RealHousewife

I don't remember the last time I was so disappointed watching a reunion. This cast minus a couple is truly driving me nuts. Imagine a show with Garcelle, Denise, and Vanderpump! What could have been.

Hehehe, I never thought I'd see classy or gentleman used in the same sentence as PK!

I thought Rinna referring to her husband as Harry Hamlin was kind of cute, like she respected him as somebody in Hollywood. If Rinna annoyed you with her last name usage, I hope you are not a RHOC fan! Shannon Beador would give Madonna a last name.

Seriously, that was a crock. Garcelle is the nicest person sitting there. There are endless clips of Kyle being a true mean girl. I see why Garcelle decided to leave the show. There have always been cast members I genuinely like each season. It looks like next season might be what remains of Fox Force 5 and replacements for previous members. I've loved this show for so many years, and I'm going to be so disappointed if my only option is to hate watch or not watch at all. I don't think Garcelle wanted it to happen even if she thought it would. I think Garcelle's friendship with Sutton was real. I hope we don't see another pile-on though.

Early RHOBH had the best fashion. A lot of fans thought Kyle wore her dresses too baggy and that Vanderpump's style was too Dynasty, but it was not all the OTT looks that we get more and more of these later seasons. No one had constant logos either.

It's pretty much guaranteed Garcelle is always going to be the prettier one in any relationship because she is exceptionally beautiful. But yeah, her ex was an attractive guy-cute face, looks around her age, tall and appears to be in good shape too. It's bananas for Erika to compare him to Tom. And while both guys may have been cheats, only one cheated orphans and widows.

Exactly. I don't want to dismiss the trauma of a father leaving, but it's sadly not supper uncommon. One of the nicest people I've ever met had a similar upbringing to Erika-a father who never had anything to do with her and a mother who was very young and was tough on her. And like you said, some people have it worse and still grow up to be good human beings. Yeah that's exactly it for me and why I gravitate towards Sutton over most of the others. Her bad moments are normally a response to mistreatment. And when she is confrontational/inquisitive, she has valid points and questions, like the Girardi scandal. On Housewives, we've seen so many moments where it's clear a cast member is set out to humiliate someone over stuff that's not the public's business-malicious gossip about alleged affairs, implying a husband is a creep over nonsense (Potomac), secret surrogacies, alleging poor hygiene, STDs, etc. But a Housewife lived an OTT lifestyle off the backs of orphans and widows, says her cast members shouldn't give a f*** about anyone else but her, and Sutton is the bad guy for having questions? She's the one who mistreats people when they're at their lowest point? Give me a break.

Exactly. Some of the other women got a lot of flack for how they treated Sutton season 12. Sutton brought up Erika calling her the c word during the season 11 reunion. Diana said "but you are one," and she and Erika cackled. It was so gross to see Sutton treated that way, and fans were disgusted. A lot of us are really over picking on Sutton. Enough is enough ladies, and I use the term loosely.

Late watching, but I am digging this Boz.

Because I'm binging Potomac, I was reminded of Candiace. I think both Candiace and Sutton have good bs detectors and are two of the more genuine people on Housewives. Candiace in particular is known to be a disaster with social media. They are both often on the right side, but the way they argue at times doesn't work in their favor. The audience will just hear poor shaming or body shaming and sometimes forget that other cast members are guilty of infinitely worse behavior. I think the average person can put themselves in the shoes of someone with a physical insecurity or not having extreme wealth. It could be trickier to relate to having an attorney steal from you after you already went through tragedy or be unpaid glam or have someone spread malicious gossip about your husband on TV. Those things happen but are more unique situations. I would trust a Sutton or a Candiace with my life all day over an Erika, Dorit, or Gizelle, but I can see how the former could rub others the wrong way, especially more casual watchers who don't know about things like Marco Marco or Dorit being chased around for owing money.

You are both absolutely right. So many men say they don't like thin women, but what they mean is they don't like emaciated. They tell on themselves by the women they drool over. Thin women are generally deemed more attractive regardless of their face, and thin with big boobs and blonde hair is automatically considered smoking hot even if the face is average. A woman who has a stunning face but not the youngest or thinnest is probably more likely to be admired by other women. I guess women tend to appreciate true beauty more, and with men, it's more of a sex appeal thing. I know I get more attention from men if I wear things that show my shape more, and I get more compliments from women when I actually feel good about myself. I do think Dorit is a truly pretty woman even if she didn't have the Barbie proportions or nice head of hair. Yeah, black men appreciated curves other than breasts before butts became trendy, and they love truly curvier and meatier women, not just size 0s with breasts. I don't blame Gerry. We all have to go where the love is. I think Dorit's implants might look bigger because she is even smaller now.

I can see that. Maybe I'll try to catch the show just because I do like her. I really do think Denise is probably one of the most decent women who's ever been a Housewife. Yes, she can say and do some questionable things, but she doesn't have the meanness so many have. She also seems very openhearted and nurturing.

I like most Housewives less each season, but it's the opposite with Candiace. I like her more and more. I think she's one of the few who is genuine and she really is a nice person unless you hurt her. And yes, despite all the "spoiled princess" stuff, she really doesn't come across as this demanding diva on trips.

There must be something wrong with me.

That's exactly it. I recently watched an episode where Gizelle blamed Candiace for getting death threats and says that Candiace crossed a line that they can't get over. Gizelle is the one who crossed the line when she said disgusting things about Candiace's husband. I don't doubt that Gizelle's gotten death threats. There are lots of crazies out there, and many reality stars say they get them. But I don't think it's fair to blame that or the demise of the friendship on Candiace. Between Gizelle, Ashley, and seasons ago Monique, Candiace has gone through a lot as a Housewife. Fighting is nothing new on Housewives, but I do think the altercation in season 5 was particular bad, and despite her slick mouth rep, Candiace really didn't even provoke it. Gossip about husbands is not new. They gossiped about Mauricio for many years on BH. But for a cast member the Bassetts were kind to and considered a friend to suggest he was a "sneaky link" who was trying to see if she was down to hook up, that he assaulted a friend of Ashley's, that he messaged Ashley inappropriately, it was especially gross when it's so clear they took innocent things (or nothing) to turn into a storyline. I don't blame Candiace if she wants nothing to do with these people. She has a lot going for her, and she will be fine without the show. I could see Gizelle using Candiace as a scapegoat. I also got the impression Ashley was jealous of Candiace. Candiace was a lot more fortunate when it came to her parents and childhood. Gizelle reminds me of Tamra Judage. For those who haven't watched RHOC, it is not a compliment.