Retired at last

Of all the men, I like David the most. He seems like a truly good guy. I would not be attracted to him - too many tats and he is too big for me (I am under 5' tall and very tall/large men make me nervous). But, he seems decent and like he is seriously trying to take this seriously and is getting no help from his "wife" or the producers, from what we have seen. They seem to spend most of their time with Michelle. Since we are all anticipating that Madison and David will hook up, does that mean that Michelle and Allen will? That, I don't see - especially looking at what Michelle asked for. She got what she asked for. She just doesn't like him. When I was working, I had a cartoon posted in my office - a customer was saying, "That's exactly what I wanted and I don't like it."

Well, we know she DIDN'T want a man who looked like a genie!

I said this earlier, but now I really think this is true - they overall have an older group this time. I think that those people, especially the women, aren't really ready or maybe even able, to be in a normal relationship that includes compromising and being aware of another person's needs. I notice this especially with Michelle and Madison. It seems clear why these women have yet to find a significant other for any long period of time. They seem to want to continue their existing lives without consideration of what is required to share that life with another person. We have that type every season, it seems, but this season it seems to be more apparent.

I fully agree about Michelle. I was getting major, "I'm a good f'ing person and I deserve to get what I want," vibes (a la Alyssa). She can't even act like she wants to try. She hated him the minute she saw him. Even KNP on the Afterparty was appalled and said that she felt so sorry that Michelle was so mean to him. David said that he continued to sleep on the couch and when the cameras weren't there, there was NO conversation. Madison is not interested or attracted to Allen, either, but she isn't as cruel, although she did say that she would not be comfortable walking down the street with him, the way he is dressed. It is looking pretty evident that she and David may hook up. It's nice that he is comfortable with himself and his sense of style, but he doesn't have the looks to pull that off, sorry. And I agree that his birthmark is distracting. He is probably a nice guy, but they sure picked a weird group this time. Karla is ridiculous. She and Juan are ridiculous. They match in looks, but nothing else. I think it's interesting that they are both 'entrepreneurs.' That word must sound sexier than 'self-employed.' When they replayed her van speech about the power of the magic dick on Afterparty, I don't remember if it was Tom or Allen, but he was so embarrassed all over again. And Karla said that she stands by her advice and would say it again. I can't read Camille. She seems not to like some of Tom's comments, but she says she is still happy with the pairing. Emem and Ikechi seem like they are spouting all the words they read about feelings and thoughts, but I don't buy it. He is way too intense and is playing some role. He would be exhausting to be around, if that's how he is when the cameras aren't there. I hope the show gets more interesting, but as it is, I don't think I like any of these couples. Plus, I know it is my generation, but seeing all those tattoos on most of the men is a real turn-off for me. Which is sad, because David, despite his hair and body and tattoos, seems like a genuine nice guy. And HE is the one who works out? Or, was that a convenient set up to talk with Madison? They would never do something like that, would they?

I just read a transcript of an interview with Katy Couric and I was shocked to read how she said, "like," in almost every sentence. She USED to be a professional journalist and TV reporter. She didn't use to speak that way. I am now so aware of its misuse, I hesitate to even use the word correctly any more. Sorry to go OT, but we have to wait for tonight to get a new show.

They are going to kill Doug off on Thanksgiving?????

So did Steve! This seems like a really good fit.

Every season we see people matched with people who are "exactly what they asked for," and it doesn't work out. We also see people getting the exact opposite of what they "asked for," and then get scolded by the experts when there is no attraction. I do understand matching people with others who may have some qualities that are not what was requested because if people did so well with their own dating, why are they here? But, certain requests/requirements, such as religion, smoking, pets, wanting/not wanting children and other major life issues should not be ignored. ETA - I just had another thought. This year, the cast seems a bit older, in general. So, maybe they are more stuck in their ways and are going to challenge learning to think about someone else and not just party on their own when their spouse leaves early. It didn't even seem like it occurred to Madison to leave with Allen when he left. That sounded like eternal party girl from a few seasons ago, who was matched with an older guy. (His name was Eric. I will remember hers once I hit submit!) Aha - VirGINia!

I have pretty much the same reactions. I wanted to yell at Michelle (who I really do not like) every time she brings up his living arrangements - and she keeps bringing it up. What does she expect him to do right now while he is on his honeymoon, for crying out loud???? I think she has decided that she doesn't like him or want him and she is going to stick to this story until he walks out. She is nowhere near ready to be in any relationship where COMPROMISE is critical. I think David is pretty nice. I wouldn't like the smoking, and I think that this should have been one of those things that was disclosed before matching. But, they never should have been paired. I hope David is one of the ones who swaps spouses, if that actually happens. He seems like he could be a good partner. She does not. Karla and Juan are not even close to being compatible. They are pretty, vapid, people who look nice together. That is all. She is a flake and he is empty. I thought that when his father asked how she made her money, that it was a legitimate question and he wanted to know what she does. He didn't ask her if she was a hooker or anything like that. But, on Afterparty she explained that she loves what she does, but talking about money just ruins the mood. Emem and Ikechi are kind of strange, but he seems way more affectionate towards her when they are in the group. Was he serious that he is vegan and they matched him with someone who enjoys eating meat organs? Again, maybe they were asked and they expressed no preferences, but that seems like it could be an issue. Madison is not interested in compromising, either. Whenever they keep focusing on how they don't know each other and don't think about their partner instead of trying to get to know them better shows that they aren't ready. Again, if they stop putting everyone together on the honeymoons, it would make the couples focus on themselves and spend time getting to know each other instead of the constant comparisons between the couples. ("This couple is way more comfortable together and that makes me seem even more upset with who I am matched with.") So, I think Madison and Michelle are going to bail or use each other to make each other feel that they are ok for not feeling their "marriage." Camille and Tom might be OK, but I am, unfortunately getting a zero/five end game yeses. But, I am sad for David that he is going to try to work through something that has already been decided.

Didn't he mention that he was vaping?

@SanDiegoInExile, thanks, but I didn't even watch when I had Peacock for free when it first started on Cox. For me, it's not the $20. I already pay for Netflix, Paramount + (because that's where Criminal Minds is now), and Hulu, so there is no reason I want to pay more for a show I really don't care about anymore. I can read daily summaries, and most of the time, it is hard to just read them. I, like many of you, remember watching as a kid with my mother and just kept watching.

I don't have Peacock, so I don't even like READING about B&S. If people wanted to do a little funny take on soaps, then they should have done that in a one and done Halloween episode, or April Fool's joke. They used to do elaborate filler shows for those days. That is where I believe Body and Soul belonged. As it is, I don't think Abe will ever get his dignity back.

So, how much longer do we have for the B&S BS until it is away from the TV? If that's what it took to get rid of Re-Ron, hooray. Maybe that will show the producers that they are hurting themselves (and the viewers) filming questionable stories that NO ONE wants to see.

I know we are supposed to be talking about this current season, but since we didn't get a show this week, I have one more comment about Lindy. . .I just remember her saying that she wanted his medical benefits and she only worked part-time so she could travel, etc. She also was very clear that she did not want anyone to ask her to justify why she only worked the limited hours she did. As a physical therapist, I'm sure she could get many hours. But, she did strike me as entitled and kind of lazy - getting by on her extraordinary good looks. (She was cute, but that's about it.)

@Elizzikra, that reminds me of Miguel and his wife (forgot her name) who just wanted to get his medical benefits and didn't want to work on a regular basis, or be questioned about how much she worked. Lindy?