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    The Thirteenth Doctor: Jodie Whittaker

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    1 hour ago, tv-talk said:

    For me it's because NuWho is often times so overbearingly emo anyway that adding a romantic interest and the entire storyline that would go with the Doctor's romantic relationship would turn the show into the sci-fi version of chick lit and that's not a show I'd be interested in- tho tbh it wouldn't surprise me if it went there. For me anyway, Who is a SCI-FI first and foremost and I find it much more interesting when the Doctor and his/her companions are random interlopers to dire situations across space and time. 

    I can understand not wanting it to take over the show; I wouldn’t want that either. But if it could be small parts of episodes or every few episodes, I wouldn’t mind that. I just want the Doctor to be happy and not alone and maybe start another family. But I guess there would also be the fear it would take away from the Doctor’s adventuring or have people wondering if the Doctor should be spending more time with family and not putting their life in danger so much

    The Thirteenth Doctor: Jodie Whittaker

    in Doctor Who

    · Edited by DanaK

    I don’t particularly like the Doctor being romantically involved with a human who is pretty young, like in their early 20s at best, so I wasn’t really thrilled with the Doctor/Rose relationship (or the Doctor/Clara relationship but that was a weird case). It would be the same reason I wouldn’t be for a 13/Yaz relationship, given Yaz is 19/20 at this point, along with barely knowing this 2000+ year alien. Which is why I would prefer an older, more experienced partner for the Doctor, like River was (but she also was a special case)

     

    4 hours ago, Jacqs said:

    When Wesley Crusher was initially being proposed as a teenage girl called Leslie Crusher, a lot of the pitched storyline ideas involved romance, just because the character would be a girl.

    Why should Thirteen have romance stories in a way that wouldn't be expected for her male predecessors?

    For me, I don’t see it any different than the New Who male doctors who had romances (long or short), except I don’t want to see 13 with a young Companion

     

    I’ve seen some fans say they don’t want to see the Doctor (any incarnation) in any kind of romance or relationship. My question is why? I can see not wanting it to be with a Companion, especially a young one, but why not a relationship in general? The Doctor is clearly lonely and is clearly capable of love. Just because they are a powerful alien doesn’t mean they don’t deserve or shouldn’t have fun or have a long term partner. Is it the fear it would take over the show and be too soapy or something else?

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    The Thirteenth Doctor: Jodie Whittaker

    in Doctor Who

    · Edited by DanaK

    7 hours ago, tv-talk said:

    I fully understand that NuWho was aimed at broadening the appeal of the show and character, and I think that's terrific. However if the Doctor is going to have a significant other as a Companion that's it for me, really don't think I would bother watching. No I certainly don't expect the show to adhere to Classic Who guidelines but it's really just not The Doctor anymore if there is a girlfriend or boyfriend along for the ride. That said I thought River Song was done brilliantly with the fact they were headed opposite directions in time meaning the "wife" aspect wasnt fully realized. That's as close as I need to get to the Doctor being fully romantically involved with anyone. Just my $.02 

    Personally, because of the power angle and because it's his/her ship, I wouldn't want the Doctor to be involved with a companion if the person didn't start out as a boyfriend/girlfriend. I wouldn't mind if 13 got a girlfriend who might later become a wife (and didn't go along on the adventures) as long as it remained a small part of the show (as the show is about the Doctor and his/her adventures). Being a new viewer, I wasn't around with Classic Who treating the Doctor as if he was asexual and was his companion's Uncle-like mentor. At the same time, with new Who, I don't particularly like the Doctor having a thing with companions who are mesmerized by the Doctor and fall in love with him without really knowing what he's about. It's like they can't separate adventuring with the Doctor and having feelings towards him/her

    At the same time, I don't understand classic Who wanting to keep the Doctor mysterious and thus ignoring a lot of the Doctor's inner life. Part of that may have been about keeping things "proper" in those earlier times. New Who has the Doctor more front and center and we get to know him/her better, including romances. Of course, one could argue that the Doctor Classic Who didn't want to get involved with anyone after losing his family, but then things changed with New Who

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    The Thirteenth Doctor: Jodie Whittaker

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    · Edited by DanaK

    54 minutes ago, Lantern7 said:

    Seriously, given that Time Lords at least have the potential to cross gender lines completely, I don't think their sexuality and those of humans aren't comparable.

    Just to clarify, you think the sexuality of a Time Lord is comparable to a human, like human sexual labels can be used properly to refer to them? Or you don't think that? Or in other words, can you restate that without a double negative lol?

    The Thirteenth Doctor: Jodie Whittaker

    in Doctor Who

    Just now, ketose said:

    Going back to the Hartnell days, he was supposedly traveling through time with his granddaughter, which would imply that he had a wife and children. I also believe Tennant's Doctor mentioned being a father once to Donna. I think we can be reasonably certain that the Doctor is hetero, but any other spectrum identity is more speculation.

    Hetero so far, but of course if 13 has a relationship with a woman, she’ll be gay (which she likely won’t care about)

    The Thirteenth Doctor: Jodie Whittaker

    in Doctor Who

    I have a question about the Doctor’s sexual orientation. An article I read the other day about whether the Doctor can ethically have a relationship with a companion stated at the end that the Doctor was pansexual, which didn’t make sense to me. In all the stuff I’ve read about the show’s history on Wikipedia and seen onscreen so far, all the relationships the Doctor has had (since New Who at least; most previous Doctors seemed to be mostly treated as asexual) have been with women (though obviously different alien species, particularly humans). I know Captain Jack had a thing for the Doctor, but it wasn’t reciprocated. So has the Doctor been shown having any real interest in anything other than women (I think the assumption is that his late family included a wife)? I’ve seen many fans wanting to see 13 in a relationship and many assume it would be with a woman, which makes sense to me assuming the Doctor’s interest has been only or primarily towards women

    The Thirteenth Doctor: Jodie Whittaker

    in Doctor Who

    · Edited by DanaK

    On 2/15/2019 at 11:39 AM, Jacqs said:

    When it comes to both Missy and Thirteen, the show has been unwilling to address the problems of gender dysphoria. 

    For example in the real world, If a girl-to-boy trans person DOESN'T have gender affirming reconstructive surgery, there is a high chance of happening to them what happened to Brandon Teena when some good ole' boy hicks found out Brandon still had v-ulva, v-agina etc - they raped and murdered him. 

    If they DO have reconstructive surgery, they may still not being able to feel a "real" man and may even take their own life, as David Reimer did. (he was forcibly surgically re-assigned into "Brenda" as a baby in a monstrous "is it nature or is it nurture?" gender experiment).

    Why should the show address this as any big thing? Time Lords are, you know, Time Lords. They regularly change bodies and it was established since the show’s revival that they can regenerate into a man or woman without any indication of a problem, some or most being able to choose their next form (the latter possibly addressed in classic Who as well). So they are gender fluid and not hung up on labels like humans are. Other than having to get used to a new body and new personality, why should gender be an ongoing negative issue? I think the Doctor indicated a blasé attitude about it in the Series 10 two part finale in a conversation with Bill Potts, noting said human hangup on labels. In the Series 11 premiere, she was briefly surprised when told she was a woman but then seemed to accept it pretty easily, though in Episode 3’s Rosa, when addressed as Madam, she commented to herself that she still hadn’t quite gotten used to that. In general, the Doctor as a woman just acts her usual past self, like bulling her way into taking charge, and she only has an issue with it when others make it an issue. She in fact delights in participating in women things in Demons of the Punjab. The Master had some fits about it when he met his future female self Missy in the same Series 10 finale, but he was a jerk and a psychopath anyway. So like the honey badger, a Time Lord don’t care 🙂 I suppose a particular Time Lord could have a major issue with it, but that would likely be rare

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    Doctor Who in the Media

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    Anyone who likes Tennant and/or Whittaker should try to listen to the podcast interview. It’s a lot of fun. One thing that surprised me was that they set the show in Sheffield because Chibnall having a connection, not because of Whittaker

    Doctor Who in the Media

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    · Edited by DanaK

    Doctor #10 David Tennant's podcast interview with current incumbent Jodie Whittaker https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/jodie-whittaker/id1450005207?i=1000429677359&mt=2

    Jodie comes across really well like I thought from previous interviews. She tends to have some panic about some things though, like trying not to overthink things and working to get into the character of the Doctor in the audition phases. If it were me, I would have probably stressed far too much about it

    S11.E06: Demons Of The Punjab

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    I think one of the few things I would have changed would be to have Ryan and Graham escort Umbreen and her mother as they escaped to Pakistan and just have The Doctor and Yaz watch as Prem confronts his brother and the others and walk away as he’s shot. Ryan and Graham weren’t really needed in that scene

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    S11.E06: Demons Of The Punjab

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    · Edited by DanaK

    After rewatching this multiple times, sometimes just parts of it, this remains my favorite episode of the season. The look, the feel, the music, the emotion of it, just continues to move me, especially the last 10 minutes. I really appreciate the composer making a real effort to make the score with South Asian musicians and multiple instruments

    Also, according to a BTS feature on the Blu Ray, they (possibly the BBC?) juggled episodes a bit to make sure this was shown on Remembrance Day

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    The Thirteenth Doctor: Jodie Whittaker

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    1 hour ago, ketose said:

    If not staged, "replicated" or "improved" might be more accurate. The NAACP knew about Claudette Colvin and Rosa Parks had ties to the NAACP. All this just tends to show that demonstrations would (and did) increase in size and frequency until national civil rights laws were passed in the US.

    It wasn’t just that Rosa worked for the NAACP; she was also seen as older, employed, reliable, married and more mature. Not really fair to Colvin, but stuff happens

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    S11.E03: Rosa

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    I have to say I’m impressed by the show making the effort to get small and less well known details right for this episode. Things like: the bus driver’s name and his confrontation with Rosa years before, black passengers paying at the front but having to get off and enter at the back, Rosa actually being in the black section when she was told to move (many mistakenly think she was in the white section), all the black passengers in a row having to move back when one or more white passengers needed a seat, and possibly other things I didn’t notice or forgot. As said in a BTS video though, they did have to fudge on where Yaz would sit because their research didn’t give them a definitive answer

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    The Thirteenth Doctor: Jodie Whittaker

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    Rosa did not stage the incident according to the official sources and Rosa herself. It was not planned and Rosa had not realized that was the same bus driver who forced her off years before. Another bus driver might not have bothered to have her arrested. What was planned was figuring out which case to take to court. The NAACP decided Rosa was a better case as opposed to a pregnant unwed teenager who refused to move 6 months before

    I think the show’s conceit is that certain points in history are sensitive and needed all the right conditions to happen the way it happened. That was certainly the belief the Doctor was working under. There are certain events that are fixed points in time and can’t be changed without bad stuff happening and then there are points in time where things can be nudged to change the events, which Krasko was doing

    I’ll concede that Krasko was a weak villain who was easily defeated, but the bigger villain was the racist system at the time

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    Doctor Who in the Media

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    15 hours ago, Llywela said:

    The Doctor has already been to China - way back in 1964 he spent a mammoth seven-episode epic travelling across China with Marco Polo

    I think the article author meant actually filming in China as opposed to it being a story setting

    The Thirteenth Doctor: Jodie Whittaker

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    26 minutes ago, Llywela said:

    Yeah, I've been confused by complaints about the 'SJW agenda' all season. Doctor Who has always attempted to be progressive. Sometimes the show gets it right. Sometimes it comes across as heavy-handed and preachy. That has literally always been true, since 1963. I honestly fail to see what this season did that was any different than anything the show has ever done, to be labelled as having a specific 'head-bonking liberal social agenda'.

    Having a female lead and 2 minority companions seems to be one major difference. Chibnall focused more on man’s inhumanity to man instead of Moffat’s twisty tales but different showrunners focus on different things

    Also to point out, progressive views change with the times so the show may be more understanding of certain views than the past, but I don’t see how that can be seen as wrong

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    The Thirteenth Doctor: Jodie Whittaker

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    26 minutes ago, tv-talk said:

    White men, like everyone else these days, are very sensitive. That's fine too, literally all people everywhere complain about everything in today's society, but I would like to hear specific examples from this season that are evidence of pushing an "SJW" agenda or "PC" stuff. That said I didnt even watch the Rosa Parks episode because just the thought of a new Doctor and new showrunner trying to tackle that subject from a BBC perspective seemed like a potential debacle to me and I'd imagine that one was chalk-full of "white men are evil" messaging.

    Let me point out as an American that the foreigners surprised me and did a great job with Rosa and made sure the character of Rosa made her own decisions instead of the Doctor doing it for her. It was great, well done episode. It was far from a debacle. The message was that the racist system was keeping Black people down and Rosa pushed back against it and helped ignite the Civil Rights movement, and the Doctor needed to keep that on track. White people and those in authority at the time were part of keeping that system going and it’s not wrong to point that out. It was accurate for the time and so was the present day racism in Britain pointed out by Ryan and Yaz, and wanting to bury your head in the sand about it helps no one, especially given the renewed rise in racism these days

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    The Thirteenth Doctor: Jodie Whittaker

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    5 hours ago, tv-talk said:

    I dont think we'd be hearing so much about that if the Doctor wasnt a woman, past Doctors new and old addressed social issues- virtually all sci-fi does.

    I continue to not understand this “PC agenda” rap given the show has always been socially liberal and progressive and took up social issues. And like, how is it wrong to condemn bigotry and hate and allow women and minorities equal chances to important roles in front of and behind the camera?

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    The Thirteenth Doctor: Jodie Whittaker

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    15 minutes ago, ketose said:

     

    I think it's entirely possible that critics like the show now and fans hate it. Critics hated the show when fans loved it, too. Plus, DW has never been a big money maker for the BBC. They're starting to shelve it like they did around Series 20 with Colin Baker. After 13 years, this new version may just have run its course.

    I’m not sure how you define that but I think DW is the BBC’s biggest show and money maker especially with it being so global. And I think taking a gap year is more for the producers wanting to make a quality show rather than the BBC wanting to shelve it, esp given so many British shows take gap years. I do think the show was headed down during the Capaldi era with the ratings falling to lows so the BBC was open to major changes to bring back viewers, thus ejecting the twisty storytelling and making it more accessible and making the Doctor more likable. I guess we’ll see how things go with Series 12

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