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Not to be spoilery, but so far, he isn't a dickish dick in House of the Dragon. So far. It's only two episodes. But don't all McTavish characters eventually become dickish dicks? He's toned down the burr a bit, and I'm no a fan, ye ken?

Yes, I think it would be a depressing story. Show us this great love story and then she dies. And then their daughter is nearly raped and definitely assaulted. And their son is beaten within an inch of his life and flogged twice, which leads to his father's death. So yeah...think I'll pass on this one. Feel like the ending of Atonement would be more joyful than this.

1,000% this. We know how Jamie’s parents got together. How about some info on Claire and how/why she can time travel?

Side note - I'm reading "Born Fighting" which is a book about the Scots Irish and how their way of life and settling of America impacts our culture today. As an Outlander fan, it is freaking fascinating, and so often, I catch myself nodding my head and picturing Jamie Fraser.

So jealous. Those first time Outlander feels can really run the gamut of emotions.

Spat water all over the screen!

Yeah, that was a pleasant surprise for me, because I've never been a William fan. And even more amazing - I actually enjoyed his interactions with Bree the most, and I'm absolutely not a Bree fan. They are so blah and booooooooooring. 100% this. This is maybe my Chief complaint of the whole thing. She is the main character, and what does she actually do. Even the big thing she did do - heal people with her sudden blue light magic - was so poorly written that I honestly didn't realize what was happening or if it really happened. Hated this. I haven't read them either, nor do I want to and nor do I think I should need to to make sure I understand what is going on. Those are spinoffs for a reason. Bree did tell Lord John about being a time traveler, and then Claire confirmed when she and LJG were married.

Is it weird that I wanted that, too? Jamie is supposed to be an excellent shot. Take someone out Mac Dubh! Definitely. I think it all clicked for him there. Me too. I wish all of this had been more of a minor plot point on the way to the Revolution. I think the Bugs and the gold is a more compelling storyline from Book 6. 110% agree. Yes. Ian trails Jamie and Claire after Brown takes them. The scene in the bushes with Jamie and Ian is from the book. When Brown breaks J&C apart, Ian goes with Jamie, who yells at Ian to follow Claire. Jamie and Ian regroup and start tracking Claire, who ends up in a jail cell with a petty thief, she delivers a baby, and tries to befriend the warden's drunkard wife. The Governor's aid comes to the jail looking for a midwife and takes Claire to the Governor's mansion to tend to the Governor's wife. While she's there, she becomes his secretary. When things start to turn politically for him, he takes her to a ship offshore. As they are leaving for the ship, Jamie sees her. She never actually has a trial. Tom Christie comes to the ship to confess, and eventually Jamie comes to the ship to get Claire. It's all a whirlwind and more than a little eyeroll inducing, so I hope we get a condensed version of that nonsense in Season 7. Agree with a point in the Show only thread that it would have been so good if Claire heard Donner whistling in the jail cell and then the show fades to black. What was the point of showing him earlier in the season to do nothing with it, especially something so obvious?

Here we are. Another Droughtlander, and I think it'll be ok. A modicum of faith has been restored to me after watching last night's episode, which felt like a return to a better form. Loved - - The shootout at the "OG-Big House" was exciting. Like on the edge of my seat exciting. Badass Claire is perhaps my favorite Claire. There you are, honey. I missed you, Badass Claire! When she comes blazing out of the breezeway packing musket heat - Yes, Girl!! Shoot that baddie in the guts! - Loved the Fraser arsenal in the basement. When you know what the future holds, you get yourself prepared. Smart move. - I've seen it criticized a bit, but I actually loved the fireside conversation regarding Jamie's Nine Lives. I was so pleased to see that brought into the show. The broken glass gave a lovely shimmer to the scene. Claire telling Jamie that she was scared was so so so good. - Sam nailed Jamie this week. Finally, that's my JAMMF. Playing with Claire's hair by the fire, rubbing her sore knuckles, shooting Brown's hat out of his hands, that's Jamie Fraser. - Tom Christie, Welcome to "Not a Total Asshat" territory. This actor, the way he plays him, damn. That look he gave Claire while they were sitting on the hill, double damn. Jamie catching that look, OH DAMN! Loved the whole exchange. - Ian. I love this character and this actor. He has been such a bright spot all season. The beach rescue was amazing and so unexpected. I initially thought the Show was condensing storylines and Jamie would get on the ship and end up in Scotland, but the flying arrows and the arrival of Bird was so awesome that I sat up and cheered. What a great addition! The shot through the hand was incredible! Not So Much Love - - The Traveling Mackenzies. Snooooooooooooze. The sex scene was something the world just didn't need right now. Like, not at all. Or ever. I was sad to see the mole thing happen without Jamie and Claire. Claire is the one who told Roger that those things are hereditary, and it created such a wholesome family moment for all of them. I missed that here, though I did love Jemmy talking to the baby. Makes me feel like the show is setting up their super sibling powers. - The Fisher Folk. This is a stupid plot from DG. These people suck and they need to go away. I want Arch to walk around and put eviction notices on their shitty cabins. And the Ardsmuir guys. Yeah, thanks for showing up. Like me walking into a meeting that wasn't on my calendar - late and confused. - There was so much action and is was really exciting, but then we saw J&C ride bounce around in a wagon for a looooong time. Some of that could have been condensed into not as many stops. Sometimes, more show is just more show. I appreciate the additional minutes as long as it goes somewhere. If we had removed the MacKenzies or some wagon scenes, could we have gotten closer to a resolution to Claire's situation? - Claire in a jail cell. This is where it ends? Really? Me too. This is so tired. Even the old lady's lines were recycled from Season 1. Same. Everyone else is so good. Even last night, Oakes was so good. I can't make peace with the Bree casting, and I feel really bad about it. Yes, I think. She was talking about the Battle of Lexington and Concord. Yes, I think that's where I am, too. I was so disappointed after reading Bees. I embarrassingly moped around for days when I finished it. There's bad DG, and we can all fume about it and move on, but I couldn't move on from Bees for a long time. I even tried to read it again about a month ago, and I just couldn't. I feel like my feelings for Bees have skewed my impressions of this season a bit.

It's like you read my post in the BookTalk thread (and I know you didn't because spoilers and such). We are so aligned in our feels. PAH-REACH! Wait, what? This is a time-travel show?!?!

We like the same things.

Same, girl. Same. I'm really excited for the Revolution bits in the next two books. I hope we get to them! Show me the chaos of the Ticonderoga evacuation. Let me see Ian go at it with an Abenaki at Monmouth. Let's do this!

First, I agree with and appreciate your entire post. You conveyed what I've been feeling so well, so thanks! I agree, I feel like it is a striking change and it has to be a choice that was made to show a wiser Jamie. Yes! Spot on. Or even him frantically running to light the Fiery Cross in Journeycake. Yes, YES, and YASSSSSSSS!!!!!!!! Messy Jamie is the best Jamie, both physically and emotionally. Thank you! I'm passionate about my OL. I tend to get overly fiery about things, it's just who I am. I'm a little bit Claire. And also, since we typed about tea on Tuesday, every ad on my social media is from the Art of Tea. Every. Single. Ad. Hear hear! This is a terrible DG plot hole that the show didn't fix. It was stupid in the Buik, and it is stupid here. Many of these people owe their lives to Jamie and Claire. Further, there had to be gossip about Malva running around. It's not like she was being discreet. These people have no problem gossiping about Claire, but no one knew anything about Malva's behavior?

I think we generally, agree, right? No? Same! Interesting! I have felt that there was a lot of "tea" talk this season, but I chalked it up to historical fan-service to the Boston Tea Party. In reality, there would have been shortages due to British blockades of Colonial ports during that time. But, I think you're on to something. And also, as a fan of tea, I think I need this stuff! Agree. I remember thinking it was outrageous when I read the book and at one point being like "SHE DID WHAT!!" It didn't feel right here. I was speaking figuratively. I'm just missing them and want them to have more screen time. Ok ok. As much as I didn't enjoy this one, I'm willing to go and check it out again. I do recall Jamie doing some hard swallows, like clearing a lump in his throat, during Claire's breakdown. But I still agree with the statement below, too...

I hear you, but I did appreciate Jamie's calm tone with Claire, when she was flagellating herself about her selfish choices creating so much trouble. He was supposed to be the voice of reason and calm, I think, saying without her choices there would be no Brianna, no Fergus, no Jemmie, and that those are great things that came out of her choices. I did enjoy that scene. I did too, actually. Someone in the Show Only thread gave a great take on Claire's personality type and why this is so much harder for her. I wont copy it, because I don't want to inadvertently bring them to the Spoiler thread, but basically, Claire is a Type A "doer" and when you are a doer, you're a fixer and if you can't fix something, you take it much harder than you maybe would otherwise. Anyway, that viewer said it much more eloquently than I just said it, but you get the gist. Agree 100%. It cant be easy to play that person, so I have a great deal of respect for him. YES!!! I just said this to someone else (so if you are reading this again, I'm sorry for being redundant) but Claire's family really bothered me. She has no support system. It frustrates me that no one could see or cared to see that she hasn't been ok. No one bothered to take her aside and ask her a simple "How are you?" I'm sure I'm just sensitive to it, but it really bothers me. No one said a word until she came to them, to Jamie, and even then his initial response to her admission that she was huffing ether was so unemotive. He had a stronger reaction to Fergus's alcoholism, which I realize was more noticeable, but this is CLAIRE. This is the woman who, when reunited with her, he told her that the best part of having her there was that he could talk to her and tell her anything. Don't you think she deserves the same? This is different from the book, because she didn't act this troubled and adrift in the book, so there would have been no reason for someone to be particularly attuned to her, unless she was having one of her flashbacks. In the show, they made her dependent upon the ether and made her have a greater, more realistic reaction to her trauma. And it's like no one cares. Claire is abducted, meh. Raped, ok. Is betrayed by a loved one, who cares. Accused of murder, so? It makes me so sad for her and so angry at everyone for being this unfeeling about it. I want someone to be mad for her! Marsali would care. Marsali would have asked and been raging pissed at everyone for accusing her of this.

Hi All, My name is Sassy and I love Outlander. But I dinna love it last night (or this morning). Not one little bit. I almost started rage typing here around 11:00 pm EST, but I held off. Now, I realize that I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed. (Read that in your best "Mom Voice.") I've always said that a bad hour of Outlander is better than a lot of good hours of other shows, and I suppose that still holds true. But in a season of 8 episodes, I don't think you can afford to have, nor should you actually have, a bad hour of Outlander. And let's be real, we've sat through some bad hours of Outlander in the past - Season 1 - The Search --> But at least we had Murtaugh, and Claire was so clearly in love with Jamie. Season 2 - The Fox's Lair --> But Jamie and Claire are together and working together, so the more stupid parts of the plot are palatable. Season 3 - Creme de Menthe --> But Jamie and Claire are newly reunited, so let's overlook the whole unnecessary lobotomy. Season 4 - Most of It --> Eh....but we're building a new life on the Ridge, so... Season 5 - Mercy Shall Follow Me --> Yeah, it's a lot of Bree, but at least we get rid of Stephen Bonnet by the end. This episode...shit. I don't even know. Who are these people!!!! Random Confluence of my Episodic Thoughts (Please note, I just pulled my hair into a ponytail because shit's 'bout to get real) - - Jamie --> This is NOT my JAMMF. WTAF! Why does he have no emotion? Get effing emotional!! This is not the guy who yelled at Claire that she was ripping his guts out. This is not the guy who sobbed as she relayed to him how their baby was lost. This is not the guy who sobbed as he was leaving his son. Who TF is this guy? Your wife is standing in front of you, having a total emotional breakdown, and you stare at her wide-eyed? People are making gross accusations about your wife and you just stand there and take it? No thank you, sir. BuikJamie WOULD NEVER. And this portrayal of a cooler Jamie pisses me off. BuikJamie wrote a resignation note to the one and only George Washington in Claire's blood because he couldn't stand to be parted from her. BuikJamie senses something was wrong with Claire after she saw her rapist and hunted the man down and killed him. ShowJamie...THIS guy...can't tell that something is up with her for weeks? THIS guy, after hearing her tell him that she has been taking ether to help her sleep, lets her go downstairs by herself for a cup of tea AGAIN?! WTAF! I don't understand these choices, and I hate them. - Jamie, again --> I get that Sam is gorgeous. And has Jamie, I find him to be incredibly attractive, bad wigs and all. But I feel like occasionally, he's objectified on this show, especially now that Cait is pregnant (during filming). The views of him laying on the bed, perfectly lit, they're just odd. It feels a little fetish-y. I know, this is Outlander, there are a lot of fetishy things. - Cait --> My goodness. This woman. She blows me away. While I strongly feel that Sam has phoned it in a lot this season, she hasn't. In an episode that I largely hated, I loved her. - Bree --> I strongly suspect that the lack of Bree interactions with other people has little to do Covid protocol and a lot to do with the actress just being completely unable to carry a scene. She wasn't good last night, and I don't mean to harp on her, but c'mon. She has so few lines every week, and even those aren't delivered well. I did a total facepalm during the dinner scene when she said something to Jamie like "Is she <Claire> alright?" Is sounded so forced and wooden. That's your mother, honey, have some feeling. And her interactions with Roger were so cringe. - Malva --> The intro with her in the church was a good choice. It was creepy to see her brother in the background continuously, which was also a good choice. Her words were so earnest because they were true, only they were about Allan and not Jamie. - The Truple --> It's a funny storyline, but it fell really flat for me. Lizzie and Bros. are no Angus and Rupert. There's a lot of traumatic shit going on at the Ridge right now, and throwing this storyline in there as comedic relief felt really misplaced. Also, the final scene with Bree, Roger, Jamie, and Claire when they put together that Lizzie married two men was odd. They were all like, "Welp, that's weird! Gotta go!" - Lionel Brown --> Pretty sure we've seen him more than Fergus and Marsali this season, which is just wrong. He was creepy as hell, and that was done in such a great way. The moment where Jamie sees Claire distraught, rushing from her surgery because she sees Lionel in there, and then Jamie leads her back in, when Jamie turns and Lionel comes into the frame...wow...highlight of the episode. YES!! Why is he not paying more attention to her?!! Literally, me screaming at the tv in with my best Nancy Kerrigan impression "Why God, Why?????" I think this was one of the first episodes they filmed, so no, she wasn't close yet. She would have been in early pregnancy, which from my experiences, can be really awful, so maybe it was for her. The exhausted look was probably accurate though given that she isn't really sleeping. And yes, the Truple is completely skim-worthy. It added nothing to this. She was, but she's also the one that made Claire sick. Malva counted on Claire dying and was surprised when she didn't. That's when the whole Baby Daddy plot came about.

This is beautifully stated. Thank you.

People - My best friend, who doesn't know he's my best friend, just recapped this episode. Like Malva, I'm dead. (Too soon?) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udEBIYbDrAI

It was. It didn't originate with Hamilton (which I haven't actually scene either). It was a British folk song and had been used in England since the 1600s. No one really knows if the Brits sung it as they fell at Yorktown. They probably didn't, but it has become American folklore because it is appropriate for such a historical event - the world's most potent military power is trounced by a bunch of farmers, shopkeepers and regular guys doing extraordinary things in a battle that basically ends the Revolutionary War. The World as it was then, was Turned Upside Down. A bunch of upstart rebels overthrew the most powerful country in the world at that time.

I could be wrong, as this was likely one of the "hmmm, this looks like a good part to skim" moments in the book series, but isn't there a scene in ABOSAA where the Frasers received a care package of sorts from Auntie Jo and in it was a batch of newspapers from Wilmington detailing either Lexington and Concord or the Boston Tea Party and the papers were 6 months old? News would likely reach the larger coastal cities relatively quickly due to trade, packet boats, etc. and could be printed in shops there, but it would be weeks until those papers made it to the back country homesteads.

Fingers crossed! The "Claire as a Prisoner but now as a Midwife but now as a Secretary" shenanigans were really tiresome. Yes and YES! I eventually came around to Tom Christie in the Books, and I'm really enjoying the Show's portrayal of him. I'm ready for some war action. I know they couldn't really get into it this season because of Covid filming protocols, but I want to see some battle scenes. Personally, I'm so excited to see the Battle of Monmouth on the Show, and dammit, it had better happen!

Preach. I would rather cross the Delaware in my bare feet in the midst of a blizzard to attack some drunk, but still scary, Hessians than to ever deal with the Christies again. The Revolution was ugly, but the Christies are uglier.

Oh yes! This was such a great addition to the already superb book dialogue. I thought this was so wonderful and honest. Who hasn't felt this way, even occasionally? Especially when you aren't feeling your best or like your normal self. I'm so sorry, for you, that you are now part of the "I love it but I'm kinda disappointed" Club but I am happy that you are here with us. :-)

OMG! I'm snort laughing!

Yes. DG is writing a prequel on Ellen and Brian. Sadly, nothing on Claire's family because we don't need to know how she inherited the ability to time travel or anything like that.