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I don't disagree, but considering how much shilling THT did during season 3 with their basic banter and pandering to "current issues", like the whole DC angle, illegal immigration, and that ONE time they mentioned skin color, you would think that the Globes would be the first to eat that shit up. I was totally expecting them to be like, "sure we ignored all the amazing offerings from people of color this past year dealing with higjly relevant and important issues, but hey, we're still all about that enslaved lady puss show so no harm no foul!". They have always preferred to fake honor some sort of white washed SJW offering so they can appear "woke" to the modern day masses while all the same old same gets a tongue bath. The Globes are hardly the standard for acknowledging the best of the best coming out of Hollyweird, however it still warmed the cackles of my black heart to see THT lose their seat at the "cool kids" table, heh. Any time those pompous jerks take a loss will always be a win in my eyes.

Just saw that the show was totally shut out at the upcoming Globes, not even BW or Lizzie managed to snag a nomination just on principle. 19 Golden Globes Nominations Snubs and Surprises, From ‘When They See Us’ to Cate Blanchett I really felt like the show had lost its’ way during season 3 and the overall fan reaction to it and now one of the big award boards ignoring it completely, it all just confirms to me what a weak and troubled season it was. There was far too little progress and way too much repetitive dribble and boring rehashing. I’d honestly feel bad it’s had such a fall from grace if it weren’t being run by two huge misogynistic dipshits.

I spied this article and it detailed some facts about season 3’s ranking that I found interesting, and not at all surprising. Did 'The Handmaid's Tale' Make A Mistake Cutting Nick's Scenes? Personally I didn’t miss Nick, there’s nothing he could have added to this season to improve it, imho. Watching he and June have scenes like they forced during the DC trip would have been hellish; and whatever fighting he’s doing seems to be shit-all effective. However I will be somewhat curious to see if these dismal numbers are reflected come awards season next year. They rode on the coattails of season 2 with their latest acknowledgements, but this season may not end up favoring them. I doubt though that Miller and Littlefield will bend to any pressure to change the show’s trajectory unless they really start to see negative results coming out of tinsel town.

The fact they’ve hinged her arrest on how she forced Nick and June together to make a baby for her totally gives me the inkling they’re going for a redemptive arch. Especially with both Nick and June still trapped in Gilead. They basically want to whitewash her true guilt and crimes with the original deal, and this crime just doesn’t seem like the hill they’re going to have her die on. Miller likes Serena and Yvonne, I foresee neither going anywhere anytime soon. Same same, for me my other guilty pleasure is AHS so I’m tapping out on this one.

Good dear god almighty, that first scene with June’s face flashing in between strobe light lit closeups was the worst yet. I felt like it was the start of a horror flick with a bunch of jump scares, yikes. That scene really served to remind me of what this show used to tell us Gilead was like. Terrifying, hateful, cruel, dark, unforgiving, unsurvivable. Then they flash to June walking side by side with a guard who doesn’t notice every other fucking handmaid thrusting their hands into her bag like it’s Santa's Christmas sack, especially Janine who giggles like her usual looney self while doing so. Whatever, if the guards were even half as competent anymore this entire season wouldn’t exist. And of course Lydia has a hint something is afoot, but does nothing like take June back to the center to be reassigned because “finale!.” So a Martha moved during the daytime and brought her kid early, yet that didn’t totally blow the whole plan because “finale!”. And they traveled from a far distance, through the woods totally undetected? And yet no alarm had been sent up yet? Oh right, because “finale!”. Oh look at June Wick, wielding her big bad gun like a pro. Who the fuck is this character anymore? They’ve ruined her, straight up removed everything and anything redeeming about her. Just so she can be some so called “badass”? What utter bullshit. Clearly they have no fucking clue who Lawrence is or what he’s all about. This idea that June, handmaid extraordinaire, could just take over his home and strip him of his power because Lizzie lowers her voice a little? GTFOOH. Also, are they seriously implying these mf-ers hadn’t even gotten a MAP to chart a safe path to the fucking airport until the evening of???? They had a week! There was no plan! Just pulling shit out of their asses at the last goddamn second and making sure it worked out because “finale!”. Oh fuck you, show. Aw, Lawrence had story time with the 52 kids, who all obviously would not be able to WALK all the way to that airport in time unless they grew wings and battle armor to survive the oncoming onslaught of guards headed straight for them. But sure, because “finale!”. Also also, somehow 52 kids are all missing come nightfall, plus a handful of Marthas and handmaids, and Gilead would not immediately have their airport swarming with guards because that shit should be suspicious as HELL. But gosh golly, of course not because “finale!”. Too bad all those brave women didn’t know June really didn’t need their help because she can’t die, ever, so she truly could have faced off with those guards all alone and been just peachy. I guess none of them brought a pen... Hey, she can avoid any and all bullets that would surely kill her, huzzah, another superpower activated! Praise be! And of course she got the best of an ARMED GUARD, got him to call off any further search of the area, AND then killed him because fine, sure, yep, why not... ...she got carted out of the woods with the help of the other handmaids with nary a guard or patrol in sight despite the very deceased guard laying just mere feet away who you’d think they’d be trying to contact or find or something... So Gilead just stopped caring about everything, great, because so have I. I’m done. Officially done. This entire finale was a pile of fuck you footage to all semblance of logic. A “happy ending” submerged in total bullshit and fuckery to get us there. My brain deserves better.

She can make angry faces at Fred and Serena for a whole 2 minutes and then she'll go find more potatoes to touch tenderly. During her first escape attempt June was going to leave Hannah, so it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility that she could be put into another do or die situation that requires her to save herself and try and go back for Hannah later. I've seen a lot of hopeful ideas coming from those unspoiled in different places. I really do think this finale is going to catch a number of them off guard, and it will truly shock them for that reason.

And what a surprise it'll surely be. I am actually curious about seeing how some handle the truth, that June is getting another reset to stay in Gilead. I have seen quite a few make the statement that if she stays then they're done with the show, so I guess we'll see. Hah! Oh Rita, you held so much promise...

I would guess that's probably what happened. They wanted to "trigger" Serena's anger because, you know, that's the ONLY way they could write a woman becoming enraged, by having her sexually assaulted. Especially in the same season where they already showed her being physically whipped. Miller and Littlefield disgust me, truly. They act as if these sort of tired, sexist, and misogynist ideas make for good drama instead of just writing out realistic human beings with human emotions. The very fact Joe had to fight so hard just to get them to back down is so troubling and awful to me, not to mention it had to be cut at Joe's insistence, where was Yvonne's voice during all of this? This show has become so anti-feminist it's like it has become some ridiculous parody.

I have seen plenty of audience members online who remain unspoiled and they are convinced she has to get out this time. A lot of people are sick of her being stuck in Gilead. The show has really exhausted a lot of the viewers with June's neverending story and resets.

I spied this article and I have two things to say, good on ya, Joe, and seriously, Miller and Littlefield are pathetic creeps. Handmaid's Tale star fought hard to get this "brutal" scene cut from the show I cannot say it surprises me that those talentless losers would want to fall back on their rape lust to push a shitty plot, but Joe had too much integrity to let them bully him into taking that route. This article, for me, really highlights why I am just over and done with this show. These show runners are trash and they have no real respect for females, imho.

Since they are all so "proud" of this season, I highly doubt the so called surprise is anything more than the fact June remains in Gilead, yet again, or that the kids actually manage to fly out unharmed. The spoiler rundown of the episode didn't exactly scream anything mind blowing. Most likely the finale was written in hopes for another season, which they got, so they probably wanted to hedge their bets to make sure they didn't do anything crazy, or competent frankly.

Tell the truth. It wouldn’t shock me in the slightest if Rita started yelling at them: “I thought we were a FAMILY! I MADE Serena a fucking FINGER goddamnit!”. After all she did get so close to Serena while she was her slave...

‘Maybe she’ll get promoted to Commander status, I mean why not, she’s practically taken over Gilead already, just let her go all the way. Hee, I can’t stop using that since she killed Commander Keller with that pen. It reminded me of the famous John Wick line/scene about him killing 3 men with a “fucking pencil”. I really wouldn’t be surprised to see June use her gun for real in the finale, she’s practically a ninja now.

Yep, that seems to be the general rundown of the episode based on all the spoilers I’ve seen so far. Pretty much we are going to have a nearly identical type of finale as last season. Serena’s crazy and unstable and someone has to take baby Holly away from her. Fred’s his usual bastard self. Instead of Emily escaping with Holly, Rita will escape with 52 kids and get to Canada. June still doesn’t have Hannah, June will stay behind and live to fight another day. I don’t know how many resets this show is planning to have so they can keep June in Gilead, but I have reached my limit. I have no interest to watch another whole season of a “should have been dead a long ass time ago” June Wick running shit.

I got you covered, my lady, I found the Reddit poster’s account and saved it so I could keep going back to it, heh. I really hate searching on that site, it’s so confusing sometimes. It definitely showed us a few different scenes, but none of which were impressive. I really want to see how these mf-ers are going to have this bunch outrun armed guards in cars and make it to safety and they actually get the plane out of there, like...what the ever loving fuck? And June is confronted but not shot dead on sight? Sure, fine, yeah, that’s totally believable... Ofmatthew got blown away in the middle of the store, and was clearly pregnant at the time, but June gets caught out in the fucking woods, obviously apart of some escape attempt or other nefarious plan, and makes it out alive. *sigh* This show can go right to hell.

Just realized you posted about it @mamadrama, heh, I was just coming here to rant about it. Here’s the clip: THT Israeli Trailer E13 So...yeah...June terrorizes a small girl with her gun, fantastic. Did those fucks actually allow Serena the chance to take Holly out of the center? Seriously? They know she’s baby crazy and yet they would allow her to still be alone with her? Ffs, this show man. Also how the hell are they going to have the guards and patrols going apeshit during the escape and yet still they succeed? They have CARS goddamnit! The bullshit will be incredibly heavy with this finale. And I thought last season’s was bad enough.

To take more than 1 or 2 during a rescue attempt could very well be logical, no one thought it was out of bounds to think they could get Emily, June, and Holly out all at once, because you had 2 adults and a tiny baby. At least it could be seen as doable. But to suddenly throw us into the deep end of moving little kids, 52 of them no less, it wouldn't matter to me if Mother Oprah herself was behind the plan, it's just not a feasible endeavor. The issue for me is how the show has written June, period. They're the ones treating her like Captain Marvel with super powers to spare. They didn't have to write her like this, Offred never behaved like June has the past 2 seasons. The showrunners have totally transformed June and I for one hate what they've turned her into. She's rotten, self absorbed, cruel, cold, not at all smart, and she gets people killed, when she herself isn't doing the killing or watching someone die while she does nothing. Personally I find her actions and behavior indefensible. Miller and Littlefield decided to go all in with June Wick: BOSS edition, and they can keep her ass for all I care. I can't take her seriously anymore, her or her impossible plans.

After spending so much time ranting about the show today, I came across this article addressing THT and the writer's assessment was so spot on with how I feel, I wanted to share it. These TV shows should have quit while they were ahead They cover a few different shows, but here's what they said about THT: I don't think I've agreed so much with something written about this show since it was first announced. I remember the movie they did on the book and I wanted them to take it even further, get a little more indepth, and the first season pretty much did that. But to see what's become of it now, how they're so determined to get season after season out of this mess no matter how repetitive and ridiculous the subject matter has gotten, it just ruined what could have been a showstopper of an event on television that really touched on so many current issues it was as if the book it was based on had just been written. And I actually think if they hadn't been so desperate to make this a multi season show, they could have kept in the race portions of the story because it wasn't going to be dragged out or inappropriately mishandled. There's no way I would trust Miller and Littlefield to oversee however many seasons of a show dealing with racial bigotry and racism. They already have shown even when they are trying to include something about the issue, they fuck it up. But I think if they had been limited to a specific run time, like a mini series, it could have been pulled off. Plus Atwood at the beginning was so much more involved, she could have kept them in check and really pushed for the ideas in her book to be fully explored, and not to shy away from the ugliness of it all. They even could have brought in experts and historians of African American history and slavery to make it even more of a genuine portrayal. This show has really missed the mark in so many ways, imho.

I laugh only in solidarity of your suffering...hehe... That's the kind of true to life story that would make an epic comedy movie. Tell the truth. If Harriet had operated the way the show is carrying on right now, she wouldn't have made one successful run. No resistance movement is going to go from 0 to 60 just because some random chick wants to do something big and bold. June's idea literally came to her during a mental and emotional breakdown, that's exactly how farfetched of an idea it was, and it remains as such. To actually go through with it is batshit crazy and utterly unbelievable. At best it'd be a total suicide mission, at worst it would totally decimate the resistance network and everyone would suffer. Moving 52 of anything would take so much work and effort and timing, you could not risk a single misstep. Kids are terrible cargo to take on a simple car ride to McDonald's. They don't get secretly shuttled in the middle of the night out of their homes, for some the only home they may know, like it's no big deal. Some just would not go quietly if they even went at all. Kids also wouldn't just trust complete strangers who appeared out of the blue to "help them". The older kids especially would become alarmed and frightened, naturally, and possibly fight back. Even in the book when Atwood referenced the Underground Railroad created within Gilead she didn't imply anything happened like what the show is suggesting. She wrote her story entrenched in realistic past and present history, these mf-ers write plots involving killer pens and message muffins, the differences in the writing is night and day at this point. This plan is solely from the minds of these showrunners, and they don't care about it being reasonable or actually an obtainable goal. They want a big flashy ending and they want June at the center of it, that's it. They should just go all in and have June turn into the pied piper, and she can go through the streets, easily luring all the children to her as she leads them to the plane without consequence.

As a woman of color I find myself with a particular set of complaints regarding this show, and their treatment of the characters of color on the show, plus their misuse of the historical background in this country, especially where slavery is concerned. I will never forgive them for the way they showcased Rita's relationship with Serena this season, playing it off as if Rita had come to "love" her mistress and sympathized with her. They love to avoid the real conflict of these sensitive situations, a helpless slave trapped in a home where at any time her master or mistress can determine her unworthy or unfit and her life could be over in mere minutes. They cannot be friends or pals, show, they cannot truly "love" one another, it's a cruel and demeaning "relationship" that only benefits one and leaves the other at their mercy. The way Atwood dealt with the subject was so poignant and thought provoking, and this show just wants to make, excuse my french, "magical brown ladies" that assist the main white character and only exist to further her will and her existence without question, comment, or resistance. And if they must die in her stead than they'd do so gladly. Or they just will because she has to get away somehow and they will always be her scapegoats. Just watching how so much unwarranted praise was being heaped on June this past episode, it was nearly nauseating. Exactly why should she be so special? I get she's the main character, and obviously she drives much of the action, but in the book Offred wasn't this supreme leader or someone you could see acting like Rambo Jane on steroids. Atwood wrote her as a person, this show wants to turn her into a god of sorts, and I hate it.

Preach. I just fail to see why the show had to go this route. They had so many other believable avenues that they could have taken if they wanted June to join up with the resistance movement. They just don't care for any semblance of realism anymore. June does not need this type of impossible "win" to solidify her "heroine" status. In fact, imho, she never needed to be a superhero at all, the show totally lost the plot and the point by forcing that angle so hard this season. There was no need for her to suddenly become this super BOSS who can do all. Let us watch her find her inner braveheart naturally, let us struggle along with her, cry with her, and celebrate her well earned victories and triumphs. Instead this show bogs everything down in this marsh of unrealistic lunacy that's way too unbelievable and ridiculous to get on board with. 52 kids out of Gilead would not be possible unless Gilead has fully fallen and been rendered helpless. With the constant surveillance and armed guards, no one is moving that many little bodies at one time successfully. If this plan was attempted in any human reality, even one with fictional elements, the kids aren't getting out and everyone involved with the effort are dead. I feel like I'm going insane, does that count? Heh.

I co-sign your co-sign, heh, I was a nanny back when I thought I liked kids enough to make it a career choice, spoiler alert that didn't work out, so just knowing how unpredictable kids are, the plan is already a failure. Sure the show will make magic happen whenever it wants to because season 3 gotta season 3, but I don't enjoy this show enough to merely take the fanjob they're offering at this point. I am pretty much the same, I can be upbeat and let go of a lot of shit in a show that's earned it, THT has instead earned my wrath, and even when I think maybe they could still impress me or improve something they just do the exact opposite. Same same. I come from the old board TWoP where it was often open season with fun and snark galore where eople were able to freely rant and complain to their heart's content, so I am definitely glad I found this site and you bunch. Without this board I wouldn't have returned for this season, I just can't quit you guys!

Nope, June should have been hauled off by Lydia already to go back to the center and wait to be reassigned. Of course that would certainly destroy her current plan to get the kids out so obviously that can't happen. They will leave her to help Lawrence mourn or some shit, you know, because Gilead is such a giver like that... This show doesn't even take its' own universe seriously anymore.

I don't expect June to have connections, or to be thinking ahead to such a degree. We've already established that she has shit all skills when it comes to laying out a plan or focusing on potential long term consequences. What I would expect, however, are the people with connections to know that this plan is pretty much a humongous game changer that could prove far more costly than what it's actually worth. Let's be clear, June came up with this so called "plan" thanks to a half baked, delirious idea she thought up during a hospital stay one day. She can have all the dreams and delusions she wants to, the resistance really had no reason to implode their current set up because one handmaid thinks 52 kids is worth it. They did so because of the plot, nothing more. Weighing all the variables is exactly what keeps freedom fighters and resistance movements going, the ability to know when some things, and yes that does include lives, can't be spared for the sake of the larger picture, for the larger group to survive and make it out. Do you try to get 52 kids out only to ensure 500 or 5,000 suffer in their stead and potentially lose their own chances at freedom if you have long term goals? Do you do for the few at the expense of the many? In what way has the resistance been doing nothing? They have done a lot with what limited resources they have, and inspite of how many of their group ended up dead just this season. They have been playing the long game, they have been getting supplies in, many desperately needed like medications that have been banned, and people, and letters, out when possible, they weren't just standing about twindling their thumbs until June suddenly came along to give them her supreme guidance. These Marthas' and whomever else have been fearless badasses long before June joined the charge, and her idea isn't what makes a resistance movement or defines what it's supposed to be. It's a kamikaze ploy that ends up with a lot of important bodies to the cause lost and they're irreplaceable. June's plan fundamentally is flawed, it's the ultimate suicide mission and it still wouldn't get those kids out. So what's the point? Why wouldn't Gilead get bomb happy at this point? Frankly they have nothing to lose, they need to display a show of force because shit is getting real and they'd be worried about more targeted attacks. They know Canada has Serena and Fred, they also think they somehow got Commander Keller as well, and now they're facing losing 52 kids? They'd be ready to go HAM. Plus there's nothing that says they'd have to worry about bombing the kids themselves, they would have plenty of targets and the US and Canada would be all too aware of that, and so would the rest of the world as a matter of fact. Now I am well aware this plan is solely the show's idea of moving its plot forward and giving June further "badass" status, so I've no doubt it "can work" on the show. But realistically the idea is shit, it wouldn't work, and it'd decimate an entire helpmate network that's already struggling as is. @mamadrama, I wish I could give your post a whole box of chocolates, heh. The logistics of this "plan" are truly nonexistent. The underground railroad did not work independently from those in the North, that's the only reason it was so successful. They had those connections, those safe houses, they had those hidden agents, the abolitionists, all throughout the south helping to guide them and protect them along the way, and most importantly they did have men in power, holding powerful positions who were willing to do the right thing and help get people to freedom. Gilead has practically none of that, that we've seen so far. Canada nor the US seem to have many, if any, boots on the ground in Gilead itself, and they basically have done shit all except wait for any potential escapees to come to them, they hardly are lending a helping hand getting them out as part of a large scale operation. The idea June and her crew could just load up a plane with these kiddos and drop it into Canada's lap like this is absurd. It's not about right or wrong, imo, it's just fictional bs for a world that claims to be based on reality. There is absolutely nothing realistic about it. We are talking a general diplomatic nightmare just from the onslaught, we're talking closed borders, mass murders, potential threats of military retaliation, the list goes on and on. And you are so right about the kids themselves being one of the largest and honestly most insurmountable challenges about the whole idea. Truthfully they'd need to drug those kids, as you said just the slightest bit of fussing, crying, talking, or really any unnecessary noises couldn't be risked. These kids are young and obviously inexperienced, telling them to be quiet is just not good enough, telling them to go with complete strangers they don't know is also rubbish, some of these kids will be too young to have known any other life, or parents, they can't just be ripped out of their homes without protest. But if they were drugged then walking with them would become impossible so they would then need to use some type of vehicle big enough to carry them, well there goes the plan before they even get started. No vehicle, especially one of the necessary size, could make such a stop and go journey all across Gilead, in the night, without raising all the red flags. They might get to the first house if they were lucky and then be surrounded within minutes. One thing the underground railroad didn't have to account for, among many things, were guard patrols with assault rifles on every corner. Personally I an confident that if the show wants this idea to work they will make it so, they are not above writing shit to just happen for "reasons", that's been the whole season. It doesn't change the fact it'd literally be impossible to pull off the way they seem to imply it can be, but we've seen June take down a full grown man with a pen already, what's 52 kids on a plane? Like snakes but only even more unbelievable.

This is a gripe I have about the whole kids' rescue/escape, and that is just what is the long game here? The resistance obviously have been too smart to try and pull off something of this scale, and frankly it's an incredibly shortsighted move all things considered. Yes, they would get out 52 kids, but how many more will be left behind and they will surely suffer for this. They'd be put under lock and key and held under even stricter watch, there's no way Gilead won't lose their shit over this. And speaking of that, once the regime realizes what's happened they wouldn't hesitate to begin slaughtering people, determined to get to the bottom of how this could happen and who helped. Also also, how tough of a spot does this put Canada and the US in? They have no clue what June has planned, they certainly haven't signed off on it or have prepared for it, and they just got Serena and Fred, these kids are going to throw everything off if this happens. They think they have bargaining chips and an in into Gilead intel, but if those kids arrive Gilead is going to make sure Canada and the US know that they're fucking around with fire. Gilead, supposedly, can still intimidate a lot based on their power and nukes and whatever else, they would not just hand wave the fact that their neighbor to the North has taken in their "stolen kids". I doubt the show cares about any of this, but honestly this plan, should it succeed, would destroy a lot of progress that's been made, both in Gilead and across the border. Gilead will be enraged and ready to take action, that's a deadly thought for a country that still has so much fire power and so many people still enslaved and helpless within its' borders.