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I saw online that they are filming a crossover between the Mothership and SVU right now. Not sure how I feel about this - while I like that the shows are connected and have continuity between them, frequently crossovers don’t work well, part of what makes L&O so good is its consistent formula and crossovers tamper with that, plus St Olivia drives me nuts on SVU and has a way of hijacking the show to be all about her, I hope she doesn’t drag the Mothership characters down with her. On the plus side I would enjoy seeing Shaw/Riley work with the likes of Fin and Bruno, that would be awesome, and I wonder if they’ll work Carisi into the legal side with Price/Maroun. Oh well, we’ll see how it goes.

Season 7 is on today, so many excellent episodes this season, just one classic case after another Matrimony is a great episode, strong case with colorful suspects, it was a good twist that the mom of the wife was the one who killed the rich old guy and the wife wasn’t in on it. I liked the courtroom stuff with Arthur Gold defending the wife, he was always a great adversary and in this case his client actually was innocent and was rightfully acquitted, it was a bit different from the norm in that the DAs jumped the gun and believed the wrong suspect was guilty before figuring out the mother did it. It was a really well done plot. The killer mom’s rant about going back to Arkansas and being the “dancing naked idiot family” at the end was pretty funny. Also funny was the wife casually calling the detectives by their first names when they went to talk to her the second time. I did wonder if the lawyer would go to jail at the end or not. Good case with lots of interesting characters. Working Mom is another great episode, with the middle class women from Westchester moonlighting as hookers. I thought Jack’s closing was great and spot on, this was a case of a woman executing her blackmailer to keep her secret life hidden, not a case of self defense, Jack did a great job of laying out the real reason the murder occurred and how there was no evidence of self defense, and how the deceased was a blackmailer not a rapist. The victim was certainly sleazy but he never raped anyone or was violent against anyone, he was a blackmailer. I didn’t feel much sympathy for him but he didn’t deserve to be killed, blackmail doesn’t justify murder. I thought the husband was clearly lying when he said the wife told him about the shooting. The investigation was great as well, I liked how Briscoe/Curtis traced the credit card charges and money orders to get to the bottom of the case. The 3 part episode is on now, I know some people can’t stand it but I like it overall, it was nice to be able to go deeper into a case and see a longer investigation and trial, kind of wish L&O had done it again. The personal stuff with Rey was kind of irritating, it got so old seeing all women find Rey so attractive, but it didn’t ruin the episode. Lennie in LA was amusing, he was ready to play golf with the shrink until they had a lead on the case. I liked the trial scenes in part 3 and Adam’s giddy “makes them look weak” line after Jamie got the media to throw the defense off their game was funny, and of course the ending lines were great. It was also interesting seeing Olivet clash with the sleazy shrink, especially since he was played by the same actor who played the doc who assaulted Olivet in season 3 - I wonder if that was a hint to continuity when he asked Olivet where all the hostility was coming from. It was a pretty good case with the Hollywood suspects and the legal proceedings in LA and the intense media scrutiny. It’s not in my top 5 of season 7, there are so many good episodes from this season, but I do like it.

We’ve seen Brady and Baxter interact a couple of other times, Baxter called her by her first name in one of their interactions so they’ve clearly known each other for a while. I don’t know if she had been to Baxter’s residence before. I really enjoy seeing the police and DAs interact and work together, they did this very well during the last few years of the original run when Jack became DA, and I’m glad they are doing it again on the revival. During Van Buren’s run she had scenes with Schiff in a lot of different episodes, she had 2 scenes with Branch that I can recall, I don’t think Nora Lewin ever had a scene with a cop. It’s enjoyable to have all 6 main characters working together closely and I wish they had had more scenes between the two “separate but equally important groups” in the show’s early years - I would’ve loved a conversation between Lennie Briscoe and Adam Schiff, that would’ve been awesome! So it’s nice that they are working all the characters into scenes together, they’re doing it really nicely.

I usually dislike hostage situation episodes, they tend to bore me usually, the FBI original episode that had a hostage situation that aired on the same night as this one was done much better, because there was other action going on and enough twists to the plot to keep it flowing nicely. This MW episode had no twists and no other action to further the plot, it was just a dull drag, which I almost never say about this show.

I liked the interview of the witness with the dog, I think the dog barking just added a bit of uniqueness/humor, kind of reminded me of how we used to see more colorful witness/detective interactions and interviews on the show. I’ll add in one more comment not just about this episode but the season as a whole - I think they are doing a really good job having the police and DA characters interact a lot, I always like when they have that and they are doing a great job of it this year - we saw Brady visit Baxter at home in this one, we’ve seen Baxter interact with the detectives a couple of times, we’ve had lots of scenes between Price/Maroun and the police characters. Makes the cases feel like a full team effort instead of two separate halves and I really like that, L&O did a good job of that at the end of its original 20 year run and I’m pleased to see they are doing it again - it’s one thing the revival writers are doing well.

About Nolan’s family, he has two brothers, we knew about the one brother having a drug addiction and eventually OD’ing from it before this episode, it’s been mentioned a few times, he mentioned him when talking with his other brother Thomas in the episode with his dad’s failing health, and we saw a picture of the 3 Price brothers as kids when Nolan was packing up his dad’s stuff from the hospital. Maybe I was a bit harsh in my initial assessment of the episode with regards to Shaw, it just annoys me when detectives go overboard because of emotions, reminded me too much of how St Olivia on SVU is always playing god and putting her emotions first. I do think it’s time to give Shaw’s psyche a rest, this was the 3rd time this season when put in a conflicting position. Overall I just want the personal melodrama dialed back - I like the revival more than most it seems but I wish they would dial back the personal stuff, some episodes it annoys me more than others, I don’t mind an occasional dive into the characters personal lives but it’s been a bit much this season.

Have to disagree about Nolan - nothing Nolan did was slimy or underhanded - the defendant had committed perjury in a prior legal proceeding, it was very much relevant to bring it up to impeach her credibility. I got Maroun’s point that there is something of a double standard regarding sex scandals when it comes to females vs men, but any prosecutor would use prior perjury to impeach a defendant, man or woman. Nothing slimy there. It was the defense attorney Kate who was rather slimy, convincing a witness he would lose his job if he testified when his private stuff couldn’t even be brought up, and trying to pit Nick and Nolan against each other, which Nick called her on. I don’t know if they’ll mention Kate again but I doubt Nick could trust her fully after this. It was an interesting episode with some good character moments and a decent enough case.

Did you miss last season’s finale? That was the only other time we’ve seen Baxter’s personal life be featured, it was implied his wife didn’t want him accepting the DA job in the first place and then when he got their daughter to testify that was the last straw. But yeah they left the viewer to fill in the gaps between Baxter’s wife not showing up to support him on election night and then him being divorced now and seeing a new woman

It was weird how they didn’t explicitly address Baxter’s split from his wife - last week was the first mention all season of Nick’s personal life - last season’s finale heavily implied his wife left him when she didn’t show up at his election night party, it seemed like their marriage was in trouble for a while and Nick persuading their daughter to testify was the last straw for them, but it’s weird how there wasn’t a line early in the season about Baxter being divorced now - he likes to keep his personal life private but it was odd how nothing had been said about it. I have a feeling this is probably the last we’ve seen of Kate - I don’t think Nick could trust her again after her slimy behavior in this case. Maroun may have had a point that there is a double standard for women about their sex lives, but I get sick of her whining and like I said earlier, Price would’ve been derelict not to use the prior perjury to impeach the defendant.

I think there are 22 episodes this season. Good call on the guy at the Fisk club, the episode you are talking about is Melting Pot from season 17 - his character in that one injured the women who was going to call the cops and then his boss finished her off because he didn’t want the police looking into his company’s practice of hiring illegal workers. They interviewed several female suspects so I would have to rewatch it to see which one the poster above is talking about - off the top of my head I remember them intervening an ex girlfriend and the crisis manager and then the actual perp. Baxter seems to get the amount of screen time that McCoy got in seasons 18-20 as DA, he got an increased role then, his screen time was reduced to his age on the revival so I think people are used to seeing a bit less of the DA. I like Baxter and am fine with him getting the role that Jack got in seasons 18-20, and while Brady gets a bit too much screen time she’s grown on me since the start. Shaw/Riley remain my favorite part of the show, they are both awesome. I’ve liked Price pretty good this season, he’s always been rather hit or miss but I think he’s been good overall. Maroun can exit any time though.

Agreed with all of this, although I thought a manslaughter 1 plea might at least be discussed, but yeah I didn’t buy the self defense claim, she bashed his head in 3 times. Maroun is definitely not in the right profession, she can really drive me nuts at times, like I said above Price would’ve been derelict not to use the prior perjury to impeach the defendant. And yeah the defense attorney was slimy and was really pushing ethical boundaries, I don’t think Baxter could trust her again after the way she acted in this case. Not a fan of her either.

This episode just felt like a boring drag - didn’t care about any of the people involved and I wasn’t invested in what the outcome was - fitting that it was a mistrial as it was a murky case, although Carisi made a good point that if the genders were reversed it probably would’ve been different. But overall it was just dull and felt like a waste of Bruno and Fin, nice seeing the courtroom which has been one of the best things about this season, but I had no interest in the case

Interesting episode albeit predictable in the second half. I was surprised a bigger deal wasn’t made about Baxter’s girlfriend/the defense lawyer basically committing witness tampering, I thought she was slimy, and I think Baxter was starting to agree by the end - she seemed to think that anything was justified to try to get her client off. I did wonder why a plea deal wasn’t discussed more, as this case could’ve gone either way - 5 years was too light but I thought a plea to manslaughter 1 might’ve been agreed to by both parties - the victim was sleazy but there was no evidence of attempted assault and I think the killer was just fed up with him and she bashed his head in 3 times, that wasn’t self defense, but given the victim’s slimy character I wasn’t sure the jury would convict. I agree it was a bad idea for Nick and Kate to be having dinner during the trial, and I also thought Kate was slimy for trying to pit Nick and Nolan against each other, and I was glad Nick called her on it. The judge didn’t seem pleased with Kate at all, but I was kind of surprised a bigger deal wasn’t made. Maroun was annoying once again when she was whiny about Price using the prior perjury against the perp, what the hell was she expecting? Price would’ve been negligent not to use it, Maroun really needs to reevaluate her career IMO, she would be better as an activist lawyer than a prosecutor, she really grates on me. The investigation was good but it was weird how Shaw vanished after the start and didn’t appear again until testifying at the end. I missed him and Riley working together, they are a great pairing, but I liked seeing Violet get some action in the field and Riley and Brady worked fine together, while it remains kind of annoying how much screen time Brady gets, she’s grown on me, I liked her at the club, her grabbing a handful of the mints and then passing them around to Riley and Yee was funny, I liked that bit of humor. But it was odd that Shaw vanished, I wonder if Mehcad Brooks was busy during filming? It was also weird how they never explicitly talked about Baxter’s divorce from his wife. I did like seeing him and Brady interact though. Decent episode but the second half was predictable and only unique because of Baxter’s tie to Kate. And while the investigation was good I missed Shaw/Riley together.

Episode description A complicated case of sex and drug use divides the squad; Carisi must convince a jury to focus on the law and not the defendant’s allegations.

Episode description When an up and coming politician is found dead, Shaw and Riley untangle the victim’s personal life to identify a suspect; Baxter recuses himself to help Price make the case.

I was bored with this episode, maybe because FBI original did a hostage situation episode tonight and did it much better than this one with a better flow and good twists throughout, while this one was just dull. Say what you want about Remy, yeah he can be over the top and has an ego, but he adds a lot of charisma to the show, and with him missing the show lacked energy again. I found this episode to be dull as dirt, and I didn’t get why the hostages didn’t band together and overtake the woman at the end when she was distracted by the shooting of her partner. So underwhelming for the 100th episode.

Couldn’t agree more - I really enjoy Wes as team leader and I like how they’ve added more humor and he’s a more laid back team leader than Scott was, and yeah Vo is awesome. It’s so stupid that CBS cancelled this show, especially if they go forward with that stupid sounding CIA spinoff that I won’t be watching. Really pissed off that this awesome show and the awesome MW have been cancelled - fuck CBS!

Another strong episode, solid case and investigation. Nice scenery of Venice as well. I’m really bummed about this show being cancelled right as it’s hit its stride, Wes is better as team leader than Forrester was IMO and I really like the chemistry of the team. The ending of the storyline about Riley digging up dirt of Wes felt rushed but it wasn’t a great storyline anyway.

Another good episode - usually I’m not a big fan of hostage style episodes but this was good, had enough twists and turns throughout to keep the pace going and the story never dragged at any point as is sometimes the case in these type of episodes. I liked how it started with Maggie and Scola investigating the murder and how it tied into the plot, and I liked the work from Jubal and the others at headquarters. I figured at the end OA would talk the mastermind down, but it was a better plot that she killed herself and OA stopped the train. I liked how they got the perps to turn on each other. This show is consistently solid and has a very good cast of characters, so glad it’s been renewed and I’m still disappointed the other two FBIs have been cancelled.

I’ve made clear my dislike of a lot of season 6 but I saw two of the episodes I do like from this season last night on Charge - Privilege and Albatross. Privilege has a strong case, albeit predictable, it was obvious to me Ernest would be the perp but it was still a strong investigation and I liked how it played out. I loved Goren telling Grant to sit down and shut up after they discovered his neglect of his mother. Also entertaining was the guy at the playground who was the father of the victim’s kid and was flirting with everyone and his lawyer wife came in to repressed him and then told him he needed two new lawyers - a criminal one and a divorce one. Albatross was interesting in seeing Eames get a bit of focus with her admiration of Maureen, I didn’t feel much sympathy for Maureen by the end, she should’ve stopped the shooting, especially when she discovered the judge would be the one getting shot. And she should’ve dumped her sleazebag husband George a while back, that guy was an epic lowlife. It’s a good case. It annoys me how even in the good episodes Ross still gets a lot of screentime, way more than Deakins ever got, and Ross was just such a condescending prick.

Season 6 has a lot of great cases as well - Jeopardy is my favorite, Encore is a close second, it was great bringing back Dobson the sleazy club/restaurant owner who kept having his wives killed, and Encore was an excellent plot. Other very strong season 6 episodes off the top of my head are Hot Pursuit, Paranoia, Trophy, Atonement, Slave and the first Homicide crossover Charm City. Season 6 has a lot of great episodes, I think my opinion of the season is somewhat diminished by my hatred of the season finale Aftershock - it was complete garbage and a terrible exit for Claire and it brings the season down a notch IMO.

Humiliation is on right now on WE - another good one. I think I’ve said this before on here, but I think season 7 is L&O’s best season from a case standpoint - just one excellent case after another - off the top of my head from season 7 we have ID, We Like Mike, Terminal, Legacy, Working Mom, Matrimony, Survivor, Menace, Past Imperfect, Barter - all those are excellent cases, some of my all time favorites really. I dislike Curtis but yeah there are a lot of great cases during his time on the show.

Savages is a pretty good episode, it was a great twist that it was the accountant Sandig who killed the undercover cop and not his drug dealer client, I liked how they figured it out, good detective work. Curtis was a prick as usual though and I loved Anita chewing his ass out when he got rough with the suspect in interrogation, Curtis was such a smug prick, I really couldn’t stand him a lot of the time, and he kept on being a wiseass to Anita and Lennie throughout this episode. It was interesting seeing Adam having to decide whether or not to seek the death penalty, I liked his interaction with his judge friend, I have mixed feelings about the death penalty but I felt no sympathy for Sandig and I didn’t buy his remorse act - he was a greedy bastard who was just sorry he got caught, his wife saying he “wasn’t a bad man” was pathetic, yeah he was, he put 6 bullets in a detective so his financial crimes wouldn’t get exposed , just because he was well educated and rich and on the surface respectable doesn’t make him any less evil. It was a clever move by Jack to have Sandig charged for killing a witness to a crime so he could charge murder 1. Jeopardy is probably my favorite episode of season 6 - an awesome case. I love Adam going to the police station to confront the corrupt judge, that was great, only time we saw Adam at the police station, he was great in that scene where he just gives everyone a look letting them know he wants to talk to the judge alone and then tells the judge he’s going to prison. I also liked how Adam realized something was off with Judge Hines because of how he had ruled on past cases, referencing one of Ben’s cases where Hines had ruled differently under the same circumstances. Jack was great here as well, I liked his argument about how double jeopardy didn’t apply because the defendant was never in jeopardy and the defendant couldn’t profit from illegal activities. I liked Jack telling Nicodos that he kicked the system and don’t be surprised when it turns around and bites him after the judge reinstated the charges. I like the detective stuff as well and how they zeroed in on Peter Nicodos as the perp. It’s a great episode.

Yeah I felt no sympathy for Lasky, he was a very fucked up dude, he killed two innocent people he never met and he was very mean to his daughter, she was the one I felt sorry for, having a sicko dad like that and a mom who seemed spineless. Yeah Mrs Foley was an elitist snob and I didn’t like her but Lasky killed two people that he never met including a child just because of a 30 year old grudge. He gets no sympathy from me. Cutter’s trick in that episode annoyed me because I felt he was very lucky to find a woman named Susan who was in the sorority at around the time of Lasky’s college years who wound up marrying a blue collar guy. Yes Susan was a more common name back then but still it felt very lucky and Cutter would’ve been screwed without it. It just got old how often Cutter resorted to some kind of trick to win.

My guess is financial issues as well - I bet both MW and International are costly to film, with MW being on the go constantly at different locations and International being overseas in various places. Whereas with original FBI a lot of scenes are set at headquarters. Still a huge bummer though, I liked both shows, if Dick Wolf had to cancel shows I wish he would’ve cancelled one of those Chicago soap operas or the Olivia Benson Hour aka SVU.