Retired at last

Cal is useless. He hears what he wants to hear and ignores the truth, even when it is staring him in the face. I seem to remember that when Cal met with Madison and Allen, Madison did all the talking about how they are moving forward all the time. Allen never challenged that, that I recall.

Yep, they knew all along. It's kind of funny that people are now going back and watching from the beginning to see when it became clear that this was happening. It looks like it was pretty early. We know they started working out during the honeymoon. I don't know if there were tacos at that point.

I think it is interesting that in the past, it seems like many more couples were consummating their "marriages" on their honeymoons. I like it that they are waiting now. I don't think the success rates were higher when they just had sex right away. And I especially like it when the men don't jump right in if they aren't feeling attracted, even if their new spouses were willing. This season, Ick could have had Emem, Juan could have had Karla, and I think Tom was probably jumped on by Camille, so I am glad that worked - although it seems they have cooled off. Camille mentioned showing him the fancy lingerie she bought AFTER D Day, so they have definitely cooled off.

I don't think that Juan was a good candidate for this show, other than his looks, because he is so focused on his business. IF Karla had been more focused and down to earth, he may have been more attracted, but he could tell that she was very high maintenance (especially when she quit her job to open her own business but didn't have a clue how to do that). So, he was there to get business and have fun and make a little money. She wanted someone to cuddle with and support her as she went into her many different ideas for her own businesses. Neither of them have ever discussed the type of person they wanted, I don't think. Just that they aren't feeling attraction - well, Juan isn't so Karla mostly stayed quiet and looked sad.

I don't remember anything about Karla going topless, but if she did, it would be very much within her whole persona and I am sure she is very comfortable in her own body and this would be no big deal. Especially remembering her bus lecture on the power of the penis, or whatever it was.

Juan has said many times that he is not attracted to Karla. He has said this around her and said they were working on "attraction." I think he is amused by her and he did seem to enjoy it when she was asking him questions about making a business plan, although she didn't know what one was. He has been a good sport trying the things she enjoys. He has said many times that he is there to have fun and she has mentioned that he doesn't seem to be affectionate with her and doesn't have any physical intimacy with her.

While horrible as a person, I also think Michelle is much prettier than fake Madison. She is more feminine and does look nice on AP. I also agree with the comments that said that Madison is not nearly into David as much as he is into her. Serves him right. How does she do that? First, Allen is gaga for her and now David. Just my theory, but I have always thought that producers interview the applicants and pick the few they like and then they let the experts match them from those selected. I don't think the experts do much more than that.

I was looking forward to this show - silly me - and was disappointed. Except for Karla. The way she was dancing around while making baskets was hysterical. Madison is a worthless pig. Her speech about staying true to herself said it all. She doesn't think she did anything wrong because she did what she wanted to do. IF that clip we saw was the truth (which I seriously doubt), she told David ON CAMERA one week before the show was over that she liked him. NO woman, even as "beautiful" as Madison is going to do that in front of a camera for the first time. They both lie easily, but badly. I will say that David did actually appear to be happy, which we haven't seen. IF that tape was true, then Madison initiated the "true wuv" - not David. And, I still don't blame David as much as I do Madison. David had to deal with that cold bitch of a "wife" and I had no problem with him getting some positive attention. I know that Michelle is riding the wave of a victim, which she is not. She is not some amazing detective. She had one question she kept hammering at him and that was all she said to him. The text was stupid, but I also wouldn't be surprised if she was maybe fed some info from one of the producers - maybe just a hint. Considering that they didn't live together, how would she know when he came home? While sweet Allen was sleeping on the couch, waiting for his wife. I HATED Emem's letter to Ick. She has had that same look of disgust and superiority the whole show. I know some people bought that she wanted to make it work, but I never did. First of all, if she is as smart as she appears, then she would have written him off immediately. She wanted everyone to know that this failure was not her doing. Pastor Cal is an ass. His insistence that this IS A REAL MARRIAGE was ridiculous. So, is D Day next week? This will be a short one - just 2 couples left. I still am not a fan of Camille's. It sounded like she and Tom were not having sex anymore, when she hinted at showing him the sexy lingerie AFTER D Day. She also looked like she has gained a lot of weight. The show-in-place-of-Afterparty was OK. Amani and Woody looked great - she looked exquisite and classy. You know who I would love to see in a deep conversation about all these mumbo jumbo philosophies - Karla and Chloe. They can both throw those words around, but I think Karla believes it and lives it. Chloe likes to sound like she does. Paige looked pretty - she now has a baby girl and a fiancee. The others were from before I started watching. Anyway, see you all next week. Countdown to Peacock. . .

That bleeping really bothered me last week, too. I know that Allen was upset, but I had no idea what he was saying except for "bleep." The show isn't on here for 3 more hours, so keep posting please!!!!

It will be interesting to see if the Ick man appears again or if he is kicked out since he "served his wife" with phony divorce paper. And, does he get fined? Does Emem? She kept saying that she wanted to make it work, but clearly she didn't (no blame there). She is still part of the group, but he has taken off. But, I am sure he will be back. I wonder how the move to Peacock will change the format or number of couples or the rules they have to follow. Unfortunately, like many here, I sure won't be paying to see it.

I kind of agree that David didn't cheat - there was NO marriage and his "wife" wanted nothing to do with him. Madison had an obligation to spell it out to Allen that it wasn't going anywhere and not to get his hopes up. Instead, she kept saying they were growing closer and other things to keep him encouraged, although, deep down, he knew. I did have to laugh when you said as a newlywed, you would not let your new wife hang out with a guy in the gym. This is the same girl who left her husband alone at home while she went out to party the night they got home from their honeymoon, and many nights thereafter. There is no "letting" Madison do or not do anything she doesn't want to do - and what she wants to do is drink and party.

I assume that the show pays for divorces if it is announced at D Day. If they say yes then, if they get a divorce later, I also assume that the individuals pay for that. Anyone know? I believe there have been a few annulments - like Michael and I forgot her name, but she proved that he had lied the whole time.

Well, since we now all know how terrible a liar David is, it might be interesting to go back and watch from the beginning if anyone really cared, but I don't. I believe that David gave it a try with Michelle for a few weeks - at least through the honeymoon. When they got home and Michelle still gave him absolutely no hope for a future, then he may have started staying out late with the partiers and eating tacos. I think Madison would have gone for it from Day 1, since she did not like Allen because of his looks. I don't know that David and Madison are in this for life - I think they are both happy to have someone to go play with with no strings. David will always be a player and Madison will always want someone who looks a certain way. Maybe after she fixes David's teeth and hair, she will grow tired of him. Maybe not. If they are still together by the reunion show, it will be because they want to prove something. I don't know that Michelle deserves any awards for her investigating skills. She knew what she suspected and kept after David trying to get him to admit it. Her interrogation tactics were non-existent because all she did was ask the same question over and over with her arms crossed and the smirk of superiority and condescension on her face. If WE were tired of it, I'm sure David caved just to be done with it. Also, we also know that when the cameras weren't there, they never spoke or spent time together. For all we know, maybe Michelle had someone on the side. Maybe she was dating someone before the show and used this show to make him jealous (that has happened on past seasons) and went back to him? We have NO idea what happens off-camera. We can barely believe what we see ON-camera. As far as most people not liking Michelle, I think that if we had seen even a tiny bit of kindness from her, we might be able to better relate to someone who was not attracted to their match. But, her constant attitude of superiority was enough to make me write her off as a cold bitch. PLUS, the fact that even her friends said that it takes her a long time to warm up shows that she should never have been selected for this show - they don't have a long time!

Good morning, all. Here are my thoughts on this disaster of a show: I DO NOT believe that Madison decided at this time for the first time, to tell David, WITH THE CAMERAS ON, that she "wuvs him." And, I DO NOT believe that David has never heard this before and was so happily surprised because, what do you know - he "WUVS her,"too. I DO NOT believe that Michelle cares for even a second that she is a victim and has been wronged. She only cared about being right and not looking like such a cold bitch. There was NO reason for her to go to Allen and ask/tell him her thoughts. Allen did know, deep down, and it was so sad to see him have to accept the fact on camera. I DO believe that his reactions were real. I DO believe that if Michelle had shown a modicum of decency to David, he would not have jumped into this relationship. I DO believe that it did start with the two of them commiserating about the terrible matches that were made and that neither of them were in a good place. I think that David was truly interested in the beginning, but there are only so many times you can be shut down. Michelle knew she would never want him, so I really don't fault David. But, Michelle is not a victim - Allen is. I actually think it is kind of amusing that almost all of us here have the same thoughts about Michelle - she is just looking for a way to not get the villain edit, but it backfired. Most of us still don't like her or her attitude and don't have empathy towards her. On a lighter note - I DO believe that if we ever see Juan with a guitar again, it should come with a warning that what we are about to see will damage our ears and our psyche - FOREVER. (Unless they want to provide us with whatever they were smoking or drinking.) I also believe that we need to provide Karla with the actual meaning of "being on the same page." She can say that as much as she wants, but they aren't even reading the same book, much less being on the same page! All she does is try to agree with whatever he says, as long as she can work in that they are being "vulnerable and open." And Juan needs to get his original facial hair back ASAP. In looking at the previews, I DO NOT believe it when Cal asks if they have been intimate and David said they hadn't. They most certainly have. I DO believe that Madison is an even worse liar than David is. Maybe because she is younger. No more Afterparty for 3 weeks! And the next one will be after D Day. What I am wondering. . . is Emem now unhappy that she is not the person getting the most sympathy (although I didn't feel bad for her as long as she insisted that she wanted to stay married)? Is Camille going to see what she could have ended up with and start being nicer to Tom?

OK, FINALLY something to see tomorrow night! And, no way do I believe they are just platonic. I hope that when the rest of the group finds out, all of their compassion goes to Allen. Michelle treated David like crap from the wedding night on, so while she will carry on that she was a victim, she wasn't. And she deserves no empathy.