RealHousewife

Exactly, there is the whole "understand the assignment," and there's Brandi and Rinna. When Brandi first joined, a lot of us cheered her on for being outspoken, because most of it was justified. I also enjoyed Rinna early on, but she just got more and more mean. I do suspect Rinna is a nicer person than Brandi IRL. I know Rinna isn't an angel, but she isn't constantly beefing with everyone and their mother. Plus, what Brandi did to Caroline Manzo sounded horrible even for Brandi.

I'll also give this to Rinna-She has a better sense of humor than the rest of Fox Force 5.

100% I will miss her, but I totally think Garcelle made the right decision. I will try to keep up with all her projects, and who knows. Maybe someday she will return if the rest of the cast isn't so toxic.

@ Surrealist some of the fans who post on the women's social media are so hateful, they actually make me feel bad for the show villains. We snark and have fun on here, but even the harshest criticism that might include name calling, no one comes across as if they actually wish any of these reality stars harm. Social media on the other hand can be so toxic. It makes me sad that it probably also drives away people who would otherwise love to be on TV. I am also really over a lot of the Garcelle is boring criticism. It's one thing if you only like watching juicy drama, but to suggest all the others are riveting except for her isn't fair imo. Not having anything scandalous or salacious going on doesn't mean she's a boring woman or is hiding anything. When I think boring I think someone with no personality, sense of humor, no opinions. Garcelle has all the above. She's also one of the most beautiful women in the world. She immigrated from Haiti as a small child and speaks multiple lunges. She is a former model and has been working as an actress in Hollywood for decades. She's dated huge stars, and I agree with the person who said she must have bigger connections than Kyle does. Erika might play it like you're awesome TV if you're dealing with a divorce or lawsuits (about all the rest have that Garcelle doesn't), but you know she'd kill to be self-made like Garcelle, to have peace in her life, to not need the show yet still have a ton of fans who still really love her. Erika said Garcelle peaked a long time ago. What is Erika's peak? Is it now? Was it several years ago? Are we supposed t think she ever did anything that compares to the projects Garcelle still continues to do? Are fans supposed to cheer Erika on if peaking is dating/marrying the richest guy possible?

I don't remember the last time I was so disappointed watching a reunion. This cast minus a couple is truly driving me nuts. Imagine a show with Garcelle, Denise, and Vanderpump! What could have been.

Hehehe, I never thought I'd see classy or gentleman used in the same sentence as PK!

I thought Rinna referring to her husband as Harry Hamlin was kind of cute, like she respected him as somebody in Hollywood. If Rinna annoyed you with her last name usage, I hope you are not a RHOC fan! Shannon Beador would give Madonna a last name.

Seriously, that was a crock. Garcelle is the nicest person sitting there. There are endless clips of Kyle being a true mean girl. I see why Garcelle decided to leave the show. There have always been cast members I genuinely like each season. It looks like next season might be what remains of Fox Force 5 and replacements for previous members. I've loved this show for so many years, and I'm going to be so disappointed if my only option is to hate watch or not watch at all. I don't think Garcelle wanted it to happen even if she thought it would. I think Garcelle's friendship with Sutton was real. I hope we don't see another pile-on though.

Early RHOBH had the best fashion. A lot of fans thought Kyle wore her dresses too baggy and that Vanderpump's style was too Dynasty, but it was not all the OTT looks that we get more and more of these later seasons. No one had constant logos either.

It's pretty much guaranteed Garcelle is always going to be the prettier one in any relationship because she is exceptionally beautiful. But yeah, her ex was an attractive guy-cute face, looks around her age, tall and appears to be in good shape too. It's bananas for Erika to compare him to Tom. And while both guys may have been cheats, only one cheated orphans and widows.

Exactly. I don't want to dismiss the trauma of a father leaving, but it's sadly not supper uncommon. One of the nicest people I've ever met had a similar upbringing to Erika-a father who never had anything to do with her and a mother who was very young and was tough on her. And like you said, some people have it worse and still grow up to be good human beings. Yeah that's exactly it for me and why I gravitate towards Sutton over most of the others. Her bad moments are normally a response to mistreatment. And when she is confrontational/inquisitive, she has valid points and questions, like the Girardi scandal. On Housewives, we've seen so many moments where it's clear a cast member is set out to humiliate someone over stuff that's not the public's business-malicious gossip about alleged affairs, implying a husband is a creep over nonsense (Potomac), secret surrogacies, alleging poor hygiene, STDs, etc. But a Housewife lived an OTT lifestyle off the backs of orphans and widows, says her cast members shouldn't give a f*** about anyone else but her, and Sutton is the bad guy for having questions? She's the one who mistreats people when they're at their lowest point? Give me a break.

Exactly. Some of the other women got a lot of flack for how they treated Sutton season 12. Sutton brought up Erika calling her the c word during the season 11 reunion. Diana said "but you are one," and she and Erika cackled. It was so gross to see Sutton treated that way, and fans were disgusted. A lot of us are really over picking on Sutton. Enough is enough ladies, and I use the term loosely.

Late watching, but I am digging this Boz.

Because I'm binging Potomac, I was reminded of Candiace. I think both Candiace and Sutton have good bs detectors and are two of the more genuine people on Housewives. Candiace in particular is known to be a disaster with social media. They are both often on the right side, but the way they argue at times doesn't work in their favor. The audience will just hear poor shaming or body shaming and sometimes forget that other cast members are guilty of infinitely worse behavior. I think the average person can put themselves in the shoes of someone with a physical insecurity or not having extreme wealth. It could be trickier to relate to having an attorney steal from you after you already went through tragedy or be unpaid glam or have someone spread malicious gossip about your husband on TV. Those things happen but are more unique situations. I would trust a Sutton or a Candiace with my life all day over an Erika, Dorit, or Gizelle, but I can see how the former could rub others the wrong way, especially more casual watchers who don't know about things like Marco Marco or Dorit being chased around for owing money.

You are both absolutely right. So many men say they don't like thin women, but what they mean is they don't like emaciated. They tell on themselves by the women they drool over. Thin women are generally deemed more attractive regardless of their face, and thin with big boobs and blonde hair is automatically considered smoking hot even if the face is average. A woman who has a stunning face but not the youngest or thinnest is probably more likely to be admired by other women. I guess women tend to appreciate true beauty more, and with men, it's more of a sex appeal thing. I know I get more attention from men if I wear things that show my shape more, and I get more compliments from women when I actually feel good about myself. I do think Dorit is a truly pretty woman even if she didn't have the Barbie proportions or nice head of hair. Yeah, black men appreciated curves other than breasts before butts became trendy, and they love truly curvier and meatier women, not just size 0s with breasts. I don't blame Gerry. We all have to go where the love is. I think Dorit's implants might look bigger because she is even smaller now.