Idahoforspn
-
Posts
580 -
Joined
Content Type
Blogs
Gallery
Downloads
Discussion
Posts posted by Idahoforspn
-
-
All the apparent behind the scenes drama right now makes me sad. TPTB getting caught spinning absolute falsehoods to the fans when they kill off characters is disheartening to say the least. With the Js talk of 6 or 8 episode seasons, I wouldn't be surprised if season 13 is 13 episodes.
-
2
-
-
Hmmm..just sort of rewatched 22. Only watched what I liked: Grenade launcher, Dean/Jody, Dean Mary, Dean/Ketch fight. Didn't take very long.
-
1
-
-
10 minutes ago, Wayward Son said:
I think people are misunderstanding me, or perhaps I'm misunderstanding others in which case I apologise. It has been announced by Mark himself, Jim Michaels and several news sites that Mark Sheppard will not be returning to the series as a regular next year. Since that news has already been broke I don't see how a tweet from them that basically says "it's been nice working with you! Good luck with future projects" could be seen as breaking a non-disclosure agreement. They are only responding to news that has already been broken by Mark and a high up figure on the show (Jim Michaels).
I should be clear I'm talking about a simple tweet that's along the lines of "you've been great to work with and I'll miss you". I'm not talking about them making tweets that dish the dirt on what exactly happened behind the scenes, or that somehow expresses the opinion the show runners were wrong to axe him, if he has indeed been axed.
I think even the simple tweet like your talking about would ignite a deluge of anti Dabb/ Michaels tweets on J2Ms timelines. This is one case IMO it's better to publically leave it alone for now. I suspect they will say something at the next con.
-
2 minutes ago, Wayward Son said:
Indeed. I am most disappointed by the radio silence from Jensen, Jared and Misha about the whole thing. I can to an extent see Misha keeping his mouth shut due to a desire to stay on the right side of management. He is only a series regular like Mark and could just as easily be fired. However, what are management going to do if Jared or Jensen chose to write a simple "thanks mark for all the years working with us! Best of luck in future" type tweet? Fire them? As if! The show needs J2 to survive and a fear of management isn't a proper excuse for their arguably rude behaviour IMO.
I could be snarky and say something about how the PTB are already not writing for Jensen so there isn't anything new they could really do to him if he spoke up a little. Jared on the other hand has more to lose getting them mad at him. JMO. Actually, I'm assuming they spoke to Mark privately and I'm upset at Dabb, not J2M. I think if J2M said anything on Twitter, the fan meltdown in their timelines would be epic and just make things worse than they are. The fans wouldn't rip J2M much I don't think but there would be an avalanche coming at Dabb and Company.
-
12 minutes ago, Wayward Son said:
It does and we often have to wait longer as the Blu Rays are typically released in October here. I've actually started to purchase the season pass lately! I've done this for seasons 11-12, which makes checking show facts while out and about easier haha.
It really really does -sighs dramatically-
That does suck.
-
5 minutes ago, MysteryGuest said:
I purchase the episodes on Amazon the next night, too. Though I certainly don't get to watch on a 120" screen! Holy moly!! I thought I was living large with my 42".
Kind of sad that I don't watch SPN for the actors looks. However, if I want company to watch an episode with me, all I have to say is "Have you ever seen Jensen Ackles on a 120" screen?" Never had anyone turn me down yet. :-)
5 minutes ago, MysteryGuest said:I pay for the episode on Amazon, and I pay for Netflix, so I certainly hope they're counting more than just Nielsen households to calculate actual viewers.
I thought Amazon counts on the + viewers. Netflix is a whole different ballgame as SPN gets their money from the contract for mass viewing instead of each time someone watches an episode. I may be totally wrong though.
-
1
-
-
11 minutes ago, catrox14 said:
Well, that sucks:(.
When the Blu-ray comes out hasn't changed has it? They usually don't come out until a few weeks before the new season so that gives you a long wait @Wayward Son
-
2 minutes ago, catrox14 said:
Yes. Watch them. I really think 5x 16 through the finale is one of the strongest runs the show has had since s1 - s3 . I was really on the verge of giving up on Arrow but IMO it's back on track.
I will do that and let you know what I think.
-
1
-
-
5 minutes ago, RulerofallIsurvey said:
Well, dang - wish I'd known that before I preordered the dvd. Lol! I still want the behind the scenes stuff, but also really wanted to watch without commercials. I figured the new season wouldn't be on Netflix until later this summer. Well, now I can watch uninterrupted (commercials really do take the momentum out of shows) while I wait on my dvd. :)
I purchase each season on Amazon so I can stream each episode the next morning with no commercials (on a 120" screen. Yes I'm blessed).
I find I see so much more of the facial acting on a big screen and it's easier to notice all the little things. Episodes flow much better without the commercials. I always like them a little better to a lot better when they aren't broken up so bad by commercials.
-
1
-
-
21 minutes ago, catrox14 said:
Arrow got it's act together this season IMO, so I think it will get a boost. I'm really interested to see if pairing them again, but on Thursday instead of Wednesday will help both.
I forgot they were paired next year. Makes sense. I think that's a good pairing too. Does that mean I should watch the last two episodes of Arrow? They have been sitting on my DVR (along with the last two of Flash) and I had been considering just deleting them.
-
So if I do a rewatch of season 12, which is the appropriate thread to comment?
-
1 hour ago, Aeryn13 said:
Thanks for the info. That`s how I figured, the DC-verse shows claim the top spots (with Arrow losing steam and Legends gaining some respectively and the Flash leading the pack) and SPN takes the fifth spot.
These are really the only five shows working for the network even though I personally think 100 and Originals provide quality and entertaining writing respectively so I`m happy the network gives them chances despite being so low-rated. However, their picks for next year are downright insane so I don`t see a new star rising there.
I wouldn`t be surprised if the top five spots stay the same next year.
4 in finale but 5 for the year. I actually expect Arrow to lose more steam. Whether it falls below SpN depends on what kind of a disaster Dabb gives us and how far SPN falls next year.
-
5 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:
Behind Flash for sure, Supergirl probably but I`m not sure about Arrow. Legends might be ahead, though.
I thought Arrow had 1.7 million but I could be wrong. I forgot about legends. SPN may have been 5th then.
-
2 hours ago, catrox14 said:
Yup, 8 days after the finale for all the CW shows now. :)
Did I hear correctly that SPN finished behind Flash, Supergirl, and Arrow in finale ratings?
-
3 hours ago, AwesomO4000 said:
You apparently get the "anvils" (I usually don't), and weirdly I kind of find the supposed "anvils" abstract myself. As I said, other than me recognizing that they are anvils, for me message-wise, they sometimes aren't very clear -
I think I understood that. Maybe there is hope for me. :-)
-
1
-
-
1 hour ago, AwesomO4000 said:
I don't know if I can explain that fully here - maybe I'll also take this over to the "All Seasons" thread so as to minimize off topicness - or if I even can explain it. But I think the short answer is: because to me, it seems the story had more confidence in us, the viewer? I don't know, it just seemed to me that there were less anvils in the past couple of seasons - or at least less anvils that I'm remembering. I remember from season 9, being really annoyed with the Ghostfacers episode. I could tell that it was supposed to be some sort of huge anvil, but I remember that we viewers couldn't even agree on exactly who the anvil was about - i.e. which was representing Dean and which was Sam. And then in season 10, there was the werewolf episode - same thing: huge, annoying anvil, but again we couldn't even agree on what the anvil was trying to tell us exactly. So for me, it was basically storytelling that decided we, the viewers, needed some sort of message to tell us what the emotional arc was supposed to be... but they couldn't even get the message across quite clearly even as they were hitting us over the head with it. Whereas I saw what I thought the writers were trying to tell me in season 11 through all the little details they gave - but without hitting us over the head with annoying avatars of what they thought we were supposed to be seeing that mostly just detracted from what I was seeing (because I didn't generally agree with them.)
I'll take those details (and for me there were a lot) that for me fleshed out the emotional arc and story - if you are still interested in my potential ramblings - over to the "All Seasons Thread."
And of course for me this does not apply to Sam's emotional arc, because that one got derailed in the middle of the season for me. It ended ehn okay, but I didn't agree with the shortcuts the writers took to get there. But as I said, in my case, with what I usually get for Sam's emotional arcs post season 7 (I thought season 6 and 7 were excellent emotional arcs for Sam, for example) at least this season didn't also trash Sam as well as give him an emotional arc that didn't make much sense. I'm used to not so good Sam emotional arcs by now, because as I said, since the beginning of season 8, those are more the norm than good arcs. I liked season 11 though, and season 10 alllmost got there... and then kinda blew it for me in the end.*
* For those who get the reference: imagine that Will and Grace episode where Grace and Jack get on the Antiques Road Show where they love to watch the people think they have that great antique only to find out in the end that it's just a really good reproduction and Grace and Jack love to go "oohhh" in an "oohh... so close" way. That's what season 10 was for me.
Sorry, that probably didn't answer your question very much. : /Let's just agree I'm kind of dense sometimes and tend more to concrete thing. Sometimes the more abstract confuses me a little. I've read this several times and am just not finding anything specific that helps me to better understand where you are coming from. How about we just accept that we have differing ideas on this one and that we both feel we have sound reasons for our opinions. Thank you for taking the time to try and explain your thought process to me. Its obvious you carefully considered my question along with your answer and I really appreciate it. I'm sure there will be other things about SPN we will want to discuss. :-)
-
-
30 minutes ago, 7kstar said:
I wish I felt confident about the writers, but Jensen's latest con story about Mary demonstrates how little thought they gave to bringing Mary back. So much of the good stuff seems to be a happy accident. I think that is the biggest crime.
Or Jensen spins gold out of straw.
-
4
-
-
20 minutes ago, rue721 said:
Haha I would LOVE to have seen that. I would LOVE to have seen the epic falling out that John would no doubt have had with the BMOL and what he would have to say about them afterward.
I guess that's the thing, I just straight up think John is an interesting character, and LIKE him. He always comes off as an enormous pain the ass, but in a way I find endearing and entertaining -- because he's smart, and he evidently feels things deeply, and I can really respect (and enjoy watching) that. I just can't like Mary the same way, because she is just so so dry.
I think the idea of bringing Mary back is actually kind of awesome and ingenious, because how do you un-fridge a woman? What happens to everyone else when the un-fridging occurs? I like the set up. But she's not clever and doesn't have a lot of heart (or even personality), and it just gets so dry watching her all the time.
I much prefer John. I always found him very interesting and thought JDM was excellent.
-
3
-
-
53 minutes ago, AwesomO4000 said:
It could be an Amara happy mistake, but the writers wanted it to be instead the forgiveness parallel all along.
And IMO, you give the writers a lot of credit which I doubt they earned. I personally don't think a writing staff that pretty much has trouble keeping even the mytharc stuff straight is capable of this kind of nuance and long term planning. And Dabb has already demonstrated, IMO, that he isn't that interested in Dean's storyline anyway so I don't look for him to have put this kind of thought into it. What over the past two seasons have you seen that display this depth of forethought and planning on an emotional arc? Just curious. I am trying to understand where you get the confidence in the writers you have.
-
3
-
-
5 minutes ago, AwesomO4000 said:
Hmm, interesting. I didn't even consider that, because she was Chuck's sister, and Chuck knows everything, so I figured when Amara came to her full power that she would, too.
We were never given any indication of that on screen. In fact, I would argue we were shown more of the opposite.
5 minutes ago, AwesomO4000 said:Also she had a bond with Dean, including sending him a vision of the future in the first episode... or sending a vision from herself in the future to Dean in the past perhaps, since in the future is when she got her powers juiced up. Anyway, she was in Dean's head from the beginning of the season.
But we were never shown she could get into his head that well. If she understood his thoughts and feelings we wouldn't have seen her confused by Dean and his reactions.
5 minutes ago, AwesomO4000 said:Maybe Amara seeing that picture of Mary and Dean triggered something that she felt in Dean's head. That feelings Dean had now concerning Mary were conflicted, but the photo showed better times - sort of like how she and Chuck used to be before it all went wrong - and once she was with Chuck and realized how good it was to have that forgiveness and reconciliation, she wanted Dean to have that back, now too, just like she now did again with Chuck.
I don't give the writers that much credit. I usually go with the obvious, not the convoluted concerning their character development. They usually aren't nuanced in the writing IMO. They like anvils when they have something specific.
5 minutes ago, AwesomO4000 said:I guess I could see it being either thing
And it could be what your saying. I just lean the other way.
5 minutes ago, AwesomO4000 said:because if Amara just wanted Dean to have Mary's love, she could've brought back a version of Mary from before she died or altered Mary in some way - i.e. given Mary previous knowledge of Dean and Sam's life, etc. - to just be loving... But then Dean might still have his abandonment issues and maybe still wouldn't be able to connect with Mary, but not know why. Sure Mary would love him, but would Dean potentially wonder - even subconsciously - why now? and/or is it just too late? He might even feel a bit guilty for maybe not being completely satisfied with Mary showing all this love now when he might be subconsciously thinking "why didn't she care enough about us back then by doing more to save us, warn John, etc.?
Actually, I do agree that's overthinking it. I really doubt the writers think about it that much. Unfortunately I doubt we'll ever know. Even if they came out and said something now, there would be tons of well deserved speculation that they were just trying to take undeserved credit for a happy accident.
12 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:Her decision to gift Dean was made in about 30 seconds after she and Chuck reunited - so I don't think there was much thought on her part beyond "I got my family back, so I'm going to give you yours". She saw a picture of Mary, so Mary it was.
Man, you just condensed everything I said into two sentences and even simplified it more. I really suck at this.
-
3
-
-
3 minutes ago, Wayward Son said:
I'm definitely not stating anything as fact :) . I just don't think Misha / Cas is 100% secure the way some other fans do. Plus the show has demoted him before so it's not impossible for them to do it again. Plus with the shows ratings declining this season the CW may have demanded they cut back costs and the demotion of Mark and Misha would have been a pretty effective way of doing so. As I said this is pure speculation / musings on my part and not at all a statement of fact :)
I understand your just speculating and anything is possible.
2 minutes ago, DJG1122 said:Another thought. Mark Pellegrino was in 13 Reasons Why which is renewed for S2. Supernatural may have had to make him a regular to lure him away from that Blockbuster.
I wish they hadn't. :-(
-
2 minutes ago, Wayward Son said:
This is pure speculation
Has it been confirmed that Misha is a series regular again next year? I wouldn't be surprised if we were to learn that both had been demoted and Misha chose to stay while Mark chose to leave.
I would be really surprised. I don't think even Dabb is crazy enough to want to face the absolute firestorm that would cause. I like Cas but am not a super fan and even I recognize how badly Dabb would be stepping in it. :-)
-
4 minutes ago, DittyDotDot said:
It could be true in the sense that I think contract negotiations were after they finished filming the finale. So, it could be they did the massacre hoping to get them all back and then something broke down in contract negotiations for Mark Sheppard?
I have no facts to offer, just a wild guess.
Possibly being demoted to reoccurring instead of regular. Speculation there too.
S12.E22: Who We Are/S12.E23 All Along the Watchtower
in Supernatural
Couldn't agree with you more. +a zillion
I expect them to unfortunately. However, I keep hoping that after the disasters this year either Dabb will learn or Pedowitz will step in. I don't think there is hope for Singer. He has the option of just retiring.