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Priscilla Van Acker was an awful mother and total control freak, her husband was a piece of shit as well. Other completely awful parents include : The Christian nut job from Family Values, what an absolute freak with no bearing on reality. He deserved the death penalty The dad from Death Roe, I'm surprised more people haven't mentioned him. The fat piece of shit molested his daughter for years and then killed his son in law in a gruesome way and killed the innocent food critic. Hope he got the needle as well. The dad from Phantom was an evil manipulator. The dad from Cherry Red who treated his son like garbage but then killed a woman to prevent his son's crimes from being found out so he could continue to freeload off his son. Both the parents from Magnificat, especially control freak dad. The mom from Happy Family, what a totally evil bitch. The dad from Pravda, surprised no one has mentioned him. What a disgusting self righteous murdering piece of trash.

I agree, Rubirosa was much more attractive. Beauty Queen had no talent or personality and was only there for her looks. But I have to disagree about her using her sex appeal against the Muslim guy. Unlike hardcore SJW's, I don't feel any sympathy for terrorists who commit mass murder or chop people's heads off because something offends them, and I don't give a fuck about their feelings.

Great ideas here, I wish we could have multiple shows almost with these characters the way Dick Wolf's Chicago shows have a ton of crossovers with different shows and departments. I wish we could have an SVU squad with Fin in charge and without Benson and have a DA's show with Barba and also O'Dwyer who I hope to see again on SVU and bring back Jack McCoy as DA and Munch as an investigator.

Oh absolutely, black people get punished a lot harsher than white people usually, not always though with athletes, look at what happened with Jameis Winston, he got away with a rape because he was a star. Athletics is a big money business on every level, and superstar athletes are part of the social elite that controls most of the justice system, that's why it is easier for them to get away with violent crimes.

Detective Beauty Queen was the worst actor ever to appear on L&O, she had no talent and never would've gotten any job if it wasn't for her looks. Rubirosa joining did help in season 17 because Borgia sucked and had no acting talent either and her and Beauty Queen at the same time would've probably gotten the show canceled.

The poster is absolutely right about how star athletes get away with a ton of crimes because they are athletes. The Brock Turner case and the Idaho case are great examples of how star athletes are treated differently, the same goes for members of fraternities. There is a different law for those groups of people because of the extreme influence they have because of money. So the dad was fairly accurate about how it is easy to get away with stuff as a star athlete.

Yeah they certainly didn't do a good job with her, she was a terrible actress and had no chemistry with anyone, between her and some really subpar episodes writing wise, episodes such as Release, Melting Pot and Talking Points were really poorly written and cliched compared to most L&O episodes, season 17 nearly spelled the end of the show. Fortunately they got rid of Beauty Queen cop and got new writers and the show improved in season 18

PC is preachy, being politically correct is usually not good, it's usually different than being polite and treating people with basic decency. Like I say, the Benson fangirls who worship Mariska got the SJW's into SVU, and that's why it has much more preachiness than other crime procedurals, for example SVU's 9:00 competitors Major Crimes and Criminal Minds. I don't like preachy episodes either. I don't mind doing some episodes that might have a political slant that would piss off some people, usually those on right wing websites, by doing stuff about social issues such as abortion or LGBT rights or stem cell research, and I don't mind SVU doing episodes that involve "rape culture" on college campuses because it is a problem, mainly with frats, the season 14 episode Girl Dishonored was a great episode and a great example of an SVU episode that dealt with rape on college campuses without being ridiculous or over the top with preachiness or PSA messages. But now with Mariska in charge and her super fangirls being the only ones the writers seem to listen to, we get a ton of very preachy, after school special like episodes with a ton of overacting from Mariska.

Like the other poster said, the military and the police are 2 totally separate organizations and their rankings have no correlation. Members of the military frequently use "Sir" and "Ma'am" when addressing non military members. I did like seeing Captain Williams call out Benson on addressing her by her first name like that, it's unprofessional and its treating the victims like babies, Olivia does it frequently and I was glad to see her called on it. I love might kazoo's storyline idea, but it would never happen because Mariska has a huge influence over the show and she has to be portrayed as doing no wrong and being the saintly heroine, and woman will always be the victims of evil men because that's what the loud mouthed Tumblr SJW's say and apparently that's the only group the writers listen to. I agree wholeheartedly about the ultra PC rape culture PSA tone. I think that it started around the time the SJW bullies rose up a few years ago, they were attracted to the show because of Mariska's real life feminism and advocacy for rape victims, and they started having meltdowns on social media about non PC jokes and comments and so the show became very preachy and Mariska stopped acting and started playing herself. I think that MH in real life is extremely similar to Benson now. I think that Mariska is the reason why the SJW thought police have been drawn to SVU but not other crime shows and that's why SVU has more preachiness. I really like what skittl said about Hysteria, that was a good example of what the show should be like, there shouldn't have to be preachy moments where Benson convinces the victim to stand up for herself and then nods dramatically as they make a PSA like announcement. The lines shouldn't read like a PC manual, people don't talk like that. I prefer episodes involving SVU solving crimes, not delivering a PSA announcement. There have been plenty of great episodes with living victims, and they don't have to involve dramatic scenes with PSA like dialogue and Benson making Horatio Caine-esq promises to them.

Yeah I said they had different names but I always wonder if the writers meant it to be the same judge. The same way I wonder about whether the defensive attorney played by Ned Eisenberg on L&O and on SVU were the same character, even though on L&O he was called Granick and on SVU he was named Kressler. Could go either way.

Yeah the PC crap has gotten outrageous, I hate how a moron group of social media fangirls who act as thought police has taken over the show and is trying to make it more and more PC and dictate what is said, what Benson has become is such a joke, she's so over the top and preachy now. It's really stupid how these fangirls will dismiss earlier episodes just because of the use of a term that is now considered derogatory. Good points people make about how some of the Neal Bear episodes are fun to rewatch just because they are so absurd, it was like they were written by someone on an acid trip but they can be funny they are so over the top. The current bad episodes are just painful to watch they are so full of sanctimonious drivel. I would like to see a spinoff with Barba and Buchanan as well.

The best jaw dropping moment was the end of Prince of Darkness "She doesn't have an uncle". The look of horror on Schiff's face was quite memorable. The moments mentioned in Life Choice were jaw droppers as well. Several times I've been shocked at stupid comments made by main characters that I usually like : for example, McCoy apparently feeling sympathy for the nurse who performed sterilizations on unknowing black women ( what the fuck was up with him?), Bernard's idiotic, appalling comment about abortions in cases of rape in Dignity ( I wanted Lupo to punch him ) of course Serena apparently being sympathetic to the parents who pimped out their son to be molested, Serena was frequently overly sympathetic for a prosecutor but that was the worst example, also Nora's defense of the dad who killed the insurance company guy in Undercovered, she was such a soft DA. Nora and Serena on at the same time was hard to watch, 2 very soft bleeding heart pushovers that were sometimes too sympathetic to defendants to be good DA's on at the same time made the second half of season 12 episodes challenging to get through at times.

My favorites would be : Judge Schreiber, who seemed very fair and unbiased, Judge Bradley, another very good judge that probably appeared more than of them between L&O and SVU, and Judge Pongracic. Also I liked judges Callahan, Karan and Harrison Taylor they were always good in their appearances. One thing I always found funny was that they had 2 separate judges named Rebecca Stein and Rebecca Steinman, both of them were good judges. Worst judges would be Nathan Marks from ID, William Wright, who had an extreme bias against McCoy for some unknown reason, and Edgar Hynes from Jeopardy who threw a case. It's interesting as I've never connected the fact that the same actor played Hynes and the judge in Indifference but they had different names. I wonder if they were the same judge.

I agree, the writers seem to be only listening to Mariska and her devoted fans, because they act like that the show is Benson only, just look at their social media posts, it's all Benson and MH. I think that SVU and the L&O franchise are so popular and have been around for so long that they just aren't putting in much effort now. SVU is still popular but I think NBC wants it to fail because there is a war on procedurals by the big networks and the thought of the Trump episode ever airing scares the hell out of NBC, and the current writers are just clueless and have no idea what to do or how to run the show it seems. They think that all SVU fans worship the ground Mariska walks on and cares more about Benson than anyone else, they seem oblivious that SVU has always been an ensemble drama and that fans want more of Barba, Fin and Carisi. And you are absolutely right that the show panders to a specific crowd with their endless rape culture preaching episodes, and I think that they do this because it's what Mariska wants. There is a very vocal group of fangirls that worship Mariska/Olivia and want the show to be a female empowerment message instead of a crime show, and these fangirls tend to be young females from big cities in their 20's with some hispter/SJW leanings that live pretty comfortably. And this is why we get so many cases where the victim is similar to the fangirls and the perp is some super rich, famous billionaire and it's a he said/she said case with only Olivia taking on the perp. I think they do this because they are pandering to these fangirls by doing episodes where someone very similar to them gets raped by a rich famous guy and the Olivia stands up for the victim and gets justice. The fangirls can relate closely to the victims almost every week which makes them worship Olivia more and more, that's who the writers are pandering to, by putting in all the preachy Benson comments and lectures and having all the he said/she said rape cases where no one believes the victim but Benson, and why they seem to deal so much with rich and upper class people now. It's very weird how this one vocal group of fans has so much influence over SVU

Lots of good points being made here. I like the Warren Leight years better than the Neal Bear years as well, because the Leight years were much more realistic and straightforward while in the Bear years the show just piled on outrageous twist after twist to the point of the show being a parody. Warren brought the show back to what it was in its best years and seasons 13 and 14 had some great episodes and were almost as good as the shows golden years in seasons 2-7. Season 15 was when it got weaken, Munch and Cragen left and they were 2 of my favorites and most people liked them as well, and they never let personal biases or agenda's get in the way of cases and they weren't afraid to play devil's advocate and argue an unpopular opinion. Without them and with Benson in charge, Benson started dominating the screen time and jumping other characters who disagreed with her and her "the woman never lies" view. Also giving Benson a kid was stupid, and I don't give a fuck about her constant circle of law enforcement boyfriends. Her personal crap got too much screen time. And it's pretty clear that Mariska has jumped at the chance to push PSA messages in episodes and to portray Olivia as an all knowing saint who is the only one who can stand up for women and bring rapists to justice. It is very irritating how everything has to be about Olivia and how MH acts like she's in a soap opera with overdramatic expressions when something goes wrong and then she has to save the day. The current writers seem to be in disarray and don't know what to do and are just letting MH call the shots

Season 20 was the best season L&O had in several years. It was interesting seeing Jack as DA and how he had to balance the interests of his office and politics with getting justice. He gained an appreciation for what Schiff, Lewin and Branch had done. I remember he said one time, "now I know why Adam Schiff was so grumpy". It's a shame NBC canceled such a great show. L&O was great in almost every year of its run IMO, season 17 being by far the weakest link with the awful beauty queen cop but almost all L&O episodes are re watchable.

Absolutely right, I'm so sick of cliched scenes where the victim tells their story and MH nods along with an overdramatic facial expression. Like I say, MH is reminding me more and more of David Caruso and how he portrayed Horatio on CSI Miami : overly dramatic facial expressions, solemn promises to victims to get justice, condescending, preachy tone, dominating screen time at the expense of all other characters, and basically being portrayed as a superhero that is never wrong. The same can be said for Benson. The difference is, CSI Miami and the CSI franchise in general was always about style over substance and never very realistic, so it was just a part of the show and Caruso's overacting felt like a trademark. SVU has always told strong and realistic stories, and so Benson/MH's overdramatic posing and statements are very cringeworthy and out of place. This wasn't the worst episode ever, not even the worst of the season IMO, that would go Imposter, where Benson bullied Barba into prosecuting a case that clearly wasn't a rape to advance her agenda, or maybe even the one with Rollins' sister where they gave the stupid and offensive bipolar explanation to excuse her sociology sister killing people. Overall the worst episode of SVU would be one from the final Stabler years, one of the ones that felt like a parody of SVU than SVU, candidates include Bombshell, Wildlife, Branded, Wet, Lunacy. However those episodes at least were funny in how excessively stupid they were written, something this one and the other recent sanctimonious Benson episodes haven't been. You are absolutely right about how the heads have such a blind spot about the fans true feelings about MH/Olivia. They act like that all fans worship her and view her as their hero and want her to be front and center nonstop when there are just as many fans who think this is SVU not the fucking Saint Olivia Benson hour and want a more ensemble drama like it used to be and Barba, Fin and Carisi have lots of fans as well who would like more of them (no one cares about Rollins IMO, the majority of fans dislike her). There are just as many fans who want less MH/Benson as there are fans who worship at the alter of MH.

I have to say, it is absurd how long we are having to wait for a new episode. What a joke, it is clear the show is in disarray, the writers don't seem to know what to do at all, NBC doesn't care and Mariska's ego is out of control. They have no idea what to do with the show and so we are now having 2 or 3 fewer episodes at least than originally planned. I hate to say it because I've been a huge fan of SVU and the L&O franchise for so long that I would hate to see a 27 year run for the L&O franchise end but ending the show soon might just be a mercy killing.

I disagree about this episode, a preachy Saint Olivia hour, being better than Motherly Love and Great Expectations, both of which I enjoyed. MH clearly has a gigantic ego and makes a lot of decisions about the writing of the episodes and the excessive Benson screen time. It's funny because there is a lot of anti Benson sentiment on the online forums but every almost every episode it is all Olivia and it never changes. It is clear the show is nothing more than a personal soapbox for Mariska, NBC doesn't care about it and would probably like for it to get canceled so the Trump episode would never air. Mariska is in charge of everything and whatever she wants goes

We all know that anytime an episode is billed as giving more material for a character other than Benson, the episode will actually be about Benson. Last night the press release said Fin would be more involved when instead it was another Mariska Hargitay hour with the almighty Benson getting justice and making things right while Fin didn't do much more than usual. In fact I think Carisi and Rollins got almost as much screen time as Fin. So with this new Barba episode, I have a strong feeling it will be much more about Saint Olivia saving the day and about her feelings and reactions to it.

Good review. The episode was incredibly preachy and Benson was just unbearable, between her constant sanctimonious blather and Mariska's extreme overacting of the scenes. Like I said earlier, Mariska's acting is reminding me a lot of David Caruso's on CSI Miami, the constant over dramatic expressions, the solemn promises to victims, constantly being portrayed as a superhero who is always right, it's all similar. It was another case of Mariska's extreme influence over the show and it felt like a PSA for Mariska's foundation about helping sexual assault survivors. It was very disappointing that Fin had no more to do than usual and the fact that he was a ranger didn't even come into play at all, it was another Saint Olivia gets justice while delivering a sermon about rape. Fin should've been the one to be convincing Captain Williams to cooperate, he could've connected to her a lot better, I think she would've been more comfortable talking to Fin than listening to Benson's constant sermons about how she should act. Very disappointing episode, it seemed to have just as much preaching from Olivia as it did investigation. Mariska's huge ego has really harmed the show with numerous pointless, preachy PSA episodes such as this one. The writers don't seem to know what to do with a lot of the episodes so they let MH preach for an hour, and the show is definitely in chaos behind the scenes with its month long break.

Of course the episode will be all about Benson. Mariska's ego is way too big to share the spotlight with anyone. This whole hacker episode that's supposed to be about Barba will instead be centered around Benson, we all know that.

Disappointing episode after 2 good episodes. It was another example of Mariska's huge ego hurting SVU. The episode felt like a PSA with Mariska/Benson spouting the typical "don't be ashamed, it's not your fault" lines that we've heard 10000 times, and Benson was extremely preachy and irritating once again. It would've been much better had Fin been the one to talk to Captain Williams, he could relate more because of his past. But Mariska will not allow anyone but Benson to talk to victims because Benson is the almighty heroine and the only person on the whole goddamn planet who can stop rape and help victims. The good parts were that we didn't know who did it and all the squad got to investigate, and the identity of the perp was surprising. I'm glad it wasn't the CO as well, and the online troll guy was an interesting character, unlikable but not exactly one dimensional or a caricature. No personal drama either. I also loved when Olivia got jumped for calling the victim by her first name, it's so rare anyone ever criticizes Saint Olivia that it's nice to see when someone does. And I have to say, a month long break is a fucking joke. SVU is clearly in disarray with how the show is being run, and we've only had 12 episodes by the end of Febraury while last year we had 12 episodes by the end of January. There is clearly chaos, either the show runners don't know what the hell they are doing or the NBC network executives want to have fewer episodes, maybe so the Trump episode won't get aired. Also they care much more about promoting their new Chicago soap opera show than about SVU. Oh well, I will be watching Major Crimes on Wednesday nights now for the next month, that show is better than SVU anyway right now.

I'm enjoying the ION season 20 marathon on today. I really liked the lineup of Lupo/Bernard/Van Buren and Cutter/Rubirosa/McCoy. The episodes were high quality as well. Just saw the one about the Brazilian scientist that was poisoned, interesting episode as there was no murder as the scientist survived, and everyone involved was unlikable.

They have used Fin more this year which I like, he has gotten a solid role in a lot of episodes and we already got one Fin centered episode this year, episode 2 Making a Rapist. I hope he gets a good role in this one and we find out more about him. I also would like to see Ken again, he was always a good recurring character, way better than Stabler's worthless crybaby kids.