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Where can I join the discussion for S3 since I'm in the US (don't' believe S4 is available to us yet). I don't want to comment on the wrong thread or spoil anything for others. NOTE: I've been trying to comment forever on Transplant but couldn't find it initially. I'm very late to the party but so glad I found this thread after the list finally "expanded" for me, LOL! Thanks!

Well, I was going to post something but you beat me to it, and I agree 100%. I have been so thoroughly disappointed and disgusted with S4 and this just cements my feelings. It makes no sense why Helen has suddenly changed her mind and doesn't want to marry Max. As soon as they showed her, I thought, I she's still in London. Like so many things that have occurred this season, let's hope they explain this and don't leave it unresolved like so many other things. Iggy - have no words. Yes, Martin, leave the idiot. Floyd - This storyline is too late; should have been explored in earlier seasons. Guess Lauren has finally come to her senses but this is another non-sensical plotline.

Disappointing that Max could never thwart Veronica but now--after Max's listens and treats a few of the workers, which encourages them to "fight their oppressor",--the (lackey) essential workers usurp Veronica who caves and leaves🙄. For this torturous, long, villainous "Veronica arc" to have drug on as long as it has, this was a rather lackluster and unsatisfying ending to her demise, imo. I would have much rather seen Max and the other doctors take her down. The remainder of this episode was just discombobulated from Helen to Floyd Bloom and Iggy. It seems the writers have definitely and certainly lost their way this season, imho. There are now throwing too many obstacles and twists for the characters when the show will end with an abbreviated S5. There is no way in hell they will resolve all the issues that need to be resolved. Without spoiling too much for those who maybe have not read what the showrunner has said about E20-21, there will be more obstacles, challenges, heartbreak & heartache for Sharpwin. Why the writers/showrunner decided too ruin a once brilliant show is beyond me. Since they have, it is best it end with S5 (although 13 episodes are a real disservice to the fans).

Serwa flashback/"dream sequence" - will this provide a 2nd chance opportunity with Helen to finally discuss and resolve Helen's childhood trauma? Fairly obvious the brother was an alcoholic but seriously, an ectopic liver😲🙄 Iggy is of no help to anyone (cancer patient) and his "breakup" with Trevor was clumsily and badly done, BUT THANK GOODNESS, IT'S OVER. Why does Max continually show his hand to /Veronica? Once again, I'm disappointed that Max has not one-upped her. I am so tired and just completely done with this Veronica arc. FINISH IT ALREADY!!!

Agreed - a bit better episode and glad to see (next week's episode) that Helen is somewhat back to "normal" e.g., speech has returned. I was already tired of "how long will the writers drag out this storyline? I actually like Juliet (the little psychopath); she's a good actor and her storylines are interesting. Too bad Iggy helps no one but obviously, Juliet's "problem" with the boyfriend was the catalyst and parallel issue for Iggy to finally seek a therapist (acknowledging his faults). I think they may be doing the back-to-back episode due to the 2 hiatus (Olympics and then that 6-week show). There are probably 5-6 episodes remaining in S4 which probably ends around May 24.

Ikr! The devil's handmaiden should have been gone episodes ago (or never been at NA in the first place). I hope Max takes her down once and fall in next week's episode. Enough already!

I enjoyed reading your comments. I've heard comparisons to Blacklist (which I've not watched), although I watched Blacklist Redemption only because I watch Ryan Eggold in New Amsterdam. So, I was curious of his role in Blacklist: Redemption (I hated they left that on a cliffhanger!). As you both stated, I love the two female leads whose banter and intellect I appreciate (and Elena's clothes). I don't want too become too invested as we know NBC (and other networks) will cancel shows without giving them a real chance. I hope it is renewed for a S2.

Cade's dad - I mean, haven't we been down this road too many times before with obnoxious, arrogant, self-important, narcissistic doctors. This is tired (and he's on some type of drug (per the previews); we've seen that before on this show and other medical shows. I swear, the writers are all exchanging ideas (or stealing storylines they think they fans have forgotten) THIS ^^ all so true--especially about Dr. Eyebrows (Cade). She talked about why she didn't want to forge relationships, get close to anyone and yet they all bonded like she'd been there since S1😂. I feel/see zero chemistry between Conrad & Cade. I wish the writers wouldn't force these type of relationships.

Devon & Leela - not surprising & saw that coming; AJ and Padma - just no This show has gone off the rails. Remember back in S1-3 when everyone was fighting against the common villainous, antagonist Bell, or Big Pharma, Quo Vadis? Now it's just a soap opera with no interesting cases. HODAD--who all has been forgotten and forgiven--has become so altruistic, it sickening. Dr. Eyebrows🤣🤣

His drunk friend mentioned that they were almost in a wreck. Because he was driving erratically, Casey got out (and then got mugged). Yeah, I mentioned that tired, worn-out trope last week (not on this board) because these are lazy writers this season.

No question that Freema an d Ryan are outstanding actors. That said - what an emotionally devastating and heart-wrenching episode. Seemed like nothing but a crisis episode--Helen, Casey, Wilder & Mia in crisis. Could we have just a little more drama and angst🙄😬😉 So, this is the season of "more joy"😲😤😏☹️. The proposal--while heartfelt, happy and a long time coming--was disappointing and bittersweet for me. Can we throw a few more obstacles and struggles in their way? Now, to go through multiple recovery episodes (per the showrunner, it could be weeks, months or years) for Helen to regain her speech/motor functions (was this a TIA?) is so sad and terrifying for Max who'd gone thought heartbreak/heartache with Georgia & Luna. For some strange reason, the writers--it seems--don't want them to be happy. Was this supposed to be their "big talk" about having children? With Max stating, "yes, I want to have a baby with you"--not knowing the outcome at that moment--was crushing. And then all the suspense as to whether or not she would have to have a hysterotomy and even if she *could* have a baby after all this--geesh! I'm a Sharpwin fan but enough is enough! Can we not just have these two be happy without all these trials and tribulations. Didn't need to see Lyn and no amount of justification makes this right (storyline arc with Floyd). It would have been best for her to terminate the pregnancy and she & Claude move to Colorado (OR for her NOT to have been pregnant at all). SIDE NOTE: I don't want to see Mia and Floyd as a couple Didn't care about Iggy as he got exactly what he deserved--and how dare he say he didn't even know Trevor's last name! Trevor is his assistant; you darn well know his name😉 Almost seemed a bit hypocritical and disingenuous of Leyla to ask for money when that caused their initial breakup😕 Good to see Karen back but, somehow, it seemed a bit bizarre she'd just show up? Also, happy to see that everyone else survived the attack, i.e., Bloom & Leyla saving Casey, Wilder confronting the bartender and returning to the "pride" of being a doctor, and Helen actually being the one--even in her unconsciousness--to save everyone and to figure out what they had been drugged with even though she suffered the most catastrophic result from it. All I can say is that since we know S5 will be the last, and an abbreviated one at that, that the writers clean up this mess they've made--and continue to make. They'll have all summer to think about how to "right the wrongs" they've done to these characters and give fans a happy, or somewhat satisfied ending, they deserve.

Agree on the long break I understand with the Olympics but didn't know this next break is the "winter" hiatus? It's ridiculous. I see they did not rid themselves of Veronica I don't understand that or why Floyd is running the Urgent Care facility? This show is supposed to be about Max & New Amsterdam - how is this relevant (other than those who were laid off have a job--good to see them) and agree about Claude still not finding a job with his credentials. Thank you posters - I'm so glad I wasn't the only one embarrassed by the phone sex at the end. It seemed too stilted and yes, definitely sounded like something from fanfic but unfortunately, a bad fanfic. Again, this is TV - show don't tell us what you'd done on the patio🙄 I'm not certain if I want to stick around for the April 19th episode. Sharpwin had a huge unresolved fight but now he wants to propose? Has Serwa been forgotten? Yes, why is Lyn returning? Has she had the baby or miscarry? But right, who cares.

I'm on the brink of no longer watching and I really hate that. I loved this show but it's getting ridiculous. Tonight's episode had a couple surprises but overall a bit lackluster. Seriously, Reynolds? Unsure what he's up to but I don't believe he's that ruthless or heartless. I realize quoting Invictus is his ritual prior to surgery but there's more to this story and who knows what's forthcoming. Maybe Max and Floyd had a discussion (off screen, naturally) and this is yet another ploy to rid them of Veronica? I mean they already destroyed his character with Lyn but there is definitely something else going on here. And BTW, have we seen the last of Lyn, Claude & Floyd? That was a rather odd send off! Not a huge surprise with Helen convincing Max to stay. I think most of us saw that coming. But they (Sharpwin) knew Veronica would dismantle every program that had been implemented by Sharpwin so it was obvious--after they returned to see all the "drastic" changes--that Max would stay. And weren't they supposed to be getting into this type of "trouble" before they left for London? So next week, Max is finally showing some backbone and fortitude (has he gotten his mojo back?). Again, Sharpwin said they had 5-6 weeks to get into trouble before departing for London but it never came to fruition. So now, bad-ass Max is back and we'll have to wait several weeks until after the Olympics to discover just what truly happens. Hopefully there will be a time jump or something.

No, you are not alone on this. Other posters on this board and elsewhere have commented on the exact same thing. Hell, I've been screaming this since S4, E1!! Why the writers felt they needed to rush this London arc is beyond me. I totally agree that they should have taken time to develop the relationship. Helen and Max may truly love each other but they are poor communicators--and we know all the reasons why. But it was disingenuous for the writers to move this quickly with their relationship and NOW, have all these ugly "problems" rear their head. Makes zero sense. I'm not sure if this season can be redeemed but they (writers/showrunner) better turn it around quickly or ratings will drop and they'll lose fans. At this rate, S5 needs to be the last--unless they can return to the formula that made it a great & successful show initially.

I wholeheartedly agree with everything you sad--especially your first paragraph. I have wondered the same thing since E1 - are the writers trying to lose fans and drop ratings? They have done such a disservice to the characters this season, it's shameful. Helen, Floyd, even Max. And these are the 3 main characters of NA. Like you, I don't know if I will watch S5 if continues down this road. Can it be saved? Only time will tell and as I stated, I am so disappointed, I don't have the words any more. and not only that but she was never held accountable for the bribe to get Leyla into the program . Has that been forgotten??