aphroditewitch

Will was leading Jasmine on all season and being dishonest with her. He kept going on about how he was such an intellectual and needed that type of stimulation. Really? Hmm, rewind back to the Bachelor party, Will had no problem with the strippers being all over him. And frankly he isn't that smart or he would have let Jasmine dump him. Instead he kept feeding her a line and then went on to humiliate her on television. Now her father is going to go scorched earth on him and any Lincoln connections Will does have are not going to help him, that bridge is burned.

But what about Will's constant digs at Jasmine? They have been swept under the rug because people decided she deserved it in some way.

I wonder what the road block is to doing a city further west than the ones they have done already. I can see why they would not go to Los Angeles but I wonder why they haven't gone to a place like Phoenix or Denver.

I don't think Will and Jasmine will maintain a friendship. Why would she want to be friends with him? And to be honest, since she and her father have such a deep connection with Lincoln, Will might just have to let go of that network of people. Jasmine will probably stay friends with the other women on the show.

We basically saw this on screen. Kate was clearly unhappy and brought up divorce and Luke mumbled about not wanting one and it became really obvious that their scenes were just weird. I remember saying weeks ago that when Kate would talk about Luke or even to Luke it often sounded like she had been told what to say by production.

If it happened once, I might believe that. but it kept happening with Will.

Maybe but they probably won't since it just makes them look bad for not catching it during casting.

It does make him a liar when what he claimed something happened and it did not. That is how lies work. And not only that, he lied about someone else claiming they did something that they did not do and something that Jasmine knew she did not do. And maybe to him it seemed insignificant. But when he and Dr. Jessica came after Jasmine regarding communication, while he is sitting there having told lies, it is completely unfair to her. If he wants to lie to and about himself that is one thing but he was lying to and about Jasmine. And it was not a one time thing, he did it repeatedly during those weeks. And the thing is the audience did it to Jasmine too. People kept saying that Jasmine was looking down on where he grew up but nothing she said or did during that episode involved looking down on his past. If anything she seemed appreciative of how his friends had been a support system for him. That was not referring to the wedding it was referring to his lies before the mini moon. Again I think it is good that they are going to divorce but not for the reasons that other people are talking about. Will did not treat Jasmine nicely on numerous occasions and was given a pass on it all season. I think a decent guy would have gone about it a better way and would have been able to realistically talk about Jasmine's expectations by showing her why the situation her parents had is not realistic anymore. But Will would just get upset that he felt Jasmine wasn't supportive of his own unrealistic goals while shooting down hers at the same time. He didn't put in effort at all.

I doubt Kate could sue the show. Reality shows protect themselves with the strict contracts. She might have a better shot at an annulment based on fraud but that is something she would have to discuss with her divorce lawyer about whether it is worth pursuing.

1. That was from an earlier post then the one from this morning. 2. That is your interpretation of how Will was acting. His version of events didn't match what actually happened. And that is one of the big problems with Will, his revisionist history doesn't match what happened. No wonder Jasmine felt frustrated. He did not know how to communicate yet she was made to feel like she was the problem.

Sam was a terrible pick for the show. She was too closed off and was really cruel to Neil. She seems to have learned from how terrible she was.

This is not the time I was talking about. I mentioned earlier that I was talking about when they were in the car on the way to the mini moon. I never once mentioned when they were looking back at the weddings.

When someone lies, they have already proven themselves to be in the wrong. And Will lied about what happened. And this was not the first time that happened. I went back and rewatched the scene. Jasmine said at the beginning of the season that she had lived with someone for several years but it ended because she wanted kids and he did not. Also I was not talking about Jasmine, I was talking about Will and his behavior. His behavior has nothing to do with Jasmine. Jasmine did not force Will to lie repeatedly through the season. To me there is nothing else to say about it. Good people do not spend so much time lying and Will lies constantly. That is not something a good guy does.

Except it is not just my interpretation because they were talking about it and he lied. The flashback confirmed her version of events, not his. Will claims that he wants a partnership. But he can't have a partnership if he is unwilling to do his share of the work in a relationship. And it is not just about Jasmine. Will supposedly has a good job and his own home, but he is still single. I'm would be willing to bet he put off a lot of women over the years with his behavior.

During the entire marriage he was putting it on her when he made it about her communication and when he lied repeatedly. When they were in the car on the way to the mini moon and she was unhappy about the other day and he acted like she was crazy for being upset even though he was the one who said hurtful things to her. He doesn't care whether Jasmine is happy, he cares about his own. Yet during the weeks of the show it was all about what Jasmine could do to make him happy. He did absolutely nothing to see what he could do for her. The one true thing he said was that divorce would be good for them both. But not for the reasons Will thinks. Like I said earlier, I feel bad for any woman who dates Will in the future because he lies and he is never going to be considerate of her needs.

This is not the way to avoid hurting someone's feelings and it is worse. It is better to be honest and not give someone false hope. It is also not ok to do what Will did repeatedly which was put the blame all on Jasmine.

The whole coaching thing doesn't make much sense and I think Will said it to annoy Jasmine. If he is not coaching now today and building up a reputation, then he is not going to be taking a prestigious coaching job at any point in five years. And that was Jasmine's point, the only coaching job he would be able to get with no coaching reputation to back him up would be in a junior high or high school. And everyone knows they don't make much money. And that kind of salary would be hard to support a family on without a spouse pulling in a much higher salary to combine with it. He lied about several things. When they were talking about the wedding day he claimed she did something and she said she didn't. Then the flashback supported her version. When she was upset in the car on the way to the mini moon, he acted like she had nothing to be upset about but he was not nice to her with his comments during the kissing game and he again lied about it and again the flashback showed that. So for all the criticism of Jasmine putting him down, he was doing his fair share of putting her down as well.

Presumably the same way a male porn star does. I don't think the how is all the complicated.

I think Dr. Pepper was looking for Luke to explain why he would have sex with a woman he has repeatedly said he is not attracted to. And in typical Luke fashion, he refused to explain himself and Kate said her thoughts on that issue. I don't think it was an unfair question. He was playing a cruel game with Kate all season where he would sort of compliment her one minute and then he would verbally attack during the next. It seemed to me that Kate was being sarcastic with him by saying something like "and you actually like me now" in the minutes before she said she was done with the marriage.

I agree. I wrote about it earlier, we saw several moments where he was not telling the truth and flashbacks would support Jasmine's version of events. And when she would get upset about the thoughtless things he was saying to her, he acted like she was unreasonable and crazy. He turned everything around on her and made it her fault, while he pretended to be blameless and I think that is the reason Pastor Cal was pissed. Will wants someone who agrees with everything he says. But I feel bad for anyone he gets with now because the second she disagrees with him or calls him out on his bs, he is going to do the same thing he did to Jasmine. Again I think it is good that they split because Jasmine would have been the only one putting in effort. Will doesn't think he needs to be the one making compromises in a relationship.

Season three with Neil choosing to divorce Sam and Ashley choosing to divorce David.

Jasmine graduated from Lincoln too so that should be a minor concern. In the end I think her dad should be happy that his daughter graduated from there. I'm not sure about the experts in terms to Jessica and Ryan. However Jamie posted something about how she never advocated for a couple to divorce before Kate and Luke. However Jessica and Ryan are probably not on anyone's mind these days.

It is from several years ago though. So whatever it is predates his experience with MAFS.

She copied the info from Reddit.

Luke should have been honest about his sexuality. If he is bi, gay, or just doesn't like labels he needed to be upfront about it. There is some evidence that Kate did leave earlier though. The scenes for Kate and Luke were very choppy and suggest one of them did not live in the house and was showing up to film. Either way, I'm not going to blame someone because other person abused them. Kate got out earlier then most people would have in a regular situation. Abuse is complicated and applying normal reactions to an abused person doesn't work.