Anna Yolei

Like the brother whose wife he raped? (This has multiple correct answers btw) Oh, what complete malarkey! Dude was a waffle from jump, well before any kids were involved. He certainly didn't think much about Beth being around Thomas when he decided to use Kelly this entire last year to (thank God, unsuccessfully) come between Steffy and Finn. But Brooke is married to the Waffle King, so... :|

This has been the case for so many stories for at least the last six years, going back even to the Beth kidnapping, where Thomas was the only character involved who had been on the canvas six months before the story began. All the rest were n00bs that people were either indifferent to like Shauna, were already annoyed with for other reasons (like Emma, who was basically virginal Hope but boring and who no one who have given a witty about if she didn't die the way she did) or in Flo's case, absolutely aggravating and who people just wanted gone. And this was for what should've been a major tent story?! Yeah, this is way too fast for Will and Electra. In fact, ALL the stories move at light speed with the only one that they DO build up-over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again--is Steffy's goddamn daddy issues. And truly, Steffy is the only Forrester who gives a rat fuck about the Logans, because who else really has beef? Kristen and Felicia have always liked Brooke, Zende grew up away from all of this like Ivy and Electra and any other non-Jessica children John may have, and Thorne and Brooke have put their issues long behind them both, as has Eric (defense of Steffy in this instance notwithstanding). Other than her equally lunatic brother, no one gives a shit.

This right here is something I've noticed old B&B paid attention to. Every time some line or Spectra was on the line, they'd have someone point out that this is a business and that people's livelihood was on the line. Ridge may be rude to a random employee on occasion but it never went unchecked by Eric or anyone else that was in earshot. Among many other reasons, I've never been much invested in Hope and Steffy's feud because it all just came across as Rich People Problems™ over shit the majority of us only wish we had as an issue, especially me as a California native who got priced out of my home state entirely.

Again. 😒

Hell, I wouldn't even need a full courtroom drama over it, just Hope reading her the riot act and saying what we've all been thinking before walking out of FC to start her own business would be enough for me. At this point, I don't even want Hope back in that awful place. I just want her free and clear and let Steffy spin in place on her broomstick when she has no one else to kick around. I suppose RJ and Zende will be her new targets, or maybe Electra since she does have 2 X chromosomes and Lord knows women can't be friends.

That's just it. The show is just going to ridiculous lengths to keep her from speaking up to Steffy. It's Steffy we're talking about so she wouldn't have believe a damn thing out her mouth anyway but she should've said it the way Steffy was allowed to tell an equally belligerent Hope that she didn't fuck Liam at that nightclub in 2012. Believe me, non-Hope haters hate victim Hope as much as everyone else :(

Count me as a skeptic until and unless the show proves otherwise that a consequence will be had for The Great Girlboss Victor Newman, too. B&B is nothing if not flatly predictable. I want to be wrong, I truly do. It's also funny that people get so mad that the Logans aren't outright hated because this is one of the few places online that *isn't* mindlessly worshipping at Steffy's feet. If they don't like the (IMHO) very civilized discussion here, they are at no loss of other places like Twitter, Instagram and probably Bluesky too if and when the soap accounts start moving there (like if anyone wanna get another Team Logan or at least not rabidly anti-Hope/Brooke space going, better get in on the ground floor, the block options are AMAZING) Like, I've been apart of this community when it was TWoP and Brooke was very much persona non grata twenty years ago, when her and Ridge were the ones being propped and Nick and Rick and Taylor were having their characters ruined to prop them. The rabid hatred just doesn't make sense anymore when Brooke is at worst a nagging mom to her grown idiot daughter but otherwise not currently ruining lives.

A thousand times, yes. Luna is the only woman who has gotten Bitch In a Box to shut her yap since before COVID who got to survive unscathed. I can't even pretend to be angry about that in the least, no matter how left field the story was.

I wonder how many of the people who were cheering Zende on last year when he was having his own superbitch moment about RJ and using an innocent* woman to take the piss at him will also defend him for standing up to Steffy, who is also threatening his livelihood in a more direct way than RJ ever did. I mean, legally, he is a Real Forrester© so certainly he belongs there far more than Hope does according to that logic? 🫠 Hell, RJ has no more Forrester blood than she does but he IS Ridge's son just as much as Thomas is. Will Steffy pull out the Logan card on him, too? *No, I don't care that they did a 180 on Luna, he still chose to act the way he did. I'd do one better by bringing in entirely new characters with zero direct tires to any of the three core families that will do what Sally and Nick and Conner Davis would do to drag the Forresters for the entitled, privileged ass hammers the show always meant for them to be. Even for people who hate the Logans, I really cannot see how the Forresters are any paragons of virtue either aside from maybe Bridget who is so unlike either of her family that if not for seeing her birth in an isolated cabin I would think she was switched at birth.

I'm sorry to see you go, but I speak for many here when I say it's not Steffy's bitchiness that's the problem. Most of us loved Stephanie and Reva from Guiding Light and Carly from ATWT and rooted for Jill Abbott on Y&R back in the day. No, the problem is, much like Victor Newman or Carly from GH, she's never allowed to lose. No one is ever allowed to even voice even the most mildest of criticism onscreen without her shooting it down, like when Finn tried asking her if she wanted to see Kelly and Beth having the same antagonist relationship she and Hope have had and to maybe consider burying the hatchet for their sakes. It's her way or the highway. Steffy's not the first character to eat this show alive, to be fair. But even when Nick Marone got all the big romance plots or Amber was the face of the teen scene over legacy kids CJ and Rick or even during the one time that Brooke actually was coddled by the narrative in the 2000s, they all occasionally took a L, as the kids say. They all were allowed to struggle and occasionally even learn from their mistakes to become better people. Hell, even Christine Blair on Y&R, one of the genre's biggest pet Mary Sues, played by the poster child for nepo babies, was allowed to lose to psycho Phyllis (which is 95 percent of the reason that otherwise worthless character has had the longevity she's had IMO bc people was THAT tired of Cricket the bug but I digress). If a nepo baby studio mandate character who, aside from being overly propped, was otherwise a largely decent human being can take a few lumps in her life, so too can Steffy. This is known as the Dolores Umbridge effect, ie people hating normie evil characters more than the fantasy Big Bad of a series because it's an evil most of us are far more familiar with. None of us will ever deal with being the Chosen One of a self fulfilling prophecy by a dude obsessed with immortality, but we have had to put up with people in power using institutions to bully us in positions or situations we couldn't easily leave. And you're right that we are all here for escapism, which is why the Beth story leaning so hard into Hope's depression damn near killed the show six years ago. It very likely would have if that story had played out a year later. And it's getting to be the same thing here. No matter how much I love any one character, no one should be allowed to run ramshot over everyone. Recent history has shown otherwise. I'd love to be wrong but I don't think I will be. I will say that if Steffy does come back with an apology that Hope tells her where to shove it because Uncle Nick gave her funding to start up her own fashion house. That man always came through for her, unlike Ridge and I will think it forever a shame that Jack Wagner left right as all that Liam bullshit started. Would've loved to have seen him clean his waffle clock at least once.

I wouldn't say "tough" per se, but I do think he challenged Brooke in ways no other man ever truly did. He's also the only man Brooke ever left Ridge for to go chase after once she had gotten her "destiny so there's that. Nick was perhaps his toughest towards Brooke after marrying Taylor, and even for as little as I cared for Nick's character at the time, he certainly never attempted to lead Brooke on, unlike Ridge, and called her out for running to him after their even-for-B&B messy divorce.

One thing I'll give Victor is that it took decades for him to get the ass pat coddling that Steffy has managed to start getting within the same decade of joining B&B. And Victor at his absolute worst is a more interesting character than little rich princess Steffy could ever hope to be. Truly, if this is all Taylor is going to do, I wish they'd just let her die a dignified death with any scrap of self respect she may have had (and from my rewatch through mid season 8, she wasn't working with much even on a good day) Sacrificing Hope's character to prop Steffy isn't entertaining, and neither is sacrificing Taylor to give Bridge drama because Susan Flannery won't do cameos to have Stephanie's ghost meddle from beyond the grave.

Well shit, how the hell could she ever let go knowing that there was someone always waiting in the wings? I mean, the whole reason she even lost her virginity to the fucker was at Brooke's suggestion to stick it to Steffy and take away her power. Then again, Wyatt was laying it down and she left him, so 🤷‍♀️ As anyone who has grown up in any strictly religious community can tell you, the minute kids who had rigid rules get a taste of freedom, they will more often than not go absolutely overboard. Hope spent her teens and 20s making up for Brooke and Deacon's bad judgement and now she's making up for lost time as she's approaching 40. You cannot skip developmental markers. They may happen out of order, but happen they will and it seems like Hope is going to adolescence at an age where many are getting their first mammograms.

Well, not that head she's thinking of ;) This, too. The way she's been acting, I'm surprised she hasn't called up Thomas to offer him her stock in Forrester (does she have any?) to come back and woo Hope. My God, I hate the Marones but when Brooke gets all pearl clutch-y about she she wrote the book on, I sincerely can't even. Worry about your own louse waffle husband and that bitter shrew he keeps entertaining. Except that the only place Steffy ever seem interested in burying a hatchet with Hope or anyone else is in their back. I mean, isn't her supposed schtick about making Forrester Creations for Forresters only? Why wouldn't she call a truce with her blood cousin, one who also had her own issues with Hope in the past and whose line has proven to make money?! Steffy's decision making is giving Elon Musk buying Twitter to spite the ex-wife and trans daughter who longer speaks to him.

Among many other things, I just hate that Steffy is so DULL in her pettiness. You had your bitch on wheel types in the past like Jill Abbott and Diane on Y&R but they were fun to watch, even if you didn't root for them necessarily. But Steffy just has no joy in ANYTHING she does and even when she gets everything she wants, she's not happy. If Brooke had gotten with Deacon and he hadn't been married to her stepdaughter, Stephanie would not have cared less about getting involved, as one example, but even there you felt that her motivation wasnt just spite over Brooke but genuine concern for Bridget's well being and protecting her and a then unborn Hope even was more important than slut shaming. But Steffy has none of that. At all. I don't think she's a complete sociopath like Phyllis Summers who left her son to hang to side with the rapist who got herself pregnant against his will, but I certainly could see her Logan Derangement Syndrome taking over at the expense of her own children. Wouldn't it be a nice change if Kelly breaks the cycle with Beth and they have an actual close relationship (or at least fights over anything else other than a Temu version of their worthless father and grandfather)?