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That's why I haven't brought it up as well. It's not just no makeup that makes her look strained and tired. It's the tight ponytail and the tense expressions that are pretty consistently on Jen's face this season. (She has a lot on her plate right now so that's fair. lol) I don't think the lack of makeup has any actual meaning this season, but it did in season four and five, so why has it continued when it was a deliberate choice before to show her struggle with darkness in 4B and her intense stress and sadness in 5B? I totally agree no one should wear makeup unless they want to. I don't wear makeup a lot of the time myself. I don't like that it's expected of women. However, I'm not talking about a woman in real life. I think Jen looks beautiful if she wears makeup or not. But lack of makeup on film looks different than in does in real life. And we've gone from full makeup (which I also agree was way too much) to what looks like just foundation. So they actually flatten out her face because there's no natural coloring at the cheeks and then they don't seem to add anything else. And yes, the guys are all wearing makeup. Every actor on screen in wearing some amount of makeup so that they look good on camera. I get what you're saying about the Sheriff thing, but when she was much more active in that role was when she had the most makeup and the most curled princess hair (which I thought was weird anyways). So what changed? What reason in text is there for such a change in how Emma looks? I don't think there is one, but when you have such a big change in how a character looks it signals that it changed for a reason. Seems like in this case the reason is outside of text (Jen's preferences).

I agree with this. Jen does a lot of research and puts a lot of effort into her work, but she should not have a hand in wardrobe and hair/makeup. Emma is not Jen, but Jen's influence has been her personal preferences that don't mesh with Emma's established style and that shouldn't have been allowed by the powers that be. I don't totally blame her because someone has let her have this much influence and I don't think she has enough clout or diva-ness to have demanded it. Emma's wardrobe does not make sense this year. A lot of the looks are kind of ugly to be honest and really don't go with what has been shown for the majority of the shows run. And I don't want to be the jerk who says she's not wearing enough makeup, but TV is a visual medium and lack of makeup is way more obvious on television so she looks tired/washed out/sick when in real life she looks totally fine. That's kind of how it is. She doesn't need to be wearing mascara, eye makeup, or even lipstick. But some blush, lip gloss, something would make a huge difference in making her look less stressed and tired now. And then the ponytail. Again, before the end of season five, I think she had only done one or two ponytail looks the entire series and even then they were sort of stylized ponytails. I just don't understand why Jen or the makeup people think a no effort Emma shows she is happy and walls down. Let her hair loose and put on some blush and I'm there with ya. No makeup makeup is a thing. She's the only lady on the show who doesn't seem to wear makeup and I don't really understand it. Light makeup don't take long. I hated the Dark Swan wardrobe. It was boring, lacked detail or visual interest and was way too restrained for a possessed with darkness Emma. How many freaking looks has EQ had? Probably over 50. But Dark Swan in Storybrooke had two or three and they were all black leather. Again, they shouldn't have let Jen have so much control of her wardrobe.

I barely care about anything on this show anymore, but I did have hopes that they would make a dress that would be pretty and flatter Jen. This is Emma's fairytale after all, she should have a beautiful wedding dress. That's all I hoped for. Or course, I was hoping for too much. She looks severe and old, and Jen is a youthful looking person usually. Did they not notice that she looks like Dark Swan? Tightly pulled back hair, covered up, red lips. Why would they style her like how she was in her days of being possessed by darkness? And this was Jen's idea I guess. Why do they give her so much leeway with her wardrobe? I didn't think she had enough clout to control what her character wears. And if this is her idea, I don't understand why she has such poor taste in wedding gowns. I think Jen is great, but she should have no influence with Emma's wardrobe. Her influence has done Emma a disservice.

I think art or fan made things would be more meaningful to actors (if they even like receiving gifts). I'm someone who doesn't like random odds and ends laying around so I get rid of anything extra I don't need (including gifts) and I'm sure there are celebrities who get gifts and promptly get rid of them. It's a bummer to think about, but I have to imagine most gifts that actors receive get thrown out or donated pretty quickly. I'm sure they really appreciate the gesture, but if you're constantly being given things from fans what else are you going to do with it all? For expensive gifts, I would agree that a donation to charity would be a better us of money, but like you said, fans can spend their money as they see fit. I generally don't like saying people should spend their money/time/effort on more noble pursuits, spend your money how you want. But in the case of buying expensive gifts for people who are rich, eh, I think in that case it would be better to give to charity which I think would be just as meaningful especially since many actors are affiliated with different causes. There's just something a bit transactional about the giving of gifts. Fans do it because they love the actors, but also they must be looking for some sort of recognition or hope of communication. Not that their motives are bad or there is anything wrong with wanting recognition! But it does come off as a way to open communication lines with someone you wouldn't have access to without the gifting.

I thought it was kind of weird. I understand that there's an impulse to give gifts to your idols, but I always find it a bit icky that fans (many who are younger and maybe don't have a lot of money) are giving gifts to people who make very good money, some of whom are millionaires. It's just this weird power imbalance where those in positions of influences are constantly being given gifts. It's always made me a bit uncomfortable. But that's just my personal opinion and fans should interact with actors how they want as long as it's appropriate and okay with the actors. I know the motivation is making those they admire happy, but buying a gift that expensive and personal for someone they don't know is probably always going to strike me as kind of weird. He could have bought that for himself, he makes more than enough money. So idk. Like I said- weird. I think it's an interesting thing to discuss though! The gifting and transactional interactions between fans and their idols is something that I don't think has been discussed much here.

I find the writing for Emma in the last two episodes to be very odd. For one, she has barely any screen time. Why is that? Fazing Emma out, JMO wanting time off, putting Emma and her story on the back burner? I want to know why the main character was barely around for two episodes in a row. In 6x12 they have Emma and Henry off on a canoeing trip as if there isn't someone in town set on killing her, but maybe he's taking time off his killing scheme, but also, maybe not?!?! *eye roll* I love to see a happy Emma, but her buoyancy and happiness juxtaposed against David's emotional meltdown and Killian obviously trying to distract her with confessions about fear of her dying sets an odd tone. Emma is not a naturally chipper happy person to begin with, so having her be so happy when pretty much everyone else is struggling around her makes her look oblivious. And thats not something I would consider to be a trait she normally holds. At least not when it concerns other's emotional welfare. We know in many instances she has been a little too overly concerned with how others are feeling. Then we have her one scene in 6x13. The proposal. Sigh. I found the whole scene to be uncomfortable and odd. I watched it feeling no connection to her character at all. And she's only one of two characters I still care about on this show! Let me break down my feelings on that scene. Killian comes in and calls her name, she comes bounding down the stairs giddy. Again, love to see her happy, but it feels weird in comparison to the tone of the season and considering her grim fate has not really been avoided. There's refusing to live in fear and then there's denial. She then kisses Killian and comments on tasting alcohol on his breath. Somehow this doesn't set off any red flags, neither does his very obvious upset/conflicted/nervous face. Okay. Super power, what super power? Now we have Killian start to broach the subject of Robert's murder. She interprets that as him starting to propose. Now, if she really thinks he's about to propose, why does she jump straight to assuring him she'll say yes? Let him get it out, sister. But also, Emma, he is very obviously not trying to propose. He looks like he's about to cry or maybe throw up. No one should be that oblivious to the emotional wellbeing of their romantic partner. And then he very clearly shows confusion to there being a question. "What question?" Emma doesn't notice this either. Full steam ahead. Then we have the confession that she was searching through his things with no explanation. Because that's a normal and in character thing for her to do I guess. And not only did she find the ring, but she took it out of the box and kept it with her for maybe the whole day? She is now determined to get that proposal. "What do you say?" I say that it's a little f***ed up to force a proposal on someone and very obviously ruin any plans they may have had. So in character right??? Emma who is afraid of every big step, who wasn't ready to move in with him even after receiving him back from hell as a special present from the gods. Now she can't wait even a minute for her proposal. Alrighty. ((Not that I wanted her to say no or hem and haw, but come on.)) "Are you mad at me?" I think we just got a revisit from wish!Emma. She sounded like a little kid who was caught being naughty. But he should be upset. You're are putting him on the spot to propose before he intended to after going through his stuff for no reason. There is cause. And then we get the proposal. "Emma, will you marry me?" And that's it. What a glorious bit of romance! And Emma is delighted. Never having noticed that Killian was confused, drunk, and on the verge of tears. Emma is not stupid, she is in fact pretty consistently emotionally empathetic. So what are they doing to her???? I hate the writing this season, I hate how they're writing Emma, and I hate the proposal. Even if you ignore the large murdered elephant named Robert in the room, it was the most generic quick proposal ever?? And only done because she basically forced him into it. This is what the protagonist, the hero, the princess of the story gets? I wonder is it Emma the writers hate or the fans of Emma. I just want to know when we can get the real Emma back. Because she aint here. Maybe she's in the shed.

I guess the difference would be that not a single person cared that Regina killed Marian, least of all Robin (her husband), but they've clearly set up that this is going to be a big deal. It'll be fine in the end, but they wrote this so that they have angst to disrupt the relationships between Killian x Charming and Killian x Emma. Whereas with Regina, I don't quite know why they had her be Marian's killer, because it amounted to nothing, there was no angst or issue because of it.

When speculation and spoilers started coming out about the episode, the positivity police kept moving the goal post like you mention. There was even the set visitor who saw him in costume and said "he didn't look that bad" in response to someone asking if he was aged and that was used as proof that he wasn't so old. Oh man. Remember when we just thought he might have been aged up for no real reason? ha ha. ha. ha. I don't understand these writers. Sorry but who gives a flying fux about August. The narrative was honestly sort of come together coupley for Emma and August. Why? You have a couple made up of your protagonist and a popular fan fave character and you make Emma and a rando no one cares about the "couple" to focus on in a premier. Okayyyyy If I didn't know any better, I would think Adam & Eddy have something against Colin. They very deliberately underused him in 6x10 and 6x11 (mocked his character for a short comic bit in 6x11) and I genuinely do not understand their reasoning.

I didn't think it was super likely Adam actually talked to someone over the phone, but I wouldn't put it past him to make some sort of offer. He has an odd desire to engage with a certain subset of fans who continually criticize him for the same things. I thought it was pretty funny how fandom shenanigans mentioned on a board from a different show would have some connection to fandom shenanigans for this one. It is interesting that interactions with Adam gave this person contributed to their idea that continually tweeting to writers can change the direction of a show. As far as Adam's tweets, at a certain point, if he's just gonna delete them, why does he even bother?

I was just reading the Supergirl boards on the newest episode and came across this post. Thought it was interesting. Who knows if it's true, but since it mentions Adam and his supposed interest in personally discussing the show with someone over the phone I thought it was worth posting. Adam mention is at the bottom.

I'm not trying to say I think for sure that A&E or someone on production gave permission to leak it, just that it seems possible. Leaks like this usually stay within the fandom so it's not like it ruins the experience for the general audience. But who knows honestly. It's likely it was just the pap looking to get hits, but I wouldn't be shocked it someone sort of made it know it was okay to spoil. What I find interesting is that some of the set goers and paps have relationships with people in production and get bts information that they wouldn't have from just going to set. And like some have said, I imagine the proposal not happening until the later half of the season, probably the finale. Way to built suspense right? Tease it in episode 12 or 13 and then don't follow through until 21. But I would prefer it be earned and not just pop up out of nowhere in a season that hasn't focused on that relationship at all.

Does anyone have any thoughts on what they're doing with evil snake queen? Do you think they'll kill her in snake form and now Regina is shiny and new having left all her evil deeds behind? Or do you think they're bringing her back as an actual human to deal with her?

Excuse my foil hat, but I kind of think the spoiler leak was maybe approved by someone on the show. The timing of the release is so odd. A leak about a captain swan proposal comes out less than a week after a finale that left Emma fans angry and making it known on twitter. This filming happened early last month right? Why release it now? And I saw a post from Canadagraphs themselves that said they knew about the proposal before the scene was filmed and that's how he knew what was happening even though you could only hear Josh. So that's odd that he knew ahead of time something like that. The timing is just suspicious to me. Distract the fandom. Throw them a bone. And that is my conspiracy theorizing for the day. :)

I'm so annoyed that Adam is saying on twitter that Emma was "punished" in the wish AU because "be careful what you wish for". Well she's not the one who made the wish, so already not making sense. He's so obnoxious. In wish fulfillment stories, the "be careful what you wish for" premise always applies to the person who makes the wish, which in this case is evil Regina. So how exactly is Emma the one bearing the brunt of the consequences? Oh yeah, it's once upon a time. But it's such a damn faulty premise that it pisses me off. Since when does the price of magic get paid by the person who is the victim of the magical shenanigans? Even on this show, they argue that the person using magic is the one who is supposed to pay a price. I guess it's just Emma who that applies to.

This episode has evoked a more negative response from my corner of tumblr (captain swan) than any other episode since I've been on there. There's a pervasive attitude in the cs fandom that positivity is the most important thing and criticism of the show is obnoxious or means you're the oh so horrible "negative". So it's interesting to see people who are sometimes the always positive police getting upset at the show. But of course, there are some officers who refuse to leave their post. I think short of killing off Emma or Killlian, certain people will defend the show to the death. Which whatever, do you. It's the condescending "you just don't get the show" attitude that gets to me. And it's happening even after that garbage fire of an episode. I think the always positive attitude is partially a reaction to being disliked by large swaths of the rest of the fandom and trends like Once Upon a Hook and claims that cs is ruining the show. But damn is it annoying to read people defend the show and imply or outright state that people who don't like it don't understand the show or aren't quite smart enough to get the writers' intentions. Off the high horse kids, this show doesn't deserve that sort of defense. It's just not that good and hasn't been for quite awhile. excerpt of a response that just annoyed the **** out of me: "I understood the ep perfectly as did my husband who has only watched 3 episodes this season. No clarification needed." "I’m also keeping into consideration the fact that just bc I understood doesn’t mean everyone else did and I’ve literally kept my mouth shut about it." "Maybe consider that just bc YOU didn’t understand and didn’t like it, doesn’t mean the entire world has to agree with you." This isn't the only thing I've seen like this though. I've seen super long meta's describing why it's obvious that the au was a product of EQ's thoughts and intentions. And I get that Adam is now sort of confirming that, but there is nothing in the episode that actually presented this. It's a solid headcanon, but it's not actually what happened. And now I'm seeing most people treat it as such. Even people who aren't being rude or condescending are implying that you just have to understand the episode correctly and the portrayal of Emma makes sense and I'm thinking newp. You liking a meta that someone wrote on tumblr doesn't substitute canon. I just want to hate watch this show in peace. :P