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If you've been reading the thread, I have repeated said that Lorelai was to blame for lying about her feelings. I've also said that it is inexcusable to expect your partner to be a mind reader and play passive-aggressive mind F and then get mad later bc they took you on your word. [In other words, I TOTALLY agree with you.] However, as a married person (and someone who has experienced various relationships), I also know that sometimes people are shoving their feelings down in order to seem like they're supportive and they really are hurting inside. And despite the fact that it's their job to be upfront with you and honest with you, sometimes you have to do the legwork and push until you get the truth. I know that many of us have been guilty of taking the "fine" response when we know it's easier than opening up a can of worms. Luke only got concerned when she went missing at the end and was otherwise blithely accepting whatever was convenient. As for Luke saying he used April to push Lorelai away, I saw that as a half-ass reconciliation/explanation of a really stupid plot of S6....and an attempt to give him an emotional IQ point so we could stop being so fed up with his nonsensical compartmentalization.

By keeping them separated, by putting their relationship on hold, and by yelling and screaming every time Lorelai tried to say or do anything besides nod her head re: April. Face it. Luke accepted Lorelai's "fines" bc it was easy and convenient. Not bc they were true.

How did Luke know where Christopher lived?

This is exactly correct. What is weird about this is that the correct way of dealing with this is NOT to just not ever call and give your boyfriend the silent treatment. So I don't know why Rory was surprised Logan thought they were broken up. I agree that Lorelai was rash and a bit ridiculous on ultimatum day (AND she should have been honest about NOT being fine), but Luke really did a horrible job of keeping tabs on what was going on in his relationship. I mean, come on. There's no way he could/should not have known the whole thing was eating Lorelai up. So either he didn't care or he was checked out. Either way, inexcusable.

That revival was not at all in line with Logan's growth during the original series and should therefore be discarded. It was intentional. Those girls knew who Rory was (I am not saying they knew Rory and Logan were together prior to sleeping with him). "[Y]ou're Rory Rory"? Gimme a break. Like you know that many Rorys. No classy non-beeyowtch talks about sleeping with your current boyfriend as a laugh/lark.

What's really goofy is I bet ASP didn't mean for these characters (L and R) to come off as horribly as they do. Uh. Rory is like the worst character with the most boring storylines, so majorly disagree.

Because...to misquote The Lego Movie, she's "the special." Agree with your entire post that it makes no sense that Rory blah blah blahs about all her goals and then does literally ZERO to achieve them (outside of following the conveyor belt of academic activity).

Yup. But he does agree to drinking it every night and having sex. Agree that I would have just gone with the champagne.

Had the exact same thought and can only come with the fact that Luke hates champagne, so really crappy $5 champagne would be a worse choice than Zima. Zima is truly awful stuff (all that malty stuff tastes like ass). I can't imagine anyone enjoying it. Or wine coolers. So bad.

Yup. And yup. The Gilmores always had an overinflated sense of how hard they worked or what kind of people they were. It doesn't seem like Chris and would have paid back Richard because he was sending the checks directly to the school.

Once I had kids, I completely closed the door on any understanding of why someone wouldn't fight or move heaven and earth to be with their kids as much as possible. Which puts Chris in the garbage pail for me from day 1 and makes it baffling to me that anyone likes him at all, least of all Lorelai (maybe guilt?) or Richard and Emily.

Miss Patty says Doula's eyes are so beautiful...pan to the baby, who is sleeping with eyes closed.

It's a cliche. In lots of movies, shows, etc. Never done it myself, more's the pity.

Aw, come on. In popular culture, movies, tv, regular life, and even on this show, hooking up with someone at weddings is de rigueur.

I regret not choosing one of these user names: jamhands bendelsnitchrazzlefrat

They weren't having sex at the wedding. Just macking down. ;)

The whole thing makes no sense and it creeps me out when men go around policing their daughter's sexuality (or the sexuality of any woman) in some misguided attempt at 'honor.' Yeah. She went along with the lie and then when she had the opportunity to finally fess up, I don't know if she felt like it wasn't worth getting into (to reverse a lie and make it look worse bc she lied in the first place) or if she completely chickened out again in the name of avoiding conflict. It wasn't right. I was just referring to the first time when Rory told her to hide it. I think it says something, though, that you don't trust your partner enough to always tell them the frank truth of it. I can see that...not trusting Luke to not fly off the handle. Funny, since he considered himself to be the voice of reason/rationality and called everyone else a kook who needed to be medicated.

Figured they bought what they could afford regardless of various shortcomings, hence the name "crap shack." In Texas, many homes are built keeping the parents' room far, far away from the kids' rooms and usually on a different floor. On purpose. She didn't want to hide it. Rory told her to and she went along with it in her hungover haze. I think she shoulda told him one way or another eventually, though.

Agree with the first points about Lorelai saying things were ok when they clearly were not. I am rabid about saying what you mean and meaning what you say (esp with your s.o.). It's not fair to withhold and then resent/explode. Especially if they ask! With it agreed that they'd marry, what's left to discuss? I get the whole figuring out roles, involvement, custody, etc (not that Luke would allow for April conversation). Again, given that April pretty much only hung out with him at the diner, these things could have been figured out post-wedding. Luke also was basically checked out of the relationship. I sure as heck would not want to marry someone who every time something big happen just checked out of my relationship. If anything, that should have been a big aha moment for Lorelai.

Totally agree with first point. What exactly was left to discuss? Also, never shut up. We like you and all your points.

It's not jumping when she said jump because he had already agreed to marry her!

How was she gonna talk to him when he lost his crap and started yelling and being ridiculous every time she broached the subject or did anything? He went full on nutbag every time. I totally respect the fact that Luke needed time to process his large life change and he is emotionally stunted to begin with, so that required more finesse, etc. However, I still don't see what that had to do with the wedding. A fully planned wedding that all he had to do was show up to. This man wanted to marry Lorelai for years. Whether or not April was in his life, he still wanted to marry Lorelai. What was the point of the delay? Especially in light of the fact that marrying her strengthened his position in every way regarding Anna's behavior and his ability to obtain some custody. It's truly a nonsensical plot point.

Oh, and drop Lorelai for a stayement? I would have dropped Luke like a hot potato after causing all sorts of ridiculous drama about a phone call from Chris in front of Jackson and Sookie and ruining everyone's evening like a big moronic baby and saying, "NO SECRETS!" and then turning around and hiding April from Lorelai for months. I mean, wtf?!

The ultimatum relates to the quote that she did not want to be married to someone who didn't wanna be married to her. The Christopher thing was an add on. It was more Lorelai dysfunction. Then later on she goes on to explain that she doesn't wanna be married to someone who didn't want to "let her in the car." Those all relate back to the ultimatum. Like the psychologist said, she did not have him...what was she really losing? Now, do I think she should have been better about communicating all these things? Of course. To I think Luke should have been more open and communicative? Of course. Do I think they are both to blame for the entire situation? Of course. And they agree on that later in the maze. Those 2 are a flaming hot mess of nonsense and I cannot defend either set of behaviors. [I do agree with the person who said that asking to hold off on a date versus canceling a fully planned wedding for no real apparent reason are 2 different things.] And what exactly was Luke thinking about? What did April have anything to do with his wedding? Was he going to hang out with April and then re-decide whether or not he wanted to marry Lorelai? Literally fake drama.

This is pretty much what Lorelai said to Sookie when Sookie said she didn't understand why they couldn't just work it out. Ask for Luke figuring things out with April before getting married, I still don't really see what one thing had to do with the other. And he admits later that he should have let Lorelai help him navigate that whole situation. Which she could have done as his wife. Especially since Anna was so much more willing to let Lorelai be in April's life once they were actually married.