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57 minutes ago, Stats Queen said:
It finally showed up on Hulu. That was annoying.
Maybe it took a while to edit the “likes” down to fit into a 3 hour show.
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Our long national nighmare is over!
i thought that both Ariel and Gabi did well except that Gabi’s going on so long when Zach came out allowed him to sit there with his furrowed brow “oh no” look and not really answer any questions. As both Gabi and Ariel indicated there were two questions he needed to answer: first, why did he make her come out to get dumped into the mud and second, if he “had to be open and honest” about them sleeping together then why didn’t he tell Ariel? It is so clearly not about being transparent but trying to keep Kaity from being mad at him. If that’s it then own it. But they let him off the hook on those two things.
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28 minutes ago, phlebas said:
If they're already filming, could that have been part of the reason the job went to Charity instead of Ariel/Gabi/Kaity?
I would think that the early filming is probably why Charity rather than Ariel went home at 4. If they wanted Ariel they would have told him to flip it.
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9 minutes ago, Melonie77 said:
I'm hoping it will be Kaity - but I just don't understand why he insisted he would not sleep with anyone/Gabi and then the next morning he said they both decided being intimate was the right thing to do. Everything you laid out seems feasible but I just wonder how the Gabi part will get wrapped up. I feel bad for her as she will be hurt and apparently, she is also catching a lot of negativity from Bachelor Nation. This is what I meant by viewer fallout. If he is indeed choosing Kaity then sending Gabi home before the ceremony would be the best thing for her. Sleeping w/ G and telling the world really made the end of the show very messy. How ironic considering Zach avoided drama like the plague all season long!🙃
I think the big danger for Zach in terms of public reaction is how he and Jesse were joking around about “sex week” at WTA. Knowing how it played out with Gabi he seems really heartless. Because whether they slept together or not she clearly expected it to remain between them.
I have seen reports that kaity was actually the first date and Gabi was the second but I don’t know how that works in terms of what we have seen.
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15 hours ago, Melonie77 said:
Hmmmm....Even w/ spoilers it's become very difficult to figure out the finale this year! Reality Steve says the 'winner' is Kaity but there was someone on social media plus Bachelor Fantake on YouTube who were originally sure it was Gabi. The Fantake guy is usually pretty good with how he breaks down the previews. I left his breakdown of Fantasy Suites night above on March 17th. Although he did not guess that Zach slept with Gabi, his video was super interesting in how he put the clues together via the previews from the entire season.
I wonder if the photo that came out of Z and Kaity at the finale supposedly proving he chose her, is definitive or not.
I never saw that picture. Does anyone know where to find it?I just found this from Bachelor Fantake....
But doesn’t the fact that it’s from a promo mean it’s wrong?
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1 hour ago, Recyclorette said:
So why is Gabi receiving so much hate? I just don't get it. There has been so much revolting behavior on this show regarding sex; it's been rife with it for 21 years! Reading some of the comments criticizing Gabi, I don't know why her critics even watch this show.
And let's not forget what Zach said: "It wasn't lust, it was love." How anyone can pile the hate on Gabi and give Zach a pass after that is beyond me. It seems that Kaity has quite the cheering squad and that's OK. But there is no need to humiliate Gabi. They're both lovely women and deserve better than Zach.
Honest question: what Gabi hate are you talking about? Maybe I have missed something but almost all the comments here have been about Zach and how he screwed things up. I don't think that people are blaming Gabi for the sleeping together. They might be commenting on her freaking out because she wasn't scheduled first but basically the through line here is that Zach a) shouldn't have made an announcement that there would be no sex b) if he made it should have kept to it c) if he didn't keep to it he shouldn't have humiliated Gabi by then blabbing on national tv about it because he was afraid that Kaity would find out. I believe that that's three strikes.
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1 hour ago, Jax7917 said:
He seems to calculated with every move he makes (not a terrible thing by the way, as I think it's nice to want to behave respectfully) but I just find him to be kind of fake to be honest.
I guess he forgot his playbook on the date with Gabi.
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2 hours ago, ApprenticeFan said:
Filming for Charity's season begins tonight after numerous delays and encountering rains in the last 24 hours:
why can't they invent a chatbot that prevents all of his popups??
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Okay it is clear that Zach is an idiot (although Ariel should be thankful that he is). But I wonder if given that he is a mess if the following is possible:
1) at the beginning of celibacy week he really wasn’t sure between kaity and gabi.
2. Gabi starts to spiral. He is afraid she is going to quit.
3. He panics and like a doofus decides that he sleeps with her he will stay.
4. He panics (AGAIN) because now he is afraid kaity will find out and leave.
5. he gives in to guilt and tells her.
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14 minutes ago, Melonie77 said:
Whoops! but now we know that wasn't true - they managed to surprise us!
Boggles the mind
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On 3/19/2023 at 9:10 AM, Melonie77 said:
I agree! Either he slept with no one or only Kaity. And as you suggested Kaity is stressed out with last-minute worry she won't end up as Zach's final choice after all.
Yes that all makes sense!
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4 hours ago, phlebas said:
Did we? I haven't seen any names at all for BiP.
I thought someone earlier had something to that effect from RS. Maybe I’m wrong. I’d like to be.
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3 hours ago, phlebas said:
What I think is going to be rough -- worse than mustard on pancakes -- is:
I assume Gabi's date is first. He tells her NO SEX, and they spend the night mainlining maple or whatever. Then Zach sleeps with either Kaity or Ariel. THEN Gabi finds out about it, and spirals because she feels ugly and undesirable. I believe that's the point we see in the previews with her having a moment on the beach.
THAT would feel awful. "He was able to become a monk with me, but couldn't whip Little Zach out for Ariel/Kaity fast enough?" In her shoes, I would be gone so fast I left scorch marks on the sand.
ETA: Now that I think about it, this might explain why Ariel isn't the Bachelorette. If she and Zach actually have sex -- in fact, she's the ONLY one he has sex with -- then he sends her home, that says "thanks, Ariel, I got what I wanted, have a safe trip." I can easily imagine her being done with the franchise.
But didn't we hear that she is going to be on BIP?
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1 hour ago, JenE4 said:
I may have missed something because I’m going by memory. But Zach was definitely talking directly to Gabi about something that upset her greatly during the day portion of their date. They were on a beach in bathing suits. Would he have slept with Ariel and then told Gabi first thing on their date? I don’t know. Seems like something that would at least wait to the dinner portion unless he was feeling so guilty.
Kaity, on the other hand, was upset in front of producers and dressed casually. So it seems that hers was a stand-alone freakout and not necessarily to Zach or in response to something he told her. Most likely this was not filmed on their date. She was saying she wanted to just go home, but that could be something else like her mom got sick or something. Though also probable that she is upset over Zach. For all we know Gabi came running back crying and got Kaity all upset because they seem to be very close.
Ariel, on the other hand, was only shown wiping away tears directly to the camera in a talking head segment, so that could be anything. BUT that makes her the least likely scorned—and the most likely screwed.
That could be. But I could see an alternate scenario: he sleeps with Kaity and then tells the other two. Kaity is upset because it should have been a private moment between the two of them instead of him blabbing about it to the others, Ariel is upset because she thought that they had a really "special" night and then she learns that Zach slept with Kaity which ruins her night, and Gabi is upset because Zach finally confesses that he doesn't like maple syrup.
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22 minutes ago, chocolatine said:
It looks like "I'm going to cry" will be the tag line of the season. 🙄
Is that a spoiler? Seems reliable to me.
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14 minutes ago, DEL901 said:
Great locations but…. I may be out this season….something I haven’t said before.
I’ve said it before but I might actually mean it this time.
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So what is the "speculation" (copyright this thread title) for the preview effort to make us think that the Z-Man sleeps with Ariel and then tells that to Gabi and Kaity. I mean does anyone really think that he is going to sleep with her and then send her home? (don't say anything Phlebus).
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5 minutes ago, Melonie77 said:
I thought it was odd that he didn't give Kaity the first rose as he seems to like her the best. She looked hurt that she wasn't called first.
I think that they often mix up the order to disguise who the top choice really is. Considering that they were already planning out their house in the hometown maybe the producers thought that if he gave her the first rose everyone would stop watching (not that we have that much sense).
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1 hour ago, tinkerbell said:
TPTB consistently overrated how much they think we want to see the lead making out with everyone.
I think we overrate how much TPTB think.
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1 hour ago, Crashcourse said:
I think Ariel is attractive and intelligent, but I don't think she's all that, and she's not as cool as she seems to think she is. Just my opinion.
Tbh, I don’t think that she thinks that she is that cool—which is one of the differences between her and Emily. I think she was brought up to be reserved and think before she speaks. I know a lot of people like that. It’s just unusual for this show. Plus she is very attractive. 🙄
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42 minutes ago, dizzyd said:
That’s even more astounding that Charity was their first and only pick and no one else was even considered to reject the offer! I knew about Peter Kraus but I’m surprised Tyler Cameron was never considered for the lead.
If the news that Ariel and Gabi are going on BIP is true then i think that must be the case. I can’t imagine anyone turning down the lead and then going on BIP. And Kat wasn’t going to get the offer after the editing job they did on her.
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3 hours ago, Melonie77 said:
In his reader comment section, RS also mentioned that he expects both Gabi and Ariel to show up on BiP. I hope so, but I also pray they chose another location.
I don't know why they can't stay where the group of girls were sent last year when they were cruelly isolated from their guys. That resort is on the beach, has AC and there would be no crabs running around everywhere nor giant snakes big enough to strangle you hanging out over your bed.
I know I keep repeating myself but maybe someone from the show will look here and see how some of the audience is sick of that gross location!🤣
As much as I enjoy Ariel in a bathing suit I’m disappointed that she agreed to BIP. Unless she is planning on making them film in one of the buildings she is planning on buying in NYC
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25 minutes ago, Melonie77 said:
They will probably make the announcement revealing the next bachelorette at the woman-tell-all. It's strange that Steve hasn't been able to get any info about what happened at that taping.
If they do make it at WTA then it most likely will be Charity won't it. The person would have to be off the season by then and she doesn't make it to the final three I don't think. The only hope for Ariel is if they wait till ATFR.
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5 hours ago, JenE4 said:
I have no doubt in my mind that they’re “saving” Ariel for Paradise, where she can frolic in bikinis 24/7 and have the men falling all over themselves to try to break through her somewhat stand-offish and snarky exterior.
I have hopes that Ariel might not be willing to go to Paradise. She has a real job and a brain. And they could have had a whole season of international travel to bathhouses if they wanted her in a bikini all the time.
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The Bachelor in the Media
in The Bachelor
No i think that this refers to the final date. Although the sequence on nightmare suites also seems messed up.