RealHousewife

Exactly. Some of the other women got a lot of flack for how they treated Sutton season 12. Sutton brought up Erika calling her the c word during the season 11 reunion. Diana said "but you are one," and she and Erika cackled. It was so gross to see Sutton treated that way, and fans were disgusted. A lot of us are really over picking on Sutton. Enough is enough ladies, and I use the term loosely.

Late watching, but I am digging this Boz.

Because I'm binging Potomac, I was reminded of Candiace. I think both Candiace and Sutton have good bs detectors and are two of the more genuine people on Housewives. Candiace in particular is known to be a disaster with social media. They are both often on the right side, but the way they argue at times doesn't work in their favor. The audience will just hear poor shaming or body shaming and sometimes forget that other cast members are guilty of infinitely worse behavior. I think the average person can put themselves in the shoes of someone with a physical insecurity or not having extreme wealth. It could be trickier to relate to having an attorney steal from you after you already went through tragedy or be unpaid glam or have someone spread malicious gossip about your husband on TV. Those things happen but are more unique situations. I would trust a Sutton or a Candiace with my life all day over an Erika, Dorit, or Gizelle, but I can see how the former could rub others the wrong way, especially more casual watchers who don't know about things like Marco Marco or Dorit being chased around for owing money.

You are both absolutely right. So many men say they don't like thin women, but what they mean is they don't like emaciated. They tell on themselves by the women they drool over. Thin women are generally deemed more attractive regardless of their face, and thin with big boobs and blonde hair is automatically considered smoking hot even if the face is average. A woman who has a stunning face but not the youngest or thinnest is probably more likely to be admired by other women. I guess women tend to appreciate true beauty more, and with men, it's more of a sex appeal thing. I know I get more attention from men if I wear things that show my shape more, and I get more compliments from women when I actually feel good about myself. I do think Dorit is a truly pretty woman even if she didn't have the Barbie proportions or nice head of hair. Yeah, black men appreciated curves other than breasts before butts became trendy, and they love truly curvier and meatier women, not just size 0s with breasts. I don't blame Gerry. We all have to go where the love is. I think Dorit's implants might look bigger because she is even smaller now.

I can see that. Maybe I'll try to catch the show just because I do like her. I really do think Denise is probably one of the most decent women who's ever been a Housewife. Yes, she can say and do some questionable things, but she doesn't have the meanness so many have. She also seems very openhearted and nurturing.

I like most Housewives less each season, but it's the opposite with Candiace. I like her more and more. I think she's one of the few who is genuine and she really is a nice person unless you hurt her. And yes, despite all the "spoiled princess" stuff, she really doesn't come across as this demanding diva on trips.

There must be something wrong with me.

That's exactly it. I recently watched an episode where Gizelle blamed Candiace for getting death threats and says that Candiace crossed a line that they can't get over. Gizelle is the one who crossed the line when she said disgusting things about Candiace's husband. I don't doubt that Gizelle's gotten death threats. There are lots of crazies out there, and many reality stars say they get them. But I don't think it's fair to blame that or the demise of the friendship on Candiace. Between Gizelle, Ashley, and seasons ago Monique, Candiace has gone through a lot as a Housewife. Fighting is nothing new on Housewives, but I do think the altercation in season 5 was particular bad, and despite her slick mouth rep, Candiace really didn't even provoke it. Gossip about husbands is not new. They gossiped about Mauricio for many years on BH. But for a cast member the Bassetts were kind to and considered a friend to suggest he was a "sneaky link" who was trying to see if she was down to hook up, that he assaulted a friend of Ashley's, that he messaged Ashley inappropriately, it was especially gross when it's so clear they took innocent things (or nothing) to turn into a storyline. I don't blame Candiace if she wants nothing to do with these people. She has a lot going for her, and she will be fine without the show. I could see Gizelle using Candiace as a scapegoat. I also got the impression Ashley was jealous of Candiace. Candiace was a lot more fortunate when it came to her parents and childhood. Gizelle reminds me of Tamra Judage. For those who haven't watched RHOC, it is not a compliment.

So I totally understand why Karen should't return or at least have the show go no without her for one season. Four DUIs is horrific, and she had some nerve to blame the show. However, I do see her as an anchor. She's an OG, and she's the funniest cast member imo. She's part of so many of the most memorable scenes. A lot of fans thought Lisa Vanderpump made BH. I enjoyed her, but I didn't think she was the show. RHOP does have other entertaining cast members, but Karen is responsible for a huge part of its success imo.

Lisa and Meredith are like the opposite of Gizelle on Potomac. Gizelle isn't my favorite, and I think she plays dirty. But I have to give credit to her where it's due. She can take it the same way she dishes it. She has a thick skin, and there isn't much that phases her. She doesn't constantly freak out and talk about her cyber security or threaten to sue or threaten to leave. She considers all the bs as part of the assignment. I admit I'm a sensitive person, and rumors would really hurt my feelings and give me anxiety. I am no Gizelle, but I know not to sign up for a reality show.

Bravo doesn't seem to want to boot her, even if fans want her gone. Maybe they can remove her RHOC and then she and Rinna and all the super controversial villains can start an Ultimate Girls Trip from Hell! Faye could even finally become a Housewife. Only watch if you dare!

I also thought he had music in common with Erika! Not to get too OT, but Tom actually did a hilarious impersonation of Scheana performing and went all out in drag once too. I would crack up seeing him a blonde wig and patting the pus! Kyle is most tolerable with bigger villains in the cast.

Hmm, wonder if they're still in the cast. Lisa and Meredith can be good TV because they take themselves so seriously (do not come for my bathtub!), but you wonder if they take themselves so seriously that reality TV may not be healthy for them.

Agreed. I think sometimes there are clear work friends, like Kyle and Erika. IRC, they get along well during filming but don't hang out outside of work. Sutton and Garcelle are definitely buddies when there camera isn't rolling. Regarding Kyle's status as a Housewife, part of why Kyle made a great anchor (like her or not) is because she initially fit what the franchise was supposed to be about-housewives! Kyle had a handsome husband, cute young kids, and her day-to-day was Mauricio and the girls. It wasn't about her career or tying to find love or planning future babies. Now she's separated, and all her kids are grown except for Portia, who will be leaving the nest soon too. I'm single and have no kids myself, and single, childfree people often have the most excitement. So not knocking women in any category. But it did get a little strange once they started hiring women who had never even been married or had kids or been anything close to a housewife. Instead of "the Real Housewives of" whatever city, it became more the sometimes real, oftentimes plastic and phony grifter ladies who live near whatever city.

Hehehe! I wonder how Tom Sandoval would feel about being in the midst of cougars (other than Teddi, around his age). As far as I know, he's always dated women around his age or younger.