aphroditewitch

You completely missed my point. I was referring to what Jackie herself said about Ryan not what outsiders said. You don't have to agree with me. Reality is that the show has a history of protecting abusive men. You can like Jon, but remember a lot of people liked David too. And we know how that went. It turned out that David had a history of domestic violence that included pushing his ex in front of the police officer. The show didn't care and cast him and then doubled down after it was revealed to cast him again on Second Chances. Yet to this day I see people defending David because misogyny is a hell of a drug. Does any of that mean Molly is a good person, no it doesn't. Like I said previously, she never should have been cast. Which the experts already knew when they cast her. Dr. Pepper even said in the last Unfiltered that Molly was not an open person and had a tendency to not reveal her feelings. Something that they should have known during casting interviews but they cast her anyway because they thought it would make good tv. You can also think that a man being entitled about sex and berating a woman for not sleeping with him is acceptable behavior. However it isn't and it is an abusive behavior.

Perhaps you need to read back to where I said I didn't like either one of them before making typical comments like these.

I really don't buy that. There is a reason why so many employers try to check prospective employees social media along with traditional background checks.

It is was actually Jon's behavior that led me to believe he has a side we didn't see on the show. And his continued actions since then have supported my opinion. The guy put a letter to his fans about his experience on this show on his LinkedIn page. That is just massively unprofessional and I can't imagine that any HR professional would think that was a good idea.

I disagree. I think Jon did engage in abusive behavior. He repeatedly berated her for not being affectionate towards him. And when berating her about it when they were alone wasn't enough for him, he did it in front of the other participants. Perhaps you don't see that behavior as abusive, but I do.

Then your understanding of the response to abusive behavior is inaccurate. It is very common for people to rationalize a situation to convince themselves that a person's behavior is not abusive. Consider Ryan and Jacklyn. His behavior was at minimum emotional abuse, yet Jackie doesn't seem to have used that term to describe how he treated her, the experts didn't seem to care and no one else on the show called him on it from what I saw. Jon's background is meaningless in terms of how he treats people. People from all backgrounds can be horrible and abusive. Jon's behavior raises reg flags for me. Especially his determination to make sure his version of what happened is seen as the accurate version and the only version. And like I said, the show has a history of protecting the men.

And you can believe that. But I've seen reality shows pull far too much crap to give them the benefit of the doubt. Not all arguments or petty statements come with receipts and even receipts can be misleading. The producers are the same people who thought it was acceptable to cast a man with a history of domestic violence back in season 3. I don't trust Jon or Molly. But Jon in particular raises too many red flags for me.

Actually we don't know whether she disputed things Jon said about her because the show edits everything. Even if she said something during the reunion, it would have been edited out. The audience never gets the full version. What would be the point of her spilling things on Jon now? People have already decided and would claim she is lying or trying to save face. Along with that she has gotten violent threats from some people and in general she seems done with it.

He was getting pissy on camera and when they were with other people. They even showed it during one of the reunion's many flashbacks. He was bitching about how he is entitled to affection and how he has been rejected. And he did that constantly.

I disagree. People who are mature don't engage in petty nonsense like that. And considering he was teasing some twist during the reunion that was a big nothing and also didn't involve him, I find myself concluding that he is an attention seeking loser. Molly might be a bitch, but Jon is a jackass. They both engaged in emotional abuse, and he should be called out for it too.

Relationships are the responsibility of two people. And whether they fail is on both people. Given the shop's history of blaming the women only for it to come out later that there was way more going on than what was on screen, I'm not inclined to believe the narrative that this is all on Molly. Especially since Jon has been doing immature things such as liking every hateful comment about her on social media and seems a little too keen to be seen as the wronged party.

So? Being frustrated doesn't excuse being a shaming jerk. Everyone gets frustrated with other people. how we respond to them is on us. And he decided to be an entitled jerk about it. Just because someone once engaged in daring behavior doesn't mean they want to do it with someone else. He reminded me of Cody from last season, always complaining about not having sex and never reflecting on why that behavior would be a turn off.

He was obsessed with shaming her for it. If he was a decent person he never would have done that. Good people don't throw a person's sexual history in their face, particularly if they claim to want to have a relationship with that person. The whole thing may have been part of what turned her off completely. If the situation had been reversed and she was harping on something from his past, she would have been slammed for being obsessed with something that did not involve her.

How do we know she didn't say something? The show edits things to death. If she said something after the fact on social media, people would just dismiss it as her trying to save face. The experts probably wouldn't have done anything The experts are pretty useless.

Shawniece was the only one who seemed truly interested in embracing the process. Ryan was phony, Jackie wasn't ready, Jepthe wasn't ready, Molly didn't want to be there and Jon was an immature jerk. I'm surprised at the number of people who like Jon. The red flags went off for me when he constantly started throwing Molly's sexual history in her face. So creepy and gross.

I don't think the show has the budget to pay them that much.