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I've actually done the whole "can you grab me some..." thing in the middle of an argument, so that rang really true to me. It's like this thing where you're really emotionally hurt but at the same time you are who you are and you need time to process something but also your stomach is growling like a mother. It also gives kind of a layer that David is not going to shut Patrick out entirely, he just honestly needs time to decide how badly he's hurt and how to proceed going forward.

I'm surprised that neither Alexis or David thought of using Mutt's barn to stay the night in. His plants are so super dead. I kind of love David and Patrick's relationship. I like how up front Patrick is about his vulnerabilities while still maintaining a very clear confidence in who he is. The whole show just warms my heart.

So what you're saying is now I have to watch SWAT.

I would love it if this happened. Simone is actually a really great character and I trust that this show won't take it into tired love triangle territory without throwing in some curves. I trust that, however it does work out, it will be emotional and heartfelt and true to the character beats that have developed thus far. I also think the mindwiping is a well they've gone to a little too often, but I sat through 9 seasons of Supernatural and like 6 seasons of the Vampire Diaries, so I don't really have much room to criticize.

Very true, but I dunno. I'm a little bored with seeing the same old relationship storylines and I always think poly deserves solid representation!

When Rosa was having trouble deciding between Quinoa and Couscous, all I could think was that this problem would be a bit simpler if she were poly.

I just wanted to throw it out there that the Twitter account Holt creates in this episode is active and tweeting: https://twitter.com/5261796d6f6e64f I wish I knew how to post specific tweets and/or videos with the previews. Edit: I am wrong. The real one is here and only has the single post mentioned in the episode. I tried, guys.

Labia: the "slight tension" in Holt's "labial commissure" that gives away whether he got the promotion; Hitchcock gets super excited that they can say "labia" again. Referral Gina30: Gina's discount code for the resort that apparently everyone uses

"Back to work" Promo January 18 is so close!

I think Billy is a soldier, through and through, and also a sociopath. Someone said in an earlier episode thread that he has a lot of narcissistic tendencies, and everything has to come out his way, and I think that's pretty accurate. He doesn't see Frank as a comrade or a brother in arms any longer; he respects Frank's killing machine, but if it's aimed at him or if he can't use it to his advantage, then he has to take Frank off the board. So he uses the tactical advantages at his disposal to attempt to throw Frank off balance, since (let's be honest) he can't win in a solid hand to hand fight. I blew through this season in a couple of days, and enjoyed it a lot. A lot of the criticism for JJ and Daredevil focused on the fact that it felt like they had two or three more episodes than they knew what to do with; the bad guys kept getting caught and then escaping before the finale. I felt like Punisher didn't suffer from this, and narratively was very tight. I liked the sporadic use of ultraviolence, since that carried more weight than a constant stream of gore, and I enjoyed the flashbacks because they make sense in relation to his character. Frank is a man whose brain is hardwired to the moment his family dies. By necessity he romanticizes his relationships with his wife and kids, although sometimes the truth comes through (the scene with his son on the ferry, his confession to Karen, etc). It poses a very interesting question, because his whole life is about getting revenge, and when that's done, what is left? Apparently the comics had him declaring war on all gangs ad infinitum, but the show has a very specific take on Frank and I'm interested to see where it goes.

IMO, so far the show has done a really good job of illustrating PTSD. I haven't read the comics, but this iteration of the Punisher is formed largely by his time as a soldier, and the idea that you don't come back unchanged by the things you experience. Frank struggles with the fact that sometimes he would rather be in the mud and blood with his unit than with his family; Lewis comes to a natural conclusion with the idea of stolen valor and his pain and service being used to promote second amendment fanaticism. I'm actually digging this show because I didn't want to see countless episodes of Frank gunning down bad guys. I wanted to see what this man was made of, what constituted his idea of peace when he is this perfect killing machine, and I thoroughly appreciate being shown a perspective that I haven't experienced but can still try to empathize with. I don't know how heavily canon Frank leaned on his military background, but I definitely feel like this is a topical lens, and I'm sort of glad that it's being presented. ETA: When Frank went through that prison fight during DD S2, I felt it was supremely necessary as a parallel and an illustration of how he does things. Matt Murdock spends his days brawling with evil dudes, but until Frank came along, I don't think the audience fully realized how much Matt held back. Frank is a gore machine, and it's really interesting to view it through the lens of that character; he has no moral qualms about killing someone to further his end goals, and in the right setting with the right villains, that can feel super redemptive.

Thus far, Punisher and Jessica Jones are the only Marvel shows left standing.

I find a neat storytelling conceit in the interrogation of Nadeem within the old boxing club. It's truly a back and forth between players who each hold clout and it's kind of fascinating to watch his and Matt's confrontation over Nadeem's motives through the whole thing. Also, the scene where Dex brings Fisk his food and defers to him as "sir" is a beautifully subtle way to reference how far Fisk's machinations have gotten him.

I feel like that biggie portrait in Cottonmouth's officewas strategically placed. It's like one of those portraits where instead instead of the eyes following you no matter where you are in the room, the crown somehow lands directly on the person who is in power.

I have to rewatch, but one thing I noticed and found interesting was that Jamie finally returns to his formal kilt when he has the breakthrough. He spends the whole episode in this finery and being super uncomfortable and then when he finally solves the puzzle he's in the clothes he feels most comfortable in.

Well, to be fair, Jamie "had to" discipline Claire because of the negative effect her actions had on the rest of the traveling party. Her apology seemed to be enough for him, but Dougal et al needed to know that she had been punished for her transgressions (whether I agree or not is neither here nor there). This honeypot thing is between the two of them and no one else need know about it, so he's probably free to go with his natural inclination on this one.

Sure! I am not a fashion expert, so I will not be getting super technical. The first outfit she's wearing, when she goes to Master Raymond's, the lines of that seemed like they were more from Coco Chanel's closet than Marie Antoinette's. It felt like she took a 1940's riding outfit and grafted it onto a 1740's dress. And then that red dress, whoo. It's crazy that she stood out so much in a court with pierced nipple dresses, but the neckline on that thing was nuts. I liked that she wasn't showing the obvious parts of her breasts but the dress still felt a bit risqué. She was obviously wearing no corset, and every other lady there was corseted within an inch of her life (minus nipple swan lady), so that was a sign of Claire's 1940's sensibilities as well. It's like she's saying "I have to be here but I don't have to look the same as everyone else" and it's Claire, so obviously she's gotta stand out, but for some reason I didn't like it. Your mileage may vary, though, and I can't quite put my finger on why it irritates me, so take my opinion with a large grain of salt.

This might be an unpopular opinion (and I considered putting it in that thread instead) but I kind of disliked Claire in this episode. She just moves through a different time period with all these high fashion dresses like she was born to do this, and all her outfits have a 1940's nod to them and nobody blinks twice. I like a lady with confidence, but something about her in these huge outfits just rubbed me the wrong way.

That's Roger, the Reverend Wakefield's adopted son. They talked a little about him in this episode and showed him asleep in a chair in the first season (first episode of the first season?).

I do wish they had included more of the conversation that Jamie and Claire had on their wedding night, about how he understood that Frank was still alive in her heart and he didn't want her to forget him or replace him. I know they covered the "secrets but no lies" later but I felt like that created some depth to Jamie in the book that he is sort of missing in the show.

Frank doesn't have to take her back, though. I think that's part of the reason Claire was being so bald and hurtful with the fact that she's carrying another man's child, because she may not even want him to take her back, and he needs to know all the facts if they're to proceed in the relationship. He has to decide to himself if it's worth it, and I suppose that he's applying the same mindset he would have if Claire had had an affair during the war: it hurts, but her paramour is long dead, and they have a chance to start a family. I feel like his conditions weren't unreasonable at all. As far as he knows, she is going to raise the child in the present day and he was willing to be the father, and that couldn't happen successfully if Jamie's ghost was hovering all the time. They both have to make concessions to continue this relationship (though Claire's black jack flashbacks are admittedly a lot worse to me) and I felt that it was a mature, adult way to come at a situation that does affect couples out there (minus the time traveling).