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If this show gets another season or two, don't you think we're going to get to a place where all of the main characters "know" he's been telling the truth all of this time about being the Devil? The balance between procedural and celestial has been really well managed by the writers, but at some point it's going to feel like a farce if they keep key players ignorant of his identity. It took some 23 episodes for them to reveal why Chloe is special, so I'm not anticipating full knowledge anytime soon. I'll be interested to see how it develops.

Not much to add in terms of what was great, but I so enjoyed this episode I just wanted to chime in lest anyone from the show is keeping track of the love. The 'butt stuff' line slayed me. Ditto the Nietzsche line. And I loved Maze throwing herself behind the No One Hurts Chloe theme. She's such a badass. Love her. And Mama Decker stepping between Charlotte and Chloe. Maybe my favorite thing though was the way Luci and Chloe expressed their appreciation for one another from the stand. I didn't want a romantic pairing at all; I'd be really bummed if it came about this early; and I would hate eons of faux hurdles. But both actors were so good at their declarations, for the first time I thought-- well, we could do worse than a pair of charming people who actually know, value, and respect each other. But... I don't think they're going there now. Too many wonderful bits of celestial intrigue to pose an actual bar to a romance. I really like the idea that Dad put Chloe in the way to teach Lucifer about himself, about humanity, and about goodness in his creation. Luci has only had horrible examples of humanity before him in Hell. Mid-January is sooo far away!

I have similar speculative thoughts to storyskip, in that I suspect Luci's immediate facination with Chloe brought her to Dad's attention, and that subsequent vulnerability on Luci's part is part of A Plan. Father Frank told Luci as much on his deathbed (the plan part, not the Chloe part). But, that doesn't explain her initial immunity. For that, my guess is some kind of early special blessing from Dad, perhaps when she was suffering after her father died. She doesn't believe now, but we don't know whether that is life-long belief. Or, maybe it was her own father interceding on her behalf from the Silver City/Heaven. That would be a fairly easy solution, instead of making her a descendant of divinity. The whole make-up think bugs me. If it's not a clue, I would fire the makeup department. A google search for LG images shows that she has an eye-circle darkness, but it's not incapable of masking. And if it's just to "ugly" her up, it's not necessary because the actress has demonstrated herself more than capable of being a "regular" person-- a loving mother, a good friend, goofy without being ridiculous, etc. Any shortcomings for her as a cop are about the writing/plots (not bad writing, just a recognition that the procedural aspect isn't that critical to the overall story). I like the idea that Sonoma posed above-- that the number of times Chloe has been close to death may mean she's fading in some fashion. Maybe that's how Azrael gets into the mix. Really enjoying Season 2.

No one wants to be responsible for a four-toed Brittany!! I didn't realize how happy I would be that Dr. Linda knows about the celestial, until this episode. Her ability to actually assist Lucifer in his journey now that she knows is so good. And, although I'm a little bored that the direction of the journey seems awfully Chloe-centric, I'm not giving up hope that the concept of "love" here or "finding" will be a larger lesson than purely romantic love. From my view, the thing Luci started drawing on the cast was a heart, but certainly became something else. I'm okay with the re-endangering of Chloe, mostly because I'm ready for Amenadude and Luci and Maze to all be on the same page w/r/t Mom. If it takes this step for the three of them to join up in a plan, that's fine. I do like Tricia Helfer in the role, but I'm getting a little antsy for the play-out. LG did a great job tonight, conveying the balance of having fun/supporting Luci and being a dedicated cop. Please writers, allow this lovely actress the ability to be this good all of the time.

Great episode, both in humor and the weaving of cop work with the divine-- the Dr. Linda/Luci bits were gold. And I enjoyed Ella again, even in a slightly larger dose. I'm so happy they're giving Dan some interesting moments, because I have a lot of Southland love for Kevin Alejandro. I didn't read Chloe as truly jealous, although she seemed a little flustered at the prospect of Luci w/ a co-worker. I think she was telling the truth when she said it was more a question of honesty and partnership than anything else. LG played the flustered part just right, too. She's been having a really good run so far this season, and I'm delighted about that. Ellis is awesome. Was is just me, or did he look hotter than usual in this one? There were a few scenes, where I was sort of taken aback at how good looking he was. That mother is up to no good... and I am awfully excited about her taking Amenadude along with her. I like his relationship with Luci to have its complexities.

Great episode. I love the idea of allowing Luci to experience a more "human" form through his use of Dan as an example of empathy. And, I don't think I imagined this, but when Luci is trailing Dan toward his improv class, Tom Ellis adds a little bounce/jiggle to his walk to be more like Dan. Tom Ellis has a Dan walk. I love this guy in this role. C'mon out of the office, Dr. Linda!! Show us all how it's done, seeing divinity as human and vice versa.

I think that when we first saw Amenadude's loss of power, he apologized to the police officer with the keys, and said something like, "I was lost." I'm not sure if the writers would telegraph that much directness in the explanation for his loss of power, but I recall him saying something like that last season when he was on a rooftop with Lucifer in the rain-- something akin to "Brother, I was lost," when explaining why he had taken the risks he had with Malcolm, who caused multiple lives to be lost. So I'm on board with this idea that his sacrifice of divinity means he can no longer posses angelic powers on earth. I'm not wild about all of our supernaturals having fading/waning powers, but I appreciate the idea that consequences don't only apply to humans. Also, totally in the camp of people who believe that the show used Watchtower because the it introduced Helfer, the former Cylon. And bravo for the choice. I loved BSG, and the homage was a treat.

I'm wondering if "Dad" is mad at Amenadude, and is thus decreasing his powers... after all, it was on his watch that Mum escaped. It would be an interesting way to emphasize Lucifer's theme that Dear Old Dad did him wrong for a minor infraction-- if, in fact, Mum escaped when Amenadude was recovering from a stabbing by a demon blade forged in Hell. Also hoping, like storyskip, that they use Ella sparingly. But so far, I like her frankness, and her ability to speak to the faith question independent of the supernaturals.

You didn't miss anything. So far, it's a mystery.

WHOOOP! They're back! So much to enjoy, but I confess to a "what the f*ckity f*ck" when they said two weeks until the next episode. I'm already delighted that they chose to introduce Mum in a state of disarray, because it's a nice tweak on entering this universe as opposed to an automatic state of destruction. And I like how this entry allows for some interaction before (as I guess), Mum turns into what Luci has feared. I'm intrigued by Amenadude's loss of powers-- first Lucifer and now his (delightfully) complicit brother. Good step, show. Is it just me, who has issues with Chloe but wants her to warrant her role, or did she take a tertiary seat in this episode? Yes, lead woman in the show, but maybe a step behind the development of the supernatural, where I would like her to be until either she is written as interestingly as Luci/Maze/Amenadude or until she's in on the secret. And super YAY for Maze and Linda-- this is how the good doctor stays in the central discussion as Lucifer gets more wrapped up in the Mum drama. Overall, delighted with the start to Season 2!

I have no concerns about Tricia Helfer being able to bring the scary. Her Caprica had moments where she was completely terrifying. As an actress, she has the ability to carry that line between manipulation of the target through charm, zealotry, or sex, while posing a constant threat to the target's welfare. I'm really excited about that addition. I'm also not worried about the inclusion of other new cast members. A bigger cast isn't necessarily a risk in a show that has a strong serial component. I would hate to lose too much of the wonderful Rachel Harris, but she serves such a helpful role in moving forward the emotional development, without taking up all that much screen time, I don't anticipate real risk. The idea Gigi43 suggested, about a shift in the nature of the serial, from cop work to Mum Hunt, would allow greater focus on the central characters, while limiting the day players. They could accomplish a similar approach by putting Chloe on a single case that spanned multiple episodes, or having her cases largely arising from Mum's bad behavior. So looking forward to S2! Can hardly wait.

I did too, for a long time. For someone who doesn't believe, learning that the devil exists, as does God and the angels, and heaven and hell, that could blow a mind (or millions of minds). But I keep thinking about alternate versions of Satan, like the one Lucifer has been describing all season: capable of great power, but only a punisher once the deeds are done of free will here; not evil at all, just a tool of this God's universe. If I didn't have years of church that colored my view of religion (in a way I can't unknow even if I don't believe), then really it's about the guy in front of Chloe. He saved her life twice, saved Trixie's life, fought for justice on behalf of innocents, and has become someone she trusts. So if she accepts his version of the Devil, and sees the value in having a supernatural partner-- no mind bending terror. Maybe that's part of her immunity-- a lack of fear.

That was a really, really good season finale!! In no particular order: -Amenadude and Luci; I've had some issues with the righteousness of Amenadude in some episodes, particularly after it became clear he would risk human life to enforce the destiny on Luci-- what can I say, I like this particular devil among us and so the enforcement of The Will against Luci's free will put me at odds with some of Amenadude's moments. But together they were awesome, and the use of the word 'brother' actually sounded like an endearment instead of a curse. -Dan the Man; it's my Kevin Alejandro thing but I always wanted him to be better than a douchey ex with blame issues, and this was a good way to redeem him, while holding the door open. Particularly glad Chloe punched him in the beez, her moral outrage came off nicely and well-earned. -Dr. Linda; she's the best, and I'm so glad she showed up here to call some BS on the brothers. Here's hoping Rachel Harris is open for next year, and that the writers find a way to integrate her into the season that uses her talents. -Maze and Chloe; that moment when Chloe lands on Maze and she observes what Luci might see in Chloe was so fun. And a little steamy, in the best teasing sense. -Chloe getting her shit together to maybe go die for Trixie; those scenes, from the phone call to walking away from Luci and his imaginary bazooka were well done by Ms. German-- frightened, pissed, and committed. -Luci's plea to Dad, his acceptance of his chosen fate, and his seeking protection for Chloe. Tom Ellis has been so great in this role, over-the-top when the scene requires, shocked to his monkey bottoms with his own emotion/growth/development in others. Well done, sir. RIP Detective Stache, you screwed with the wrong brothers. I cannot WAIT to find out who Mum is and what is horrifying enough to scare Luci. They really set up Season 2 well, and with this kind of send off I have high hopes for next year. I hope those of you guessing about something larger than Lilith are right-- bringing in that kind of epic biblical/mythical entity bodes well to pull us out of the CotW format, and I'm all for it. Lastly, I've become a little less worried about when Chloe learns about Luci as the Devil, and presumably Amenadude as an archangel. Luci was gut-shot and then fine, saving her daughter's life and her own. They have come full circle on Chloe's ability to trust Luci with the things most dear to her, and that buys him a lot of latitude. So a season 2 reveal/acceptance would seem credible, but I can also see how they might push that into another season, after giving us more details about how Chloe works. Yay show!! -

I was really glad about that. I don't have any desire to see these two in any standard romance. One of Lauren German's best things is how well she shows empathy and compassion, and with that in her pocket, I can see a lot of non-sexual intimacy between Chloe and Lucifer. I'm hoping it goes down that path if the show feels the need to make them closer. Though I do like it it when he flusters her with the sexy. He can keep doing that as much as he wants.

I kept thinking the same thing-- somehow the quips (Douche and Stache slayed me) seemed even more organic and funny than usual. I really, really liked the degree of Luciferness we got this episode. Tom Ellis was so good and showed a lot of range. This whole series, I haven't really been afraid for any of the characters. A little nervous in a moment, but this was a complete change. I was freaked out by the Mid-Century Rape Den, Crazy Ass Malcolm showing up as an unwanted minion (kudos to the poster who coined that phrase above), Maze in a place where I can't tell how much bullshit she is selling Amenadude or how much she's at risk, Amenadude losing his cool with Luci, and even the random dangers like the Preacher. I was convinced some way worse thing was coming, and now I'll be holding onto that for a week. Yay! (seriously, it's cool how it's all coming together). Glad for a moment of Trixie being so adorable and clever. I hope they come up with a way for Dr. Linda to have a little more of a role, the actress is fantastic in this part. I appreciated Chloe's characterization of her vulnerability statement-- it's about trust, and that has been clear, that she trusts Luci (with an eye on him for shenanigans). And I'm with those of you who are surprised/frustrated/irritated that Dan hasn't said a word to anyone about how batshit Malcolm is (Dan was beaten and held hostage, that's pretty serious, even if the whole "shot but not dead" is too much to bite off). But if it took his silence to get this set-up, I can let it go. That was a fun hour of TV. Let's have a season 2! A nice long one.

I don't have any sense of how, but it sure provides some interesting possibilities. If they decide Chloe will not be acknowledging he's The Devil, it's going to be hard-- all of the protection has to be on Lucifer (and maybe Maze-- could be a cool way to get her in on the team more often). With Chloe's head in the sand, he could explore the boundaries of her influence over his vulnerability outside of her knowledge. If they decide Chloe will accept that he is Satan on Vacation, that's a much bigger realm of options. Then they work together to maximize his effectiveness, while trying to provide some degree of safety. Or maybe she accepts he's Ol' Scratch and concludes: cops all over the world take their risks with death every day, now you will too. That would deprive us of a lot of fun, but it might be the most Chloe-like response. OR...maybe this is the path out of the procedural-- less crime related, more angel business. I think iZombie set itself up with the recent season finale to move away from the crime procedural as primary plot vehicle (to it's benefit), and I would like Lucifer to get that chance at some point.

I think it must be her presence-- he cut himself while standing in her house, she didn't wield the knife. Totally agree with the pacing of the show, it's been a good first season.

Wow. WOW! What a great season finale. I am 100% on board for killing off Vaughn and Rita, given the set-up for next season. A battle royal for Seattle between Zombie Central and everyone else? Love it. I can even see them bringing Dale back if Clive decides to let her in on the stakes. Little sad about Drake, but not for the loss of him (liked him find, didn't love him as a character or as Liv's BF), for the consequences to Liv and her love life. I will say that Major has really grown on me, and if Liv/Major is an endgame I might be more comfortable with that now than any time before. I'm with those who don't necessarily see a triangle with Ravi, Peyton, and Blaine. She was kidnapped, threatened with death, and in the middle of a gun fight. Who wouldn't throw their arms around the person who saved you? Maybe they will go there, but that seems a little trite for this show. I have a lot of faith in Rob Thomas and Diane Ruggiero, and I think they are absolutely up to the task of taking the zombie threat to a larger scale without losing the charm of this show. And the new woman, Viv, seems like a fantastic set-up for a Big Bad. Sooo excited for Season 3.

Parts of this episode I liked a lot. One thing rang false for me, and I can't tell if it's my poor memory about past episodes or something else. Luci mocking Chloe for her drunkipants strip: spot on and hilarious Malcolm being a terrible Bad Guy: good (it means his role in this plot should be done soon, so we can get to the Luci/Amenadude fallout) Splitting Luci and Chloe up for the CotW: shows her being an actual cop instead of relying on his "voodoo" (poor form for her to pout about his "not having her back"-- it's her JOB, it's mostly a hobby for him-- and an outlet for his punishment jones) Luci serenading the Donor Ladies Luncheon: so fun Luci not dying when shot by Widow/Killer: awesome (I like my supernaturals powerful) Maze w/ Amenadude: awesome (both in terms of this episode's scenes and how this could bring angel politics up front a bit more) Luci's revelation about the cause of his vulnerability = good I think Lauren German is doing a pretty good job with this role (for the love of Luci, make-up people, ease up on her daytime eyebrows). When Chloe lightened up a bit in 'Manly Whatnots,' I bought into her character a little more, and went back to watch the pilot-- she had a pretty good vibe going there as well (now that I understand the premise and framing a little better). The wrong note from last night for me was her "vulnerability" statement to Luci. Sure, she showed up at Luci's place drunk for Dan-dumped-me sexual healing, but other than that-- I don't see much difference between her vulnerability with Dan or Trixie, and Luci. She resents his involvement in her cases for more than the first 2-3 episodes (she calls him a partner around Ep. 5); repeatedly acts exasperated with him and his antics during investigations; kicks him out of her house several times; is irritated that he accepted an invite to family dinner with her mom, etc. Yes, there are a few moments where they seem to connect on a deeper level-- when she woke from her bullet injuries in the hospital; when she saw his wing scars (great moment); when he covers for her after she shot him, and she seems genuinely appreciative (but later pissy that those events lead to his quasi-official status with the police department); when she shows up at Lux after the Wings Thing to express friendship and support (not necessarily vulnerability, but maybe). So where is her developing vulnerability with regard to him? If they have been trying to "show not tell" then I think the actor's choices aren't selling this for me. Maybe it's just that Luci has undergone a more radical change, so I'm not seeing the Chloe vulnerability as something new. Am I missing something? I hope so, because if this is going to be some kind of parallel journey for them, I would like to buy in on her half of that.

Sorry if I wasn't clear-- my point was that if I learned that my quippy British pal was the actual Devil, not just a mostly-functional person with delusions of angelic grandeur, I would be so terrified I would shoot at him until I ran out of bullets. It would be three mind-melting realizations at once: the Devil exists just like they said in bible school; he is standing right here; and I've been hanging out with him for months, while ignoring perfectly good clues that I had become an associate of Satan (oh, and I introduced my beloved daughter to Satan, neato). In terms of my religious upbringing (long since lapsed), it does not bode well for one's soul to consort with the Devil on any terms, crime procedural or otherwise. I'm not confusing fantasy or fiction with reality, I'm just thinking about "how" the show might address Chloe's realization that Lucifer is who he says he is. In my mind, she needs some additional skills/knowledge/something to be able to cope with that reveal (instead of going immediately insane like Jimmy). And if they do have Chloe gain this knowledge without losing her mind, she will be faced with some choices, one of which would be to conduct business as usual. That would means she's then walking around LA with a being she knows to be Satan. That seems like a long way from where she is now, and I think that option requires her to undergo some changes.

I've been going back and forth on this one. The first time Chloe got a glimpse that Luci might be other-worldly, she shot him. So I think any acceptance of his actual identify has to be preceded by some development/growth/change on Chloe's part. Remember, she doesn't believe in any of this stuff. I'm not sure how they are going to get from here (where she is occasionally irritated by his 'Luciferness' but also a growing friendship) to The Real Deal. As I said before, if I knew my bullets could make Satan bleed, I would shoot for center mass and empty a clip into a "human" who turned out to be the actual Devil out of pants-sh*tting fear. They've made Chloe a compassionate, empathetic everywoman of a sort, so I'm going to have to believe she is something ELSE before I believe she knowingly walks side by side with the Devil through LA. My fanwank on her continued acceptance: he runs a successful business; he has contributed to solving her cases; he interacts with other humans (Dr. Linda, Dan, the football player, her boss) in a way that suggests he's not really dangerous to non-criminals; and he has shown restraint with some criminals. So she's weighing most of what she sees against the comments he makes from time to time about his Father, etc. The obvious fault in this are her failures to process what he is showing her about speed (rooftop with the would-be jumper) and strength (dude through the glass and Spider). I'm not sure how to shoehorn those in, but I go back to the point that she is not a believer, and the moment she does believe he is Satan, that flips everything on its head including her belief system. That is some tricky stuff and I'm willing to be patient in hopes the writers come up with a really solid way to make sense of it.

Agreed. At the very least some indication about what was/is with regard to Hell and here, and whether any changes are his choice or merely a result of something else (location, metamorphosis, God's pissed, whatever). I can see why they might hide the reveal on the immortality question, but surely he had powers in Hell beyond super-strength and the desire hocus-pocus.

Fun episode, as many of you have said, mostly for the character notes. I am at a loss for the whole escape the restaurant inferno thing-- when Chloes sees Luci at the ambulance, she thanks him for getting her out, he demurs, and then she says something like: What? No 'thanks for saving me first'? No clue if that's about this particular scene or if it's supposed to be a larger concept. Also, it rang a little Pretty Woman for me. On the fence about the Maze developments. She's a demon, not a fallen angel. Her evolution seems a lot less likely and even unnecessary than Lucifer's quest to actually divorce himself from the destiny his Father established for him. Maybe she feels compelled to find a better skin to fit into this world so she can stay in step with Lucifer, which would make sense. But even without any clear sense of her motivation, I adore her with Dr. Linda. From their first meeting, the "sex" comment, the joy on Dr. Linda's face when Maze said she made a friend, and the gentle suggestion about drinking-age pals-- all gold. Same with Trixie and Maze-- but something about that scene made me think we are going to see some horrible stuff from Maze soon to keep the demon-side of her alive and kicking, which may be necessary as a balance to Luci's trajectory. The actress who plays Trixie is perfect-- President of Mars, indeed. I don't think Dan is dead-- despite the deep shadows, it did look like Malcolm checked his pulse and that Dan kind of rolled a bit on his own. Going to get messy, and I like how the show has built in this overlapping Venn of Dan's crap into the central story about Luci and Chloe. Seriously, I would like poor Kevin to get a chance to work this character. Ms. German plays a fine drunk-- and I think it's totally in character for her to lash out with booze and a trip to what she thought was a Sure Thing to help recover from Dan's text break-up. Remember how she looked at Luci when he walked into the room naked? After the initial embarrassment, she was eyeing that man like he was a 6 foot tall lollipop. And rightly so. Please approve a Season 2, Fox. This is getting interesting.

What she can do (terminate) and what she should do, as his recently former wife who slept with him sans birth control are two things for me. He is going to bear emotional, financial, and other responsibilities for this child. She's right when she said it's not his until it's born, but unless he disclaims parental rights or is found unfit, he will be making decisions on behalf of this child until its adulthood. That will include a right to participate in medical decisions, and if they cannot agree, he can probably force appointment of a guardian ad litem, whose job it will be to inform a judge what is best for the child. Starting off on this foot has good and bad implications for April, good for her for calling an end to the BS with him (and by that I mean the incredibly unproductive cycle they have been in since she returned from her war zone walkabout, which cycle I hold them equally responsible for), but bad tone to set for any co-parenting. She drew this line, so now it's going to be on her to find a new tact, which she has demonstrated a stunning inability to accomplish since her return. They both have legitimate, marriage ending gripes. But a baby generally means they are attached forever, and I'm a little sad that such is the case for these characters.

Amen. If she could have stuttered out half of this... I would have been so proud of her.