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Kim said it to Eileen. My mouth literally dropped, because it was so uncalled for IMO. She was lashing out at everyone; LisaR, Eileen, Kyle. Lisa V looked down and so did Brandi. They were definitely afraid to get involved and be screamed at by Kim. Just amazing. Brandi was so unusually quiet. Since Kim rarely apologizes, I'm really curious to see the fallout. I would never hang out with her again if I were any of those three women. Well I guess Kyle has to, but I would take a long break.

BEST First Look ever. Holy sh*t. Kim is insane and vicious and crazy. Her face was absolute evil. She called Eileen a beast. I mean...it's great TV, but that's just beyond the pale. I know a few people in recovery and none of them act like that, either sober or when they were using / drinking. I do feel for her, but she is past the point of acceptable behavior. And I think they're using her for scenes like this and Bravo is disgusting for that too. I've disliked Kyle since day one too. I still do. But jesus - having a sister like that? I don't know how I would handle it. Kim makes everyone else look tolerable, even Brandi. That's saying a lot.

Just a note about Bubbe, Bubbie, and Bubbelah. Bubbelah means grandmother is yiddish, and many shorten it to Bubbe. I still call my 101 yo grandma Bubbe. But Bubbe / Bubba also means "doll" in yiddish. I believe Schwartz is Jewish, and it isn't at all unusual to call your boyfriend, girlfriend, or even just some close friends Bubbie. It's a cute term of endearment. MMV.

Once again, Kim has NO concept of race or history. http://thegrio.com/2014/11/12/kim-kardashian-butt/

Where can I even start with this train wreck? Mary Jo is absolutely a rock star in every way. She even managed to make Tori look uglier and more insecure, which I didn't think was possible. Like everyone said, she told Tori what we've all been saying for years. Own your shit! Stop making excuses and take some responsibility for what you did (50%). I think we would all be more forgiving if she did. Betrayal is horrible, it causes permanent damage, and "you can't help who you fall in love with" just isn't going to cut it. She owed Mary Jo that apology for years, and it wasn't even that great. I almost forgot about the whole "Charlie is so nurturing" thing. Please. Tori could not wait to dump Charlie and she didn't feel nurtured or safe of any of that other bullshit she's spouting now about him. She is so manipulative, using that to make Dean feel like total shit. Again and again. Im going to say Mary Jo won this episode, this show and this whole damn thing.

Oh lord I forgot about the massive bags full of more crap from Office Dept. Yes that will solve your organization, clutter and hoarding issues for sure. How can one person be so freaking delusional?

Oh dear sweet jesus. They never stop. They never stop thinking about themselves, they never shut the fuck up. I guess this is what happens when you out two narcissists together. As someone said up thread - Dean comes off slightly better. Not much, but a tiny tiny bit. She is horrific and a freaking nightmare. He can't take a shit without her thinking its related to her and their relationship. Absolutely exhausting.

OK Dean is a useless loser for sure. But now I think Tori is actually worse. She is completely fucked up. Last season I was convinced that Dean was the narcissist and ruining Tori's life. Now? #TeamDean. Which is enough to make me sick. Tori is the most narcissistic selfish bitch I've ever seen (since Lindsay and her show). I mean WTF? All she does is cry and complain about Dean or her "issues". You know what? At about 30 years old, I came to the conclusion that I couldn't blame shit on my childhood anymore. She's way past that point. Get off TV! Wake the fuck up and pay attention to those kids you popped out endlessly. She says she loved being pregnant? Bullshit. She couldn't wait to starve herself after so she could be nasty skinny again. I do love a trainwreck though and this show delivers.

Tori is a horrible horrible person. Narcissist, hoarder, liar. She is so completely useless. It seems like her friends can't stand her, and who can blame them. She really put me over the edge last night. I am actually feeling sorry for Dean. She is disgusting and if I had to live with her?! Oh my god, no wonder he cheated. This is what she has driven me to. I actually understand why he cheated and I don't think it's horrible. She is the classic hoarder. Has to touch and look at every single thing she has. Getting mad at other people for pushing her to throw things away. That storage facility was terrifying. Who the hell has that much crap? She's a "collector"?! What a bunch of bullshit. And the whole connection / babies thing? She is so mentally ill it's frightening. Just - Oh.My.God.

Bruce sounded ridiculous. Stoned Kris was almost tolerable. Maybe she should take MM all the time.

I have always loved Carole, but she lost me last night. Her party demands? Completely insane and ridiculous. I felt terrible for Heather's assistants. I'm an assistant, and the thing we hate most? Coordinating stupid personal events for our BOSSES' FRIENDS. Total and complete bullshit. The looks on the assistant's faces said it all. I'm betting Heather did not do much herself for this party.

More rumors... http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/06/real-housewives-of-new-york-rhony-cast-fired/?utm_source=skimlinks.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=skimlinks.com

@Rhetorica - thank you. I was all ready to start a new twitter campaign.

This is how stupid and tone deaf Bravo is: http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/06/rhony-real-housewives-of-new-york-spin-off-dana-cody/ They are giving George a show?! Are they freaking crazy? What are they not understanding??

I believe this is the detailed article about Sonja's case that was posted at TWoP. She is a nasty piece of work. http://www.hamricklaw.com/news-media/articles/it-takes-courage-strength-the-power-conviction-of-one-voice-to-right-a-wrong/

Watching this show was cathartic for me in a weird way. Seeing Dean's behavior, and watching Tori's reaction(s) to it, confirmed for me that despite my own weaknesses, I was strong enough to leave someone that was destroying me. Totally why I watch trashy reality TV - to feel better about my own life :) Dean really looks like he smells, and is so dirty. I can't imagine touching him. I thought he was playing that up too. Like "Oh , I'm so miserable and ashamed, I can't even take care of myself. Poor me." Tori's hair is just disgusting and so fried. Doesn't she have one true friend that would tell her it's not a good look? She should grow it out and start over as a brunette. That would actually be a nice sTori in US Weekly. "Tori's Makeover: New Look, New Life". She looks so unhealthy. She basically starves herself and never exercises. She has that very skinny, not toned look. Ready for my trip to hell.

Oh @badtvlover I'm so so sorry. God - there are so many of us. The story is always so familiar. I'm sorry you still have to deal with him even for a second in any way. That's the reason I say they are evil. They leave carnage in their wake and never look back. Big hugs. I feel like this is what Dean does. He always deflects and starts with his suicidal feelings, his feelings of inadequacy, all about his feelings. Even when he says he feels such shame. Nothing to do with hurting her. Always about him. The look on his face when the therapist told him that sometimes it has nothing to do with him, and that he needs to just be quiet and listen to her. He could not believe that was something he actually needed to do for his wife. Tori, the Narcissist, only wants to talk about herself. Her fairy tale, her soulmate. When it's not about her she's pissed. As someone said up thread, imagine having to be her friend and listening to this shit. And you know it's been like this forever with her. Maybe they can figure it out - these two crazy kids. I've heard narcissists can often live with each other for a long long time.

@SilverLake0315 @ramble @psychoticstate - Same here! Satan, my ex-asshole. I will never say his name. Maybe we need a survivors' thread?

I don't know if they're sociopaths, or what. I'm not seriously diagnosing them, just making my own observation(s). They are huge balls of need (tm Neurochick) and ultimately are destroying each other and their kids. I feel no pity for either of them. I feel sorry for their children. Dean cheated and then left his wife and child. Now he's cheating on Tori. She was married and cheated, and now she wants complete control over Dean. It's twisted and just feels so unhealthy in every way. For me personally, I cannot feel sorry for a sociopath, even though they cannot help it. Even if they don't have the ability to feel emotions like most people. I have just seen them cause too much horrific damage to people's lives (not just my own).

I'm coming too! I can sit in the back and relax. I still think it's anal. Something about the way she says it. @ramble I also searched for so long for answers to "why". I read everything I could get my hands on, and lots of therapy. I'm so sorry you went through it too. Socios/Narcs are just the most evil of people. @psychoticstate you will be so ok. It's so scary and frightening to deal with them and I wish you a lot of peace once you are divorced.

@psychoticstate I am sending you the biggest internet hugs I have. I am so sorry. By the time I moved out, I was in a pretty bad state. The good news is, you are out now. And you know what he is. Sorry ... I don't think everyone that cheats is a sociopath either. With Dean, it is the consistent cheating, the lack of any true understanding of emotions or the real pain of someone else other than himself. Maybe he's a narcissist only. They are both disordered and it's crazy f-ed up to see it fully laid out. The poor poor kids.

So much yes to this. And Tori is a narcissist. So I guess this is what happens when those psychopathies meet? @JustAlison I dated a narc/socio for 5 years. Broke up 3 months before our wedding. Your description is so scary dead on, it made me shudder. These monsters don't change and there is no cure. They just ruin your life. So I guess they will just stay together, he will cheat, and she will cry. Just a big pile of crazy.

The above is from Carole's blog and it is way too little too late. Last week she was giggling about squirting orgasms. I personally tweeted Carole at least 50 times (yes I was angry) about "getting George off my TV" and calling what he does sexual assault. And I saw dozens of tweets to her saying the same thing. On everything she tweeted. I will say, I am glad she is at least saying it now.

Sorry if the quoting is wrong. George is absolutely guilty of sexual assault. He stuck his erection into Sonja, grabbed Kristen's breast, and that's just what we saw. This is on TV for entertainment and I am really having issues with it. He needs to be taken off the show as an example and Andy Cohen is disgraceful to put this up as funny. I actually did like Kristen before this. But to make such a fuss about Ramona throwing the glass (which was horrible and I don't blame her) and then to laugh off George?? NO.

TWoP'er here too. Thanks for the warm welcome!