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When the camera zoomed in on the torn off leg, it really embodied what these broads are all about: pure crass.

Okay, I’ve watch Lock N LOL Crew about 12 times now. The musicality in that performance was off the charts. That’s what dancing on the beat looks like, and I loved it. I even loved the song/music. Bad song choice can sink some of these performances. Either dance on the beat, or dance on the off beats, but these dancers who commit to a routine and then pick a song afterwards do themselves a huge disservice when it doesn’t match up.

Yeah, why didn’t the dude that LuAnn was with diffuse the situation with the police? I never understood that...what a coward. Out of all the things to be arrested for...being in someone else’s room accidentally and not stealing anything...somehow it went from molehill to mountain in a hurry. LuAnn must have said some countessy things to piss them off.. at the very least I’m sure she was dismissive of their authority which wouldn’t have gone over well.

No time - I don’t think LuAnn turned until the cops were arresting her? Wasn’t she about to hook up in someone else’s room right before? I don’t think it was a progression into foul behavior, she snapped when she realized the cops were not amused by her behavior and weren’t accepting her explanation. Admittedly, I do believe she thought she was being wrongly arrested at the time because she thought she was in her own room and couldn’t understand what the problem was....she thought her belligerence was warranted. She probably thought she was going to sue them once they realized their mistake... now the fleeing and attacking stuff was pure alcohol fueled frenzy fight or flight response.

That makes sense, but has LuAnn admitted to being an alcoholic? I’m not sure she identifies this way...despite going to rehab twice! I’m one of those who thinks LuAnn’s rehab stints are for pr, not to address a real problem, and I think LuAnn thinks that too. We wouldn’t know If she’s in AA unless she has admitted it, but I’m willing to be that she is not -unless she is attending to bolster her legal defense. She’s just pretending that she is getting the help that she needs to get out of legal trouble. That’s why it’s preposterous for her to be chastising Dorinda. Moreover, a real alcoholic working the program would know that it’s futile to reason with a drunk while they are drinking, right? LuAnn is running several games simulataneously with the cop incident, her persona on the show, her persona in real life, and her legal trouble with her ex/children.... so no matter what sage advice she gives, it lacks all credibility and sincerity.

Yes. I think Kathyrn’s past behavior was abhorrent, and I was rolling my eyes at the pats on the back she was getting for just keeping it together. However, what’s the alternative to praising her behavior? Sure, everyone could say nothing, but continually referencing her past failings could cause her to think that it doesn’t make a difference what she does, she will never be good enough so why bother, which could lead to a relapse. Addicts are fragile and are prone to think this way. For nonaddicts, praising her seems like giving a kid a trophy for graduating from 7th grade, but for Kathryn, hearing that everyone is supoprting her and proud of her progress serves as positive reinforcement that should spurn her to keep going continue to improve her life - it sounds absurd but it really could be the difference between life and death. [It seemed to me that Kathryn was uncomfortable with the praise that she was getting for simply not losing her mind, but I think Kathryn knows that she played a part in her demise and is working towards making good choices and taking charge of her life - which is why I flinched when Cam called Kathyrn a victim - that is a step backwards.].

Oh snap! I stand corrected. Good call. And I watched that madness! Why didn’t Kandi get in trouble for hiding assets when she knew that was the exact reason she was storing them? Maybe this is too off topic....

I recently resolved a business dispute by providing texts from 5 years ago, so yeah, they’re important when they’re from contractors for instance. The silly ones from friends, no, those aren’t necessary to keep and my friends know that I do not respond to texts and don’t clog up my phone with nonsense - yeah, I’m a bowl of fun. I hate texting and even switch over to my landline for phonecalls, but texting has become the new email and it seems no one checks voicemails anymore either. I just looked, and I used my cell phone for roughly 20 minutes last month. I want to get rid of that albatross. Remember when the phone rang and you wouldn’t know who is calling? Or you left the house without a map? Exciting times back then.

Dorinda is naturally animated though. Sonya’s way of portraying the same level of emotion whether she is saying she just bought a purse or saying what’s wrong with Tipsy girl is infuriating. Sober or not, I understand Dorinda’s rage at the things that come out of Sonya’s mouth with no consequences. E.g. that “failed movie deal” that was really calculated fraud on her part. Hell, it drives me mad and “I have no skin in the game.” It’s like the defendant who’s been coached to calmly say on the stand that he didn’t do it. If I’m accused of murder and I didn’t do it, I would be like “I DIDN’t DO IT!!!! with extreme and urgent emphasis!!! Strangely, society has decided that calm = reasonable = innocent/trustworthy? Not for me. I relate more to those who emote, so I’ve never understood this concept. In my world, there are many situations in life that warrant some modicum of loss of control and anything less indicates apathy. There must be some posters who agree (maybe not about Dorinda) because of the viewpoint that Carole was cold to Bethenny and should have shown more emotion. *shrug*

Yes. The only approach from LuAnn that would maybe- just maybe- be acceptable is if LuAnn looked at her and said, “Don’t be me.” “I don’t want what happened to me to happen to you.” And, it should be off camera. Anything short of that provokes Dorinda while also making LuAnn look like a colossal hypocrite - which was the result.

Super cynical viewpoint here, but I think out of all of the housewives who drink heavily, LuAnn is probably the best of the lot - she is truly a fun drunk. I actually don’t buy this alcoholic rehab business - it’s convenient because in today’s society, if you say you have a problem and then go to rehab, then all of your bad behavior is excused period. Does she fall under the definition of alcoholic? Probably, but so would most people who don’t need to drink, but when they do, drink heavily and need to leave their car at the bar. The thing is - she isn’t the one regularly doing outrageously damaging things when she drinks - probably some regrettable hook ups, but usually she’s “all cool” . This whole Palm Beach thing didn’t seem like LuAnn at all - it really seemed like an anomaly (like Reese Witherspoon’s “Do you know who I am?”). Don’t know about this failure to create a trust business, but if true, isn’t that hard to blame on booze? Literally, every day that passed, she could have created the trust, but chose not to, right? So... she didn’t do it because she was drinking, and then she didn’t do it because she was in a dry drunk fog? I understand alcoholics have a behavior profile in addition to the drinking.... but I’m simply not buying it. Nope. Greed and Ego are the most likely causes of her problems. Afterall, she is the Countess.

I’m pretty sure none of the content on the show can be used in court to prove veracity - it was tried before (I think on Teen Mom) and it’s not admissible because it’s a tv show and indeed has scripted content. Big shocker! That’s not to say you can’t see behavior on the show, investigate it and demonstrate that behavior with other evidence.

True, but remember that time when Bethenny was on the receiving end of whirling dervish Sonya? Going on about her toaster oven the football team, her brands, etc...... Bethenny was the exhausted one while Sonya was all over the place. That’s when Bethenny finally understood what Heather was dealing with.... Bethenny does know how to focus when she needs to - I think she’s having a hard time because it involves her personally and she isn’t in control.

No! But that’s because money solves most problems, but not all - e.g. full custody. If anything, Bethenny is probably pissed that money can’t buy everything (unless you’re going to go outside the law). It kind of bothers me too. Money equals freedom, not to mention it provides food, shelter, health care, etc. Money gives you more choices and opportunities to make bad choices. Bethenny was messed up before having money and now she has princess problems with the money - mostly protecting and maintaining her empire. Case in point - lottery winners. Many lottery winners end up miserable - not because they won the lottery, but because everyone around them - friends, family, neighbors, colleagues didn’t win the lottery. They want what you have - maybe feel entitled to it, and they show their nasty side because humans in general are nasty. (There is no greater threat on earth than other people.) You are shocked to realize that the richer you are, the more you are exposed and vulnerable to people who have nothing to lose, and the wealth becomes a burden that you are constantly paranoid about losing. Your entire life becomes protecting your shit. Most people spend their lives trying to acquire stuff. Acquiring stuff is the easy part....protecting it is a skill that only those who grew up very wealthy know how to do. By the time you have figured out how to protect your stuff effectively, you’ve already lost most of it. :( End rant. No, but really, it’s better to have money than not have money. How much one needs exactly is a whole different thing - but hey, if having too much money becomes a burden, just give it to charity. You’ll feel good about yourself, make a difference in the world, and can get back to focusing on what really matters in life rather than the status of your investments ;).

She may not... I think she knows well enough that her drinking is off the rails, but she doesn’t care... she is miserable about some things in her life, but if/when someone lectures her, she’ll probably say “oh, and you’re so perfect?” She doesn’t seem to worry about her job security on the show. LuAnn saying anything to her about drinking is simply a nonstarter because of LuAnn’s own situation - it’s really more of LuAnn’s high and mightyness. I don’t think Dorinda is in denial of being a drunk, she’s just not really interested in fixing it. And the other women don’t feel the need to stay sober around LuAnn necause they don’t really care about her. They tried to give her solidly friendly advice about not marrying Tom, but she told them to worry about themselves. In that vein, LuAnn’s sobriety is her problem. If she can’t be around alcohol, she needs to get off the show. Frankly, I’ve always considered LuAnn a fun drunk. Yeah, drinking may have led to her actions in Palm Beach, but the real reason she wasn’t in control of her alcohol that night is because of her hang up with Tom - I mean why would she go back to the same place she got married? Was she looking for trouble? Bonkers. What’s even more confusing to me is that it seems she actually was into Tom - I thought the whole thing was possibly a storyline or something (which is why she wouldn’t care that he was cheating) - maybe it’s not Tom, but the fact that he was so messy about it and made her look bad - her ego is bruised. The whole thing is Looney Tunes.

Right? Remember when she actually initiated a hug with LuAnn?!? From the woman who hates hugs and “is not a hugger” you knew that couldn’t be right... I called red flag on her sincerity for that. Or, she really was being sincere and knows that she may hate hugs but LuAnn likes them, so she went out of her comfort zone to prove to LuAnn that she really means it... I’m not sure. Carole seemed to stick with the support LuAnn narrative for awhile, but it was probably because she knew that it wasn’t a good look to gloat, and she already had the satisfaction of LuAnn being publicly humilated with the added benefit of the entire nation seeing that LuAnn is a fraud when it comes to proper manners, being a Countess, etc. - and the fact that LuAnn is still contesting the charge really shows that she’s learned absolutely nothing - especially if she plans on ever visiting Palm Beach again. She may have decided that “drinking” was to blame for her troubles, but her real problem is her lack of contrition. LuAnn is still too proud to accept her licks.

Yes.. and when Bethenny was screaming at her to “read the texts. Read The Texts! READ THE TEXTS!”. (The new “Go To Bed”) I was like “dude, that is not going to make Carol want to be your friend. I’m no Carol fan, but in this instance, I was like Bethenny “slow your roll” - let’s find some common ground here because no matter what we were fighting about before, it’s becoming clear that maybe we shouldn’t be friends? Sometimes it’s not what you’re fighting about, but how you go about resolving your differences, right? Bethenny ‘s approach was more along the lines of proving she is right rather than screw the texts how do we get back to where we were. Though neither one of them seemed to take ownership of their roles in this tomfoolery. Someone was going to have to bend in order for them to be friends again -and it ain’t going to be Beth! They don’t even seem to like each other anymore so why bother? (See Beth with her consolation prize comment)

Kind of rich though, right. Remember when she threw the glass at Kristen? And not apologetic about it....

Yes, Bethenny is a victim of her own success. ;) I love her, but she needs to get her act together. She is seemingly irreparably damaged.... so she goes on this show to validate that point, and then she turns into a big success and her accomplishments look even greater because, well... she’s so damaged yet overcame it. It’s insane the amount of things she has going on, but it’s by her own design. This show and her other shows are like a big experiment to prove something.... to the world, herself.. I don’t know. I get exhausted just watching her sometimes. I will say that although these shows are scripted to some extent, RHONY always seems so real. Their actions/conversations/emotions seem like it just can’t be scripted sometimes. Or they’re really good actors.

Yes, but my eyes got wide when the first thing she said to Beth was “do you like my earrings? Carole gave them to me” I thought Sonya had a death wish for a second... but then she tempered it by saying that Carole was using her to try and figure out Beth and it turned out okay... Sonya is really at her best when she plays the role of repairing relationships... when she’s the focus, she’s a wack job...she’s so strange

I’m a Dorinda fan, but yes - I don’t see much difference between the sober/drunk Dorinda. Like you said, it’s a keeping it in check thing when she’s sober. For everyone who wonders why the cast proceeds to get eraser faced with alcohol- it’s to have an excuse to say the mean things they say. I’ve been accused of saying some pretty ruthless hard truths about people with absolutely no alcohol and being bummed out that I couldn’t later blame it on the booze - you can’t walk it back or minimize it later because it was said with absolute clarity. ;( Yes, bad experiences do happen with alcohol, but frankly overall - unless physical activity is involved, for me alcohol does make everything better - moderation and all. However, If I were on this show, I would be drinking heavily to just tolerate the sheer lunacy of my poor judgment deciding to be on the show. ;). Oh, and that’s a decision that presumably all of them made sober - so were’s not dealing with normal people here.... these are very damaged people who go on these types of shows.

I totally thought they were both going to be stranded in the ocean because Ben had just pulled up the anchor, so the boat would be floating away while they are in the water....

This business about June wanting to see Hannah for a couple of minutes really bugged me -unless she was talking about watching her from afar - but to actually meet with Hannah would be incredibly damaging for Hannah wouldn’t it? How messed up would Hannah be after that? June doesn’t seem to understand the danger and compromised positions that she puts people in -or she just doesn’t care. I hate agreeing with Aunt Lydia, but June does seem selfish sometimes (considering the dire consequences of her behavior in this new world).

On Watch What happens Live, I recall Bethanny admitting that indeed she is a “know it all”- I think she said sarcastically, “I do know it all, but I’m not an I told you so person.” This was in response to Luann’s admission to Bethanny that she was right about Tom.

That was pretty funny - it reminded me of that movie Intern with Dominique Swain.