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Thanks, Lenny. When does S18 begin?

Angela always thinks she's found dirt on Michael. What usually happens is Michael will say something, or Angela will demand his phone and finds something on it, and she'll get angry and tell Michael to explain whatever it was he said or she found. He'll start to explain, and she'll cut him off and start screaming that he's lying, he always lies, and she can't believe a single thing he says. Then she'll come up with her own explanation of what he said or she found, and it's always something that indicates he's scamming her, flirting with other women, or tonight — helping other Nigerian men scam American women like her. A big part of the problem is Angela's mouth is far bigger than her brain. Intellectually she's average or a bit below. Despite making multiple trips to Nigeria since meeting Michael, and having access to a small computer with Internet almost consistently during that time, she's learned very little about Nigerian culture and how most Nigerians live on a day-to-day basis. Instead of taking the time to learn about such things* (too much work, probably) she thinks whatever she comes up with by way of an explanation for something Michael said, or something she found on his phone, is right. Diploma-carrying graduate of Dunning-Kruger University, most likely. Scholarship student, for sure. * It took me all of three minutes to find out what a piggybank is in Nigeria. I used the small computer with internet access that I have with me at all times. 😉

Angela confronts Michael about the incriminating evidence she found; Thais' friends question Patrick's loyalty; Emily's parents debate the dowry; Liz says goodbye to Ed for the last time; Sophie's mom oversteps. Air date: 6/16/2024

Damn. In the first half hour of tonight's episode we already have Angela being emotionally, verbally, and physically abusive to Michael - ON CAMERA. She's ugly, she's ignorant, and she has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

Thank you, Salvame. 😊 I spend several hours a day engaged in research online. There is something I'm seeing more and more frequently, even from professional writers and journalists, and that's the rampant misuse of the word "where." "Where" is a locative, meaning it's used only to refer to a physical place. But I see it used to refer to time: "There comes a point in time where this matters." Should be: "There comes a point in time when this matters." "There was also that scene in Seinfeld where a telemarketer calls Jerry at home." Should be: "There was also that scene in Seinfeld when a telemarketer calls Jerry at home." I also see "where" used in place of "which": "Do you really think you have a relationship with your son where he feels free to tell you a truth you don’t want to hear?" Should be: "Do you really think you have a relationship with your son in which he feels free to tell you a truth you don’t want to hear?" "Where" used in place of "who" (or used in the middle of a sentence for no reason; it's almost as if "where" is the new "like" for some people): "We had a next-door neighbor where they had their house remodeled, and they were going to put it on the market." Should be: "We had a next-door neighbor who had their house remodeled, and they were going to put it on the market. "In most bridal stores, the dresses aren't displayed in a way where you can just leaf through them and browse on your own, the way you can in other retail stores." Should be: "In most bridal stores, the dresses aren't displayed in a way you can just leaf through them and browse on your own, the way you can in other retail stores." For anyone who's read this far, chances are you'll now notice every time the word "where" is misused in a sentence. Once I became aware, my brain began slamming on its brakes every time I was reading and the word "where" appeared in a sentence. It still does today. First I scan the three or four sentences that come before the sentence that uses "where," to see if a place/location was mentioned I skimmed over and don't remember. If there isn't, I can't continue reading until I've corrected the sentence so it makes sense. I don't correct others except when I'm reading something written by a professional writer who made the same mistake more than once in the article. If someone is getting paid to write, then their writing should be free of most grammatical, spelling, and punctuation errors. For example, just this week I was reading the latest piece written by a major newspaper's advice columnist, and they used "where" incorrectly three times in that one article. I emailed them to bring the errors to their attention. I hope they'll use "where" correctly when writing articles from now on, but there's no guarantee they'll read my email or care to learn what word(s) they should use to take the place of "where" when they're writing. To bring this back to the Johnstons; all of them have atrocious grammar. Some of their grammatical mistakes may be excused as acceptable to their regional dialect, but not all. "Brice and I's" is not a regionally accepted sentence construction anywhere, AFAIK. What I don't understand is how Trent, Amber, Jonah, Liz, and Anna all graduated from college but the grammar mistakes each of them make consistently were never corrected. Regardless of a student's degree program, English courses are a general education requirement.

Emily finds out the truth about Kobe's ex. Patrick and Thais' families collide. Angela finds dirt on Michael. Sophie's mom meddles in her relationship. Manuel demands more money from Ashley. Gino hangs the pageant over Jasmine's head. Liz's mom confronts Ed. Air date: 6/9/2024

OMG. If I have to hear Liz say "Brice and I's..." one more time I'm going to lose it. "Brice's and my..." isn't. that. hard! Have they stopped teaching in school how to construct a sentence that refers to yourself and another person, and how to quickly and easily determine the right pronouns/name forms to use if you're unsure? I recall being taught: First say the sentence to yourself as two separate sentences, to see if the pronouns/name forms you're planning to use are correct. Example: Brice and I's house. ❌ Brice house. ❌ I's house. ❌ Now simply figure out what form of "Brice" you'd use if the house you were referring to belonged only to Brice, then the same if the house belonged only to you: Brice's house. ✔️ My house. ✔️ Brice's and my house. ✔️ It's not just Liz that does this, of course. I spend hours a day researching online, and I see people constructing sentences referring to themselves and another person incorrectly dozens of times a day. It's at the point now those who do construct sentences of this type correctly are in the minority. In regards to Amber's continuing to manage her adult and nearly adult children's lives: One of the (many) things Amber does that drives me crazy is her using the pronoun "we" when telling one of the kids something they should do or can't do. After Jonah's Delta 8 B.S., Amber took great pains to tell him (paraphrasing, except for the "we") "We need to concentrate on getting back on track, so we don't need any distractions, like long phone calls, or visits with Ashleigh." "We need to look for a job; that's one of our priorities." During Trent and Amber's sit-down with Liz about the baby, Amber used "we" multiple times. As for Trent and Amber's reaction to Jonah and the whole Delta 8 crap? Ridiculous! I don't believe for a second Jonah's extreme reaction had anything to do with Delta 8. (Full disclosure: my 26-year-old [at the time] daughter and I tried it and had no reaction. Meaning: felt absolutely nothing). Jonah probably had more than one. But even if that were the case, I still wouldn't believe his reaction was from the Delta 8. My theory is after he took it, he starting thinking about what would happen if his parents found out. The thought they might triggered a full-blown panic attack. (FYI for those who've never had one: you feel like you're actually dying. It can be terrifying). Of course Trent and Amber's reaction to the incident was completely over the top. They either haven't received — or did receive and subsequently tossed away — the memo that JONAH IS AN ADULT. If my daughter had done the same thing at that age, I would have said: Me: So, it looks like you tried Delta 8 last night. Did you enjoy it? DD: No. Me: Going to try it again? DD: No! Me: Good plan. Also Me: Hey — would you rather we cook chicken or a couple of steaks on the grill tonight? And THAT would be the end of it. Question: If someone were to pray all five kids go no-contact with Trent and Amber, would that make them a bad person? 🤔 Asking for a friend.

Angela's daughter grows suspicious of Michael. For once, John and Thais see eye to eye. Rob questions if Sophie's an opportunist. Jasmine offends Gino. Ashley's finances shock Manuel. Alex debates returning to Israel. Emily waits to meet Kobe's ex. Air date: 6/2/2024

Angela learns the fate of Michael's visa; Patrick presents Thais with the worst birthday gift; Gino's actions push Jasmine over the edge; Ashley decides to protect her finances; Liz and Ed try to move on; Emily wants to meet Kobe's ex. Air date: 5/26/2024

Alex juggles a lot as Loren recovers; Rob and Sophie's sexy fun ends badly; Mahmoud accuses Nicole of cheating; traditions raise tensions in Emily's family; everything is on the line for Angela and Michael as his final visa interview approaches. Air date: 5/19/2024

Do you guys remember April Levine? She was on SYTTD in season 7, with her fiancé Sonny Mukhopadhyay (he was the guy who referred to himself in the third person). TLC subsequently did a 1-hour episode about their over-the-top wedding. I was looking to see if they were still married, and discovered Autumn passed away on Dec. 17, 2023, at home. There is no info online I could find regarding her cause of death. She left behind her husband and their two small children.

Emily's mom jeopardizes her African wedding with Kobe; Rob and Sophie hash it out in therapy; Alexei is shocked by Loren's state; Ed and Liz finally meet after he called off the wedding; Patrick upsets Thais on her birthday. Air date 5/12/2024

I agree it's Nicole causing the drama, but not that she's "mentally ill." I think that term is thrown around too casually online when actual mental illness is a serious matter and a diagnosis that can only be made by a licensed physician. Mahmoud had only been in the U.S. for *2 days* when what was shown in this episode was filmed. I was thinking about you saying you think Mahmoud is "in the closet" in a post in S08.E02: The Princess and the Pea Brain - and that he and Nicole have no chemistry. Here's something to consider: If someone was raised in a culture which absolutely forbids people showing any attraction to a member of the opposite sex in public — even their spouse — how would you distinguish them from someone who is same-sex attracted? Of course Mahmoud knows he's being filmed and that what is being filmed will be available to be viewed by...the public. So to him there is no difference between walking through a bazaar with Nicole and talking to her in their bedroom with the camera crew present. If they're being filmed — regardless of where they are — they're "in public."

Thais' dad makes his feelings known to Patrick. Nicole goes looking for Mahmoud. Manuel leaves without Ashley. Jasmine reveals surprising news to Gino. Sophie's mom stokes her distrust in Rob. Loren goes under the knife. Air date: 5/5/2024

Next Wednesday, May 1, 8:00pm EDT.

Relationships in various phases including a holiday fling that turned serious, a holiday romance that turned into a pregnancy, and Americans hopeful their romance with their local islander works out. S4 Start date: 4/22/2024

Has anyone heard/read anything about Season 23 recently? Several reliable publications — such as WWD (Women's Wear Daily), Warner Bros. Discovery, Good Housekeeping , etc., — all published articles in December 2023 announcing SYTTD Season 23 would premiere Saturday, April 6, at 8:00pm EDT on TLC. But clearly that didn't happen and there have been no updates online from any sources. That's weird, isn't it?

The Denver singles unite but the marriage drama endures, as clear divisions are drawn between the men and the women; one couple revisits their chemistry to see if it's worth rekindling. And with this, MAFS season 17 is DONE! Air date: 4/24/24

Liz gets blindsided by Ed; Mahmoud packs his bags; Sophie opens up about her sex life; Emily's attempt to win over Kobe's friends backfires; after three kids, Loren wants her body back; Patrick and Thais arrive in Brazil after two years. Air date 4/21/2024

The Denver cast returns for part two of the season 17 reunions and the emotions are at an all-time high; the cast challenges one another on their truths and when a shocking new secret is exposed, there are tears, animosity and bonds broken forever. Air date: 4/17/24

One (or perhaps more than one) of the women said (paraphrasing) the men focused so much energy on the "optics" the fact they had just gotten married and were supposed to be developing a relationship with the women they were married to was practically forgotten. I know a lot of viewers think reality TV is scripted, but I recall something I read a reality TV cast member said years ago: "If you don't do it or say it they can't use it." So while shows like MAFS aren't scripted per se, at the end of each season production has hundreds of hours of film of each cast member. When reviewing the film, storylines will be suggested and the producers can certainly tell the editors to use the segments of each cast member's footage that will tell the story they've chosen for them. Although I have no idea who was gaslighting who in the husbands vs wives face-off, I'm leaning towards the grooms' side. From what I understand, there were so few men who applied for this season production had to scout social media (and perhaps do some in-person scouting at venues that attract single men) to find men and invite them to participate. I believe MAFS receiving more female applicants than male has been an issue from the show's inception, so they've always had to do this to increase their pool of available male candidates. But Denver's pool of bachelors was almost entirely* made up of men who were recruited by production. My response to anyone who expresses surprise that optics were a bigger priority to the men than forming a relationship with their wives is: "Duh. Of course they were!" Because of that this season was doomed to fail before it even began. *or entirely. I can't find the article I read that said all the men were recruited.

Jasmine worries Gino doesn't have her best interests at heart. Kobe's friends reveal shocking info to Emily. Patrick's brother disrupts Thais' Brazil plans. Things erupt between Nicole and Mahmoud. Rob distrusts Sophie. Ashley's tarot reading worries her. Air date: 4/17/2024

I think you meant to write "He was not oogling that woman in a suggestive way." 😉 They were walking around the Venice Beach area I think, and Mahmoud was just experiencing a bit of culture shock — as I bet Nicole did the first time she walked down a street filled with shops and restaurants and people going about their daily lives in Egypt. She would have been surrounded with people who dressed differently, spoke in a language she didn't understand, and whose body language and interactions with each other were guided by completely different cultural norms. So she should have expected Mahmoud to have a similar experience. Insofar as the Muslim woman he saw, I can relate to his reaction. I use a manual wheelchair full time for mobility, and when I'm out and about if I see someone else who uses a wheelchair, I notice — because it's nice to see someone who's like me. I suspect that's what was behind Mahmoud's reaction. Given the way the throngs of people in that area looked, he probably wasn't expecting to see anyone he could identify as being Muslim. Who knows — with all of Nicole's talk about how in the U.S. people can dress however they like, Mahmoud may have gotten the impression that here Muslim women don't wear hijab or follow any of the so-called rules for dressing modestly. So seeing a woman who was obviously Muslim based on her appearance may have startled him momentarily — nothing more. And one more thing: Nicole, if you don't want Mahmoud telling you what you can wear, where you can go, and who you can hang out with because of his jealousy and insecurities, then you need to keep your jealousy and insecurities in check and not assume any time he glances at another woman it's because he would rather be with her. Jeez.

Tensions are high as the entire Denver cast returns to revisit the most shocking moments from their season and reveal why their relationships have become so contentious. Air date: 4/10/24

I disagree Natalie is "mentally ill." What I see as her issues: 1). She wants to get married and have children, but she's close to, at, or past the age at which it's no longer possible for her to conceive without (expensive) intervention that has no guarantee of success — and she knows this but can't admit it to herself. Hence the reason she pursues men with such obvious desperation. It's also why she tries to get men to commit to monogamy in their relationship on the second date, while at the same time making clear to them she sees no point in dating any man unless they are also on a path from dating —> engagement —> marriage —> family with her. Show of hands, please, from all the single men on this planet who would agree to be on a dating —> engagement —> marriage —> family track on their second date with a woman. I see no raised hands and I'm not surprised. 2). Although she speaks English fairly well (certainly much better than most of us who post in this topic speak Ukrainian, I suspect), her English comprehension is lacking. This, combined with her defensiveness (stemming from major trust issues) results in her interrupting mid-sentence anyone who is speaking to her — to defend herself against what she thinks they said, and were about to say — about her. Usually the person who was speaking will try to get her to stop talking so they can explain what they were actually saying, but that's like trying to stop a runaway train, because... ...after giving her version of what she's certain the other person was saying and why that absolutely wasn't true, Natalie then accuses the other person of something she's just as certain they did or said: i.e., when Natalie insisted Mike's mother called her a hooker. By the time Natalie pauses long enough to take a breath, the individual who was talking to her has completely forgotten what they were saying when she interrupted, and now wants to correct whatever she claimed they did or said in the past. Which is yet another losing (verbal) battle. Rinse and repeat. Being an age at which your ability to conceive may be hovering close to zero, wanting a husband and family but not being in a long-term committed relationship that might possibly lead to achieving those goals, can certainly result in someone feeling desperate. Not allowing that desperation to show isn't something everyone can do, and it's not a sign of mental illness if they can't. Extreme defensiveness rooted in trust issues— even when the manner in which it's expressed runs counter to achieving someone's personal goals — is also not a sign of mental illness. Would Natalie benefit from therapy? Possibly (heck, a lot of people we share this planet with would) — but only if she goes willingly because she recognizes the way she approaches relationships and interacts with others may be what's preventing her dreams from being fulfilled. None of what's been shown of her in any of the 90 Day series in which Natalie has been a cast member has indicated she's ready to take responsibility for those behaviors though, so even if we all agree she needs therapy, it's a moot point right now.