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Bethenny, it seems to me, runs her twitter as if she’s a regular non famous person in that sometimes she expresses herself like lots of people would. However, because she’s Bethenny, nearly everything she says and does it attacked and criticized. I like how she turned it around to asking people to share what they were doing when they heard. After today she may rethink sharing any personal thoughts anywhere. I would understand if she did. I think I’m done here.

Hah! I hear you and don’t disagree. It’s just that PTSD changes a person a lot and I’m trying to give her some benefit of the doubt due to the losses Hahaha I know right?! But I believe Carole lies, all the time, about everything but especially about herself. That was such a weird thing for her to throw out suddenly, I immediately thought she was told the reverse but it horrified her. Like when she flipped out on Aviva about the ghostwriter accusation... seemed over the top and not credible Yeah. This for real. B dodged a bullet. She’s getting better at that and I’m happy for her progress spotting these people. They can wreck your life if you let them in or let them get too close. That’s why she shut Ramona down with “Noted” - she’s not feeding the trolls anymore.

I think Carole has been playing a role up until this season or possibly the months just before filming the season. Adam broke up with her or they were on the outs. Bethenny didn’t invite her to the Hampton’s much. Carole had to turn back to old friends and those old friends are from judgmental lifestyles and cliques. Journalism, production tv (vs. Reality tv) etc. I think Carole just found herself again which was perhaps the idea all along...for this show to help her move forward in her life. This is the real Carole I think. And I don’t like her much but that’s ok. If she’s being herself, that’s fair. Wish she would just admit it however instead of scapegoating other women.

@queenjen I’m so sorry for your loss. Be gentle with yourself.

Ah, it’s nature of the show I think. That was a vicious reunion pileup. One of my first posts this season, I shared thought that Carole has PTSD. No shame in that for her. I do think she’s not mentally well since those 3 died and has been in a kind of limbo. I hope she gets well. Lashing out at B isn’t helping her. http://brainblogger.com/2015/01/24/how-does-post-traumatic-stress-disorder-change-the-brain/

Same. I’m in medicine world for various reasons and this opioid crisis has been escalating for years. Physicians have been devastated by the harm they’ve caused, as have patients obviously. Here in Canada there have been detailed reports about it. Government page on opioid crisis https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/substance-use/problematic-prescription-drug-use/opioids/apparent-opioid-related-deaths.html Epidemic nationwide, it’s made drug addicts in neighbourhood homes instead of addicts on the street. This compounded the problem because it was hidden so nobody knew it was happening or worsening for some time. Bethenny is also grieving. Grief is a beast. She wasn’t wrong to express herself and she was correct too. Veer into medical twitter and B was very tame yet on point. She’s blunt but she’s effective. I understand people think she’s insensitive. She’s strong, that’s the issue in part....she’s been through fire and survived. But not everyone is ready for when she speaks these truths. It’s hard to take I understand but i appreciate her speaking up. Prominent voices of experience and caring create healing and positive change.

Wow... Luann’s voice is so high! And blonde hair! But it’s her voice that’s a surprise. Love the Jovani

That was never her narrative. There was the episode where she took Dorinda and introduced some of the people she was working with to help PR. And Bethenny did refer them as a team and more experienced than her as they’d also helped in Haiti. Bethenny was definitely working with skilled rescue people.

Oh I had one or two. Bethenny is not the narcissist. She’s a hard working woman who pulls off nearly everything she undertakes and also does a lot of good charity and volunteer work. It makes her look good, fine. She’s not doing it for that reason in my opinion. I genuinely cannot fathom seeing, hearing, and reading about Bethenny’s efforts in PR and still slamming her for it. All the evidence, details, testimony from those working with her, it’s all there. I legit do not get this hate for her.

Ughhhhh I’m on twitter. I’ve deliberately not looked a their accounts. I don’t follow any celebs or HWs. I’m on there for cats, design, world news, tornado warnings and some farms in Ireland. But damnit I will look now because of the worrying... ETA: she’s not been on since late August. I hope she’s ok. I think Carole is distancing to help Scott get away from Tinsley maybe? Guessing.

I’ve always thought, since she and Andy were true friends off camera, that he begged her to join the cast. At the time, the show was losing viewers, they desperately needed a good draw and I think Carole may have needed it for her mental health too. This is all in my imagination, I admit! I still say, losing those 3 in her life so close together, plus her husband being ill all during marriage, destabilized Carole. I think maybe she’s so forgiving and tolerant of Dorinda too, because they share the same feeling of deep loss and not liking where their lives ended up. I wouldn’t be surprised if both Carole and Dorinda are permanently wounded grieving souls, and I’m not criticizing that. It happens to all types of people. They’re just not usually getting drunkor being abusive on our tv shows in real life.

Ah. Here’s a photo of Bessette hugging Anthony...seems to be in her wedding dress. I think at best, Bessette was kind and friendly to Carole because JFK Jr was besties with Anthony. I feel bad for Carole but then remember her mean moments...sigh...

Have just realized there aren’t photos of Carole with any Kennedy or Radziwill family members except in group shots. There are several of Bessette with everyone nearly, including Maria Shriver Also recall Aviva saying nobody in her family respects Carole which seemed weird inside baseball info but now I wonder. When Carole first joined HW I read her blogs and they were so good, so well written. I’ve not kept up with blogs for years now so hearing her writing has deteriorated makes me wonder if she did have a ghostwriter.

It’s interesting seeing Carole diss Tinsley this way and then the photos of Lee with Carolyn Bessette. I had the impression from reading What Remains that Bessette viewed and treated Carole much the same way Carole is now with Tinsley. I said before I think Carole has PTSD and also that she’s emulating Carolyn during these RHONY years... it’s a guess but I sincerely wonder now. Bessette was always being critical of Carole, much the way Bethenny did but Bethenny actually treated Carole as a friend and showed affection too. In WR book, there’s little affection between the two women.... I can’t remember any affection actually. Bessette would turn to Lee Radziwill as she was skilled and experienced with a high profile public role. Carole was not.... so really, Carole was Tinsley. Ive given myself a headache now trying to make sense of dead people’s past relationships.

Grief is such a hot optic these days, you’re all probably calling it right. That could allow for Jill to appear as a friend or something but I hope not. As a season theme tho, I’m with everyone in not wanting to have grief be a storyline. It’s too sad.