next week, but, of course, AJ doesn't look happy with another production event that h was not prepared for. I am glad that Steph FINALLY spoke up about how uncomfortable she was when he has his baby tantrums. I really hope that they show AJ the film where he did all the talking and her face spoke volumes. I hope this is over soon. I think AJ and Steph will make it. Will and Jasmine - nope. She doesn't understand him and never will (no pun intended). Keith wants a baby mama who cooks and that is not who he married. She might be willing to have the babies if he stayed home and cooked and cleaned, but she is not ready for that, and as long as she is the major provider since he is still in school, they can't afford to have more mouths to feed. If Kate agrees to stay married on Decision Day, just to get that additional 90 day bonus, she deserves what she gets. I am really sorry and I know I am being unrealistic since this show was already filmed and it is what it is and it's not like she can suddenly change her mind, but the way it is unfolding is just making me angry, which is not worth it because this is a stupid stupid scripted unreality show!

I think, if the 3 month thing is real, they will agree to staying married at decision day and then come back for the reunion show in 90 days and then call it quits. If there is more $$$ and if they can spend those 90 days apart, I think they will do that. But, the review for tonight did show Kate at least mentioning getting a divorce, but then showed Puke saying he didn't want to do that.

I saw a preview where Kate says or asks if divorce is an option and Puke says something about not wanting to do that. So, I think that is the couple who mentions the d-word, but nothing will happen, except that we will get to see 2 more weeks (at least) of Kate being manipulated by Puke playing on her ever-present ray of hope.