Anna Yolei

God, I wish I had ever owned a dog as obedient as he is. No actually, I don't because unlike Steffy, I actually love my two dogs who who they are, even if Prince could get a blackout in Chihuahua Stereotype Bingo and Sunny is especially smart about hiding his "accidents" in clothing I leave on the floor. The writers think it's enough that having a man praise Steffy is enough to make them dynamic. It's not and after five years, "He's not Liam" doesn't cut it. Frankly, it wasn't cutting it after five weeks. It's just boring and dull and to each their own, but even Steam was allowed to have real arguments and fights. But so many in fandom are happy about those fragmented molecules that pass for crumbs, so I expect nothing to change there in the forseeable future. Quoted for truth, because the shows predicable story beats write themselves. This is one show that might actually be improved if Bell was replaced with an AI bot. His ideas are no better than an AI slop generator's anyway. The day Ridge is out of both women's lives is the day I will know peace.

While there's validity to that theory you posted (and you're not wrong, if Bell could milk the Steam/Lope wars till the heat death of the universe, he absolutely would), I will never say never: we all thought Taylor got away with James until they brought that up ten years later. If and when they get rid of Finn, they'll drag that out, probably in the most stupid, infuriating way but they'll do it when they think they can weasel back in that direction again. But it won't be today and tomorrow doesn't look likely either. I do NOT for the life of me understand why Brooke has been so de-fanged in recent years...I mean, you see her peers on the other shows going claws out over far less and she has to act like a meek nun. Far, far worse. I thought Ridge had anti-chemistry with Katie but....well, actually I still hate Kridge more but this version of Tridge is just under them as the worst pairing Ridge has been put with. How the hell is the chemistry so bad to dethrone him and BRIDGET?!

And she's not even good at that! Marcus was a decent guy who she left for Rick, who ran game around her. Owen was ten toes deep for Jackie (I always found his ONS with Bridget to be far out of his character but that's another rant) Oliver is the rare man on this show with an actual spine and was never interested in here even after he was free Arguably Bill was the one guy she did manage to wrap around her finger and use sex to get the company back but when push came to shove, he bailed when Katie got sick, a consideration he did not think much about when he wanted to marry Brooke. Liam is such a pushover that no one should be proud to get him. Wyatt wasn't so much of an issue as his overbearing mother was but her cooter wasn't enough to come between those two. Arguably, it didn't even work for Finn and Sheila. Worst. Seductress. Ever! /Simpsons Comic Book Guy

This right here. Back when ATWT was in its own death spiral in its last few years, they would do this shit on the regular to push one story or one couple or the other. Will never forgive the way they trashed Vienna to push Henry Coleman and Barbara Ryan together or the way they made Meg Synder--as horridly up her own pretentious ass that she was--into a lunatic for Damien of all people to ship her away to the looney bin and put Paul and Emily back together and ESPECIALLY turning Lily's otherwise boring boyfriend Keith into a psycho who all but blackmailed her into staying with him. At another place I discuss B&B, one poster mentioned that they hate Hope because it feels like other characters get ruined to give her story (namely Thomas). And while this person is certainly not unbiased, the fact is I see this sentiment on all sides of the aisle in a way I never do for any other soap fandom. No one in this fanbase enjoys the direction of this show.

Sounds perfect for this sour and dour Ridge, then! 🫠 Original recipe Taylor wasn't the most chill person but you could see how men were attracted to her. I just don't get that here. Liam still clears everyone on this show, but yeah, I'd say Carter is certainly moving up the ranks. That said, someone beat me in describing the firing process and it's ridiculous why Electra's getting sacked. Far be it from the geniuses running the place to give a shit about any history prior to Labor Day (unless it's Brooke's or Hope's), but Donna Logan had a whole ass story in the 80s about her taking nude photos that were published in a magazine Bill owned. You'd think that given what their own sister has been through they'd be more sympathetic but no. :| Hell, even more recently than that, when a sex tape came up that was believed to be Amber's, FC rallied in support! Including Brooke, who had spent the last four years to that point trying to be rid of her out of her life, even! Katie has always been a buttinski and you'd also think maaaaaybe she'd use a fraction of her nosiness she's had for, I dunno, the Luna shit or her beef with Quinn from 2017 to look into this before tossing the girl on her ass. People elsewhere have wondered if this is being written like this to make them look like hypocrites to make Steffy look better. I wouldn't put it past these idiots to do that, but more likely is just plain ol' laziness.

Caroline Spencer I died long before Massimo was added to the show and even Taylor didn't learn this until after she was resurrected in '05 for the record. As the Aaron Spears' quote mentioned, B&B has very much been a white show with not even the token interest in diversity the others show, save for the two to three years that the Avants were a thriving core family. The best, clearest example is Keith Anderson from season 7 (those of you watching the old seasons on YouTube will know what I'm talking about and I feel like I speak for everyone when I say he definitely deserves a true shot with Macy more than Thorne ever did). Genuinely, I don't think that **every** Black actors is as dogshit in acting as fans will lead people to believe so much as the show has no interest in putting energy in working towards their strengths or developing anything for them outside of being supporting player to prop up the Forresters. 🤷‍♀️ Nothing makes me miss Liam, not even this nonsense, and I'll be glad if and when he moves on from both Steffy and Hope for good. Wish that he'd married Paris instead of Thomas.

In complete fairness, Quinn (with Eric's power of attorney) more or less stuck her as CEO as a bribe to get her to support their marriage. She was in no way qualified then or now for the job, Ridheçs tantrums aside. That said, such behavior towards Steffy is exceedingly rare and out of character from Ridge who has more often than not enabled this shitty brat.

It so very sexist and if Carter had been doing this for any other woman in this show besides Hope, more people would be calling this misogyny out for what it is. Liam is very much a man who has to be dragged around the nose to take any actions on his own and no one would excuse that shit out of him if he had tried it. Carter is stupid in love always but he's never had a problem committing to a decision once he's made it.

It's been forgotten by time, but Bill Jr was the forgotten bastard son of Bill Sr who to my recollection was left out of living in the lap of luxury until the old man croaked and left him the business w the caveat of taking Eric down because Bill Sr lived Stephanie. Or something. It was a quick thrown together excuse to give Don Diamont a job after Brad's sister-in-law killed his character on Y&R and frankly, their loss was our gain.

Thank you! I know most people watching after 2019 missed when Hope was capable of defending herself, but she did used to do so. After the shit Steffy's put her through and Ridge deciding to check out because his brat asked him to (after putting the kabash on a man who DID love her wanting to adopt her, no less), this deserved to be her own moment. It makes no sense, unless Carter is leaving the show at the end of this. Which begs the question why this just couldn't be HIS own story that didn't involve Hope at all. This story reads as both sexist AND racist at once.

Didn't Zende and Paris still get back together anyway after that mess? And then a few months after the last time we saw them together, he was sniffing after Luna. If thats the excuse this show tries to run with, it really doesn't wash. Not that it'll stop the idiots in charge, I'm sure. I wouldn't say any of the legacy kids have had great writing but the boys apart from Rick get absolute bupkiss. Original teen Thomas was on the show for eight years in both of his notable romances happened in his first 18 months on the show. '05 to '09 was just dead space and then suddenly he's fire bombing Rick's car. The following three have all been various flavors of starkerish crazy.. I thought he was an anomaly because Bell was just a Tridge hater but no, somehow he's given Ridge Forrester's own namesake with Brooke even worse treatment!

How did *either* of them betray him more than the grandfather that punted him to the side for Ridge's kid who didn't even want to be a designer or the cousin who considered him acceptable collateral damage when gutting HFTF over her personal issues? Hope and Carter would at least put energy into marketing his designs. Absolute clown buffoonery. And RJ too. ESPECIALLY him.

Well, he also slept with his father's wife too! So WTF does that make him?! Truly love watching the show erase any agency Carter has solely to twist themselves in knots to bash Hope. I mean Carter's the one who the financial expert here...Hope certainly ain't the one the State of California is gonna throw the book at simply for whispering in his ear once. With Ronn Moss, this was their one and only saving grace when the 2000s had Victor wishing death on Nikki after his child bride died (forgot her name but she was stupid young for him) and Lily and Holden having more splits than even Bridge over even stupider shit and Carly Tenney and Jack Snyder blatantly weaponizing their daughter against the other (whoo boy, Sage would've made Steffy look like 80s Christine Blaire if that show lasted into her teen years), Bridge did feel like they at a minimum genuinely enjoyed one another's company. These days he's more snappish if she burns his dinner than IG Ridge was about learning about her fling with Deacon. As someone who watched that show, I will not hear of such slander towards Flower and her family! :p

Oh dear God, that would be hilarious and exactly what Steffy in particular deserves. She definitely came between her and Thomas and I would love for Sally to learn that and throw that in her face when she starts in on how Hope ruined her brother or whatever. He could've been happy and same with Sally but she had evil Spectra blood and Steffy used another woman he was obsessed with (who bizarrely had become obsessed back) to end that. Funny she had no concerns about relapse back then.