WhosThatGirl

Tom Scwartz sucks, actually. I’m not saying katie is great but tonight just proved again, much like those bachelorette/bachelor parties that Tom isn’t a sweet funny guy. He’s actually kind of the worst.

Yeah I know it’s ridiculous but the show is really doing a lot to send certain messages about this pairing. I know they have had other couples do certain things. Veronica has called her and Archie end game, when they broke up archie made that speech about knowing Veronica was it for him when he first met. Reggie even called him and Veronica end game. And Kevin said Betty and Archie weee end game in the pilot but someone correct me neither betty or Jughead have ever said it about themselves right? I find that interesting too. And it brings me back to the all the little moments they have had that mean a lot of things. Yes we could be giving the show too much credit, in fact we might be(although when it’s an episode written by RAS I don’t think so as he happens to be a big Bughead shippper) but all the little moments are interesting. Well considering this episode kind of pointed out that no they sadly can’t be seventeen 😞, it’s not that far fetched of an idea. Thinking back on this episode kind of made me sad actually. The ending moment with seventeen and everyone and then the cult leader ruining it just answered the no you can’t be seventeen.

I hope. But I don’t know... I honestly don’t know where this show is going half the time, especially with relationships and as much as they are writing Bughead pretty great thus far this season and I love it, I’m always waiting it for it to switch. I don’t trust it. That said I agree with you on some point. The show has to know what it’s doing right? The one Jughead asks certain questions of Betty, serpent queen, moving in, etc. Betty accepting the title, the staging of Jughead looking like he was about to propose. The burning of the traiker( the place they said I love you and slept together) and him saying he’s okay because she’s with him. The ending of the musical and Bettys ending costume being the crown sweater. They have to know what they are doing here.

Right? I mean look I know when it happened on one tree hill it was crazy but this show stopped being normal a long time ago. But also sadly I don’t it will happen. This show still wants Barchie to happen(ugh) and probably wants to attempt at least one of the triangles, either the Betty Archie veronica one of the Archie Betty Jughead one.

Yeah, the reason she got fired was the phone thing and that isn’t okay. Unless Kristen was making sure she’s going to some type of behavior management thing because that behavior isn’t okay. And obviously however it was done was enough to get her fired. She didn’t get fired because the others were complaining about her, she got fired because she ripped a phone out of another’s hands. Where is the employee who got the phone ripped out of their hands? Let’s talk to them.

Right? It was also odd to me that Kristen was talking to Kelly about heading to LA for the pop up shop and was like “I should stop by Laguna” and kelly then was all “how does jay feel about all this traveling?” Considering Kristen avoids laguna, wouldn’t kelly her supposed best friend ask about this or say something along the lines of “oh yeah it’s been some time, right?”

Huh, the most interesting thing was the last couple of minutes and Kristen meeting up with her old friend. I would watch that. It wasn’t stuff about her store and her business that constantly feels manufactured at times and it felt like he was having a real conversation with someone. I know kelly is supposed to be her best friend but they don’t seem to ever be having a real conversation.

I know but Well he has sort of proposed to her already kind of, the moment when he asked her to be his serpent queen 🥰 seriously they’re the best ship!

I think there are other episodes that can qualify for worst episode. For me actually it might be the second to last couple episodes of last season when they decided to make Hal the black Hood. Oh and possibly the Christmas episode because that was just a meaningless episode but I digress.

I would say even with his addiction issues, Kevin is probably my favorite Pearson. I would also say Rebecca is mine too. And I personally think while Kevin shares traits with his father, he’s also more like Rebecca than either of his siblings. I would agree with someone else who said Randall shares the unfavorable trait Jack had over control and pandering of Rebecca that Randall has with Beth. Which is odd considering Randall is the only Pearson kid who overheard that big fight from the season 1 finale(in the first episode of season 2, Randall left the party and went to the house and saw Rebecca and jack yelling at each other) so he knows. It will be interesting to see what and how the fight goes down next episode, in all honestly though, the show has done the parallel of Jack and Rebecca to Randall and Beth, so I guess we were always leading here in a way. Again.. Kevin is my favorite. I’m not sure how I feel about Zoe and him. I hate that I’m already over Kate and Toby’s story because I know that sounds awful. It’s terrivle when this happens in real life beyond repair but for this show, it’s just kind of a boring story because I think there’s only a few ways for this story to end. I mean one the baby doesn’t make it but they already had that happen to Kate and Toby and I don’t they would make them go through that again. This show loves to make people heartbroken but even that’s overkill. Or two the baby makes it, the only thing i can see happening is the baby having some difficulties. So there is that. But otherwise.. I’m not sure what the next thing is for them in this story?

I think all the teenagers have had horrible family’s, except for Archie, Kevin and Josie. Betty has awful parents(I know people ignore Alice from season one and two but she was mentally awful to her) and her father is a killer. Jughead hasn’t had the easiest family life either, his dad was also awful, I know were supposed to ignore his awful behavior now but I can’t forget and his mother abandoned him and is now running a drug ring. All the parents are villains(except for the three(four of you count Archie’s mom) I mentioned). Some parents are worse and have done way more awful things but still.. none of them have had it easy. Granted I do think we are supposed to forget some certain awful parents behavior just because of the writing, like FP. And I feel like he’s the one they’re going to trynkake it better and fill the void of Fred but I honestly can’t forget his first two seasons. Even last season fP was kind of awful to Jughead at times but hey let’s not remember that.

I’m like the only person who isn’t excited that CMM is the cult leader and I watched one tree hill. I just don’t really like the actor . Then again this is also how I feel about Charles Melton and I’m alone in that too. And I agree with you on most of these things you posted. I’m glad Toni and Cheryl had a conversation at least but they still need to address more of their issues but they probably won’t. Seriously, at this point I am trying to accept that anything that happens episode to happen aren’t supposed to follow the last episode or past episodes, unless someone mentions something. This show seems to work that each episode is a separate canon and I have to learn to accept that. Its times like this when I can’t help but think of the perfect first season. And yes I know the show is different now but it was kind of a perfect capsule that first season. Im glad there was no Fred too. But it is odd that neither Alice nor Fred were there. Yeah as I keep saying they have no idea how to write veronica. She makes no sense. In the first half of this season she hated her parents and then in this half she’s trying to keep the family name out of drug thing and then keep them together? Okay. Makes no sense. Remember in season 2 she was horrified to find pictures her father had of her mother and Fred’s affair because he was going to use them to destroy Fred’s mayor campaign? And then was even more shocked to find out her mother knew. Again.. the show needs to figure out this character. That’s why I’m not convinced she and Reggie are done. It made me smile that people actually thought they were last week. I don’t like Veggie as I say countless times but I wouldn’t be surprised if they randomly hook up next episode just because. Anyone who mentions Bughead just makes me have to say they are the superior ship on this show. Even the Riverdale writers twitter tweeted this exact statement. So that’s all.

Yeah that’s what makes me sad about all those things.. they will be all moot. Like seventeen they can’t be seventeen, they can’t be normal and go to the movies. And yeah the beautiful theme was nice but again it’s all for moot because they will continue to be broken down by the people who are supposed to love them. Not to mention the farm aspect of this whole thing as you said. Again I have to bring it up it’s kinda strange that Alice wasn’t in this episode. Because this was the big dark reveal, not just Edgar but all the other members and learning Weatherbee is a part of the cult as well. And yeah I loved the Bughead duet and moments but it makes me super sad when I think about that none of the characters are going to be able to be seventeen. Like that’s actually a really sad thought and yes no one needs to tell me I know what this show is but this just makes me sad and it reminds me that this is show is so dark now. I think that may have been the point here but it’s sad tI me. eta: @SourK you’re probably right that Alice was banned after the last musical. Also I’m assuming the Jones were attending to support betty for Jughead which is all kinds of adorable if you ask me. But yeah I’m one of the people who said all the parents looked confused, now I know it was supposed to be a statement f youto the parents but honestly I don’t think all the parents would look confused by the song. The reactions of the audience were just.. odd. That’s why it didn’t translate for me well. Also having the big Edgar cult reveal makes it something different as well. At least to me. I’m just one viewer so yeah.. just how it looked to me, others may have gotten it, I did not.

Yeah I’m not sure what they are doing with Veronica and her relationships. I feel like Reggie and Veronica are still an option because I still think they want to do a archie veronica Reggie triangle. They didn’t even really expand on that at all, but we will see. At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if they throw in another contender for Veronica’s affections, her character is so random.

Yeah I feel like for the most part all the teenage boys on this show are respectful. Even Reggie who while I’m not a fan they seem to make him pretty decent to the girls he likes. They even redeemed chuck in this area as well in last year’s musical. Also while I think we are supposed to be mad at sweet pea for outing the Josie Archie thing, I kind of feel bad for him? He did really like Josie and she blew him off.

Lili had tweeted when they were filming this episode that she had to dance and she was really nervous about it. and last night she said the duet scene was her favorite scene she had filmed on Riverdale so far which makes my heart go aw.

Yeah, you’re right, I guess. People like what they like.

Yeah, I wasn’t expecting it to be great and fabulous for all of them and I was expecting Cole to not even be that good and he actually was quite good. He doesn’t want to be a singer and had never expressed to be one so.. I think Casey is actually on par with Ashleigh though, doesn’t he have a musical background? I also think Lili does really well too. As I said I liked last year’s musical episode better, it just flowed better for me. Something about this episode was just off putting and the editing if it all. I did love all the Bughead though. This episode actually had some great moments for me. Whoever wrote this episode wrote good for them, I used to think only RAS can write them. That said RAS does write better cohesive episodes in general but whoever wrote this episode actually wrote some decent moments as well. Also the Bughead/Choni duet is kind of sad when you think about the song.. no they sadly can’t be seventeen. Especially not Bughead.

Yeah I don’t get the hate on Coles voice? It was pretty good actually.

Aw yay. I streamed it a few times, it was so good!

Oh I must have missed that moment. Maybe it had something to do with the movie/musical heathers? I’ve never seen either. Again i have to say I loved all the Bughead in this episode but I personally think last year’s musical episode was much better. I don’t know why but this had way too much going on and didn’t flow as good. Which is kind of like this seasons staple. How many plots are going on right now? And not even just little plots.. everything is a major plot and none of them really align with each other all that much.

Yeah I mentioned this sort of in my first post that no one should have drank anything at Evelyn’s party. Did betty even go? That whole scene was super fast, I can’t remember seeing her? And Jughead wasn’t there because he wSbt in the musical and if betty went I don’t think she was drinking anything. Again sadly the actress who plays Evelyn does nothing for me but I guess at least they are doing something with the character now? Sort of? It took them so long and it’s definitely not how she was first introduced when they were looking for an actress for the character. I remember the description on the sides that she was supposed to resemble Betty in a way and nothing abouty the actress resembles Betty/Lili. Also they wrote she was supposed to befriend Betty and want to be her new best friend and while Evelyn has said a few things most of them have been sort of snarky. I thought for sure she was going to be some sort of single white female character but she isn’t.

I know, I think about that a lot lately.

You know me, I loved all the Bughead. That’s what I’m doing here. I feel like this is the episode that was for my little shipper heart and might be the only one for some time but it was good. It definitely reinforced everything I feel about them as the best couple on this show. And thank you for co-signing me on why this show needs to have more talk scenes. Sorry off camera talks are dumb, we can’t just canon everything away off screen just because you want the show to move at a lighting rod speed plot.. maybe it can’t and maybe you need to address your actual plot points before getting new ones but I digress.

Oh. It didn’t really translate that well for me for that but that’s just me. Also especially because Edgar and all the cult members really liked it. But whatever that’s just me. Sometimes I don’t get things but I didn’t get that. Don’t quote me on this because I don’t have a response other than that as I said , it didn’t translate in that way for me. Again it’s kind of odd Alice wasn’t in this episode? Considering it was the big farm reveal of Edgar and all the others and learning weatherbee is in on the farm. I’m curious that neither Lodge parent is farm adjacent(at least not yet I guess) but I thought one of them was more than likely going to be a part of the cult as well.