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I think that Jenna Ortega is hosting SNL this week
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2 hours ago, deSchenke said:
I am crushing on Ariel. She is beautiful, articulate, has a sense of humor, and comes across as being level-headed. She's too good for this show.
She is too good for Zach. She should be the next bachelorette.
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8 hours ago, lucindabelle said:
How do mandalorian find mates? So they take off their helmets when courting or do they hope for a face they’ll like? Do they get to see the face when they go to sleep?
the helmet thing is just a childrennof the watch thing no? Bo Katan certainly didn’t seem to care. It does seem superstitious and rather silly.
I think that they go on “Love is Blind” over on netflix.
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1 hour ago, SallyAlbright said:
Ariel was on the "Bachelor Happy Hour" podcast this week and one thing she mentioned is that when Zach had Covid she got to talk to him over Zoom during the "virtual cocktail party" for thirty minutes.
It made me wonder how long his conversation with Greer actually was, and why it was edited so weirdly. It also made me think that surely there was better material from all of those Zooms than the boring nonsense they showed 😂
That’s probably more talking than the do on one on one dates! Maybe Jess shouldn’t have been so upset 🤔
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41 minutes ago, Andromeda said:
I wish Kat had told the room that Zach thought she was showing initiative. I would have loved to see their faces and what stunts they all started pulling as they collectively make up rules and have hissy fits about them.
Although Zach will always welcome a chance to kiss almost anyone I don't actually think he likes Kat that much. I thought he was just pleased that someone ran after him.
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19 minutes ago, Melonie77 said:
I fell asleep during part of the show last night and when I went back to catch what I missed I was surprised and turned off by Brooklyn marching in to attack Kat once again while she and Charity tried to have a private conversation. I hope that was producer-driven. And while watching all this back I wonder how much Brooklyn is embarrassed over how she is being portrayed as a jealous bully.
I agree with those who are saying both Kat and Brooklyn were wrong but I can't help wincing more at B who meddles and scolds and seems angry and jealous at those who are prettier than she is.
Kaity has such a great personality. I don't think we have seen her once show even a tiny bit of shade towards anyone - just kindness and empathy, even excitement for the others over their successes with Zach.
Going to sleep during the episode shows a great deal of wisdom.
I agree that Brooklyn went on too long but I don't think that she was motivated by jealousy etc. I have a feeling that Kat probably isn't all that kind. None of the other "ladies" disagreed with Brooklyn or tried to encourage or provide sympathy to Kat. There was a clear difference in maturity between the way that Brooklyn and Ariel went about chastising Kat but Ariel certainly was just as hard on her as Brooklyn was and more devastating in the way she simply told her off.
If this was the case of some longstanding behavior by Brooklyn or completely shocking on the part of Kat I imagine the reaction from the others would have been different. And Kat spent the whole date worried that other people (mostly but not entirely Brooklyn) were going to complain to the Z-Man.
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6 minutes ago, SallyAlbright said:
A photo is making the rounds of Zach at his final rose ceremony celebrating with a tall blonde that looks very much like Kaity (her back is to the camera). Mentioning because sometimes spoilers are incorrect but this one looks official.
Didn't RS have Kaity as the "winner"?
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25 minutes ago, SallyAlbright said:
Someone on the Bachelor subreddit typed up this transcript of their conversation and I think you can see a) how badly chopped/edited it is and b) how it makes more sense if you know that the producers pick who gets a one-on-one date. I feel like he's almost trying to tell her she's getting one next week or something. Also, the number of "likes" here makes my brain and soul hurt.
Zach (leading in from small talk at the beginning): it’s like, really, like, almost… I don’t want to say night one nerves for me?
Jess: yeah, it was a lot (they were talking about the witch date being out of her comfort zone right before this, so if they didn’t edit too much, she’s probably still referring to that)
Zach: But after having a week to not see really everyone and have moments, I don’t know how you all are feeling, I know I’m so excited to see you, but I don’t know if anything’s changed. And… I mean, let me know how you’re feeling.
Jess: yeah. I mean, it’s just - it’s hard for me because I am a hopeless romantic, and I’ve just been like, knocked down so many times, and like being in this position, like, I know what I signed up for, like, I put myself here. But like, just - I don’t have that much confidence. And like, when we’re in a room full of women who are so confident in themselves, like, it’s a lot to sit here and see all these women, like, progress in their relationships with you. And I felt like, in my perspective, I was waiting for like, that one on one to like, open up more.
Zach: mhmm. Yeah. See, that - that’s important for me to know. Because like, this is news for me, and with you, like, from like, night one, I felt something there. And we will have the time to get to know each other, so I don’t want that to play a factor. Like, that shouldn’t be a thing, in my eyes. You know?
Jess: I know. No, and I hear you. And like, I am a slow burn, and like -
Zach: and that’s okay. Like, that’s never a fault.
Jess: I know. And I know it’s not. But like, [laugh/cry noise] yeah. Um. I just want you to see like, my frustration of like, the clock is ticking, and it’s like, what can I do that’s organic and natural that’s not forced? Because it’s like, I don’t know what you need.
Zach: no, yeah
Jess: Because it’s hard, being the last one. And I hope you can see a little bit of -
Zach: but even seeing it as the last one, because it’s not like, about that. I have this confidence with you.
Jess: but like, I felt like, a lot of pressure coming into tonight, cause I feel like you haven’t seen all of me yet. And like, I’m put in this place where it’s like, I’m showing up, but I’m trying to continue to do the best that I can, and like, I really really do wear my heart on my sleeve. And I guess my perspective was like, to get vulnerable and open up on that one on one. I don’t know, like..
Zach: I never want you to think of this as like, a process that’s like, where on a one on one, that’s when you can open up and find love. Like, I never wanted that. And I’m upset that like, you felt like you needed to feel that way. [his tone still here is reassuring] Because there isn’t like, a rule on a one on one with each other -
Jess: I know. I know.
Zach: but it’s okay, it’s okay.
Jess: I’m trying really hard to get out of my head with that. It’s just… okay. Were women vulnerable with you before or after a one on one? [she gets visibly upset here]
Zach: what? The one-on-one -
Jess: [frustrated tone, I don’t want to say raising her voice but kind of] because a one on one is a whole day together!
Zach [now also frustrated]: you keep bringing up, like, it’s about a one on one. And I’m - I’m feeling so confident about us, and then… it’s about a one on one? What am I missing?
Jess: [crying]
Zach: [confused facial expression]
Jess: I understand your perspective that one on ones are not what I think that they are. But like, to not get a one on one, when in my position, a one on one is a big deal.
Zach: mhm (this is where the visible Zachary Ick sets in)
Jess: I just, I don’t know where your head’s at. Like, I’m confused.
Zach: yeah.
Jess: okay. [emotional laugh]
Zach: to be honest, like, and I will always be honest with you, I feel like there’s that disconnect, I guess. I don’t feel any more sure about this, and I feel nervous, and I don’t think I can feel fully nervous. So I don’t know how you feel, but I’m not feeling that confident. As hard as it is. Like, it pains me to say.
Jess: [nodding, then crying] I told you from the start that I’m not gonna fight for someone. Like, I told you that all I wanted was someone to fight for me. And like, I’m not doing that. I’m not.
Zach: [confused facial expression]
Jess: I’m not gonna beg for you. I’m not doing that.
[they stand up together and walk out]
I can understand how, if in fact the one on ones aren’t his choice, he would be frustrated. But if he knows this and she doesn’t then his sudden switch is still very odd. There is a disconnect based on knowledge and that’s her fault? It’s a bad look.
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I don’t think I could take Christina, It would be similar to having Demi but with a kid.
I think Ariel would be good. She seems very much in control of herself and strong enough to handle the 30 toddlers she would have to choose from. She’s also been pretty nice to everyone and has a sense of humor.
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34 minutes ago, dleighg said:
was there some mention of "tea party" that I missed? She's too young to reference the 2010 phenomenon, right?
Maybe she was thinking she is Alice in Wonderland
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53 minutes ago, Recyclorette said:
She was the best part of this episode! They should have her on ATFR.
Maybe she could be the bachelorette when they finally do the senior bachelorette?
1 minute ago, Crashcourse said:I missed the conversation with Zach and Greer, so can someone tell me what he said to her that was so mean?
Greer was trying to show she understood how frustrating it was for the Z-man to get Covid by talking about how she had gotten Covid when she was trying to finish her sales quarter successfully. The Z-man got all outraged and snippy that she would compare her sales job to his finding his best friend, love of his life, wife for ever and ever, etc.
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I’m not a big fan of television Greer but I did think it was very interesting that production only showed her in the pub during credits. She was quite jolly and fun in that. But if you watched only the main show you would think that her tears probably caused the Thames to flood.
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I was certainly impressed by Gabi’s clear gloating over the other woman not being designed to make them feel inferior. She also has a bridge to sell to the other women.
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19 minutes ago, DEL901 said:
He worked for King Charles? I’m guessing not since Charles became King. He probably hasn’t worked for the royal family in years.
I think Charles the Second not Charles the Third.
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The problem here is that the article ignores the fact that the show’s ratings were in decline with CH. it has little to do with his firing. It has to do with the fact that it has become so repetitive and predictable that it is boring. It had declined according to the article from over 20m to over 5 with
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50 minutes ago, Back Atcha said:2 hours ago, SallyAlbright said:
Christina wasn't even really mean, just drunk and annoying.
Not "really mean," but bare steps away. She's a practiced manipulator and the type that plays the victim
I think she could have survived except for her reaction to Charity’s rose. That indicated a genuine indifference to the feelings of others. Of course she was supposed to pretend to be happy for Charity—just like all the rest of them pretended. But she couldn’t muster that simple sociability. There was no way he could ignore that.
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I thought this was pretty fabulous honestly. The casting was great with the exception of Morticia and Gomez. And i thought the characters were great with the exception of Morticia and Gomez. And i think that was the most interesting Thing i have ever seen.
Jenna Ortega was terrific as everyone says. I’d watch her in almost anything. But i also thought Wednesday was well written. She really didn’t understand the rules of the game but was so sharp that she was able to cut herself through. Sure it was a bit tropey but what the hell.
And I didn’t really get Harry Potter vibes. This was a darker version of high school is Hell from Buffy. But in fact Wednesday wasn’t a chosen one—she was instead manipulated even before she got there and triumphed only because of her frenemies and because she didn’t care who got in her way. And a good deal of it was funny.
the other thing is that I didn’t mind Fred Armison in a role. That’s a first.
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On 11/30/2022 at 7:27 PM, Superclam said:
Didn't the baby have red hair? I thought Elora was going to be red-haired girl.
I think Ellie Bamber may have red hair in real life. Maybe it will change.
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On 11/24/2022 at 12:09 PM, noluvnoluck said:
I thought her first pick was Bartise until he shot her down.
My recollection was that was a preemptive rejection on his part. She had shown that she was tuning him out and he didn't want to give her the chance to say no.
It's interesting (although possibly producer shenanigans) that while Bartise kept going on and on about Raven afterwards, she doesn't seem to have given him a second thought.
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I'm not sure how to adjudicate the "you can't book"/"are you bi-polar" dispute but clearly these two should not get married. Even if they were not fighting there is too much baggage there. On Cole's side I would want to meet the parents (no not the movie). I think that he is trying but he has no real sense of how what he does effects others and I wonder where that comes from. But Zanab is just as bad. She lost me at the picking out the dress episode. There, instead of joining in the festivities and enjoying the fact that her step-mother (or aunt I was never sure) was there for her as she has been for years, it became about her mother not being there. I get that. But that can't be the only thing and she often reverts to the default depressed mode. and then she is upset.
So he has little emotional sensitivity and she has little capacity to let go of things. It's the Titanic waiting to happen.
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I actually wonder if this show hasn’t finally collapsed under the weight of its own contradictions. They tried to create a no holds barred version of the mothership but it couldn’t work for as long. The year that they realized that they had to cut back on drinking was the sign. All the alcohol helps the producers on the main show because it leads to conflict with the contestants; in BIP it led to harrasment and violence. Then you get the constant recycling of people who already recycle themselves elsewhere in Bachelor Nation. Was their a single moment of spontaneity this season—with the possibility exception of Lace’s ill fated trip to find Rodney? And even that was probably producer driven.
When you think that people want to listen to Wells’ Story Time you know you are in trouble.
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Our long national nightmare is over!
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TPTB clearly need to be reminded of the old wisdom that if you draw from the wells too much it will run out of water.
What i really don’t understand about these contestants is that they all know what happens in editing. Yet they still behave as if what happens in paradise stays in paradise. It’s not just Kate who now couldn’t get cast as Cruella Deville. But couldn’t Shanae have told Toddler1 that she really just wanted to hang out? Did Johnny really need to make absolutely no sense on camera? I’m no fan of Victoria but wouldn’t you try to get Han Solo to get you off the planet if you were faced with that?
i think Jesse is different than CH because he isn’t a producer. CH had a lot of power. Jesse has to watch Wells make us all hope for a power outage.
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2 hours ago, Adeejay said:
I know you mean "Victoria stayed with Johnny", but you still didn't answer my question. Is Alex still in Paradise or not?
Sorry. No. he left at the next rose ceremony.
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Season 20: Spoilers and Speculation
in The Bachelorette
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