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Good grief, 21 years of little ones running around. I mean kids are great and all, but at some point the diapers need to stop and you need to sleep through the night.

Exactly. AndKaylee only knows how to parent from what Jill has modeled. She doesn't know any other way. She hasn't been allowed to see any other way. Hopefully, Heidi ,who seems to have been raised in a non completely bat guano home, can model better parenting. She and Timmy seem to have already drawn some boundaries that they are enforcing with Jill, let's see if it continued when the babies start arriving.

Sneaking into places you don't belong is a form of lying too. I may not be as dogly as Jill, but I know if I'm not supposed to be there, I don't go. And the kids don't know its wrong because Jill never taught them different. Oh big sign "Hotel Guests Only" that's only suggestion, we're only going to be here for a minute.

6 is awfully old for a first visit. If they are on medicaid, it covers dental for kids. Because we figured out not taking care of teeth leads to a lot of other issues. Not gonna dunk on Kaylee and Jonathan for going to Applebees. They are young, don't have a lot of money (because Jill takes it all). If it was time out for the two of them without the baby and Jill and DBD crashing it, I hope they had fun.

The churches we visit just begged us to come and we couldn't let them down. How on EARTH has that barndo not blown up already?

"hundreds of dollars" to fix the bus. Where pray tell did this hundreds of dollars come from? I agree, a precheck before the day of the trip would have been warranted. But then that would have required DBD to put in effort. I notice Jill isn't to weary to the bone to go on another vacation.

I think with angling for the cruise and the Nashville trip along with everything else she just forgot to "graduate" him.

More posing at busineses like its their own house. These people really are incredibly self-centered. Also who gave them the Cabela's gift card because no way they are shopping there on their own dime (it ain't cheap).

Also the rv is on its last legs and no one seems to be willing to give them a new one. She knows their ability to take the whole family along to look sad and pathetic is limited then. Prestige -- look what I qualified for -- and you can too if you sell this crap. Also she can feel superior to those who didn't get to go, without having to actually spend any money. Feeling superior is Jill's reason for being.

Jill won't even apply for the passport. You have to pay the fee up front. She won't spend money on something she can't show off like her 10 billion tchotkes. Plus the airfare cuts into her grift money for other vacations. If she goes to Punta Cana she really be able to afford only one vacation a year. Jilly can't have that. (When Hubby and I renewed our passports, we went to the post office. Got them back in a month which surprised us, we didn't really need them for an upcoming trip along the Great Lakes but by getting them in time we had the option then of being able to go to Canada if we wanted).

Timbits is getting excited for the wedding night now that he allowed front hugs. He's trying to keep his thoughts pure though. As for Nathan of the Bottomless Wallet, I would thing a preacher wouldn't be available for travel at Christmas, but the whole lot of them thing they are extra special so who knows. Yes, Kaylee moved up because she didn't move away and still lets Mahmo run her life. Nurie lost points by living in Florida and not having the Keller connection move Mahmo into higher fundie circles.

We will hear how EXCITED Jill is to go to Punta Cana for about a month and a half. Then riiiiight before trip, she will either get sick again or some kid will have an emergency and she just won't be able to go. Just like the cruise. As for the "mock" Christmas, way to figure out how to get twice as many presents Jill. Because since this is the "mock" Christmas she will still expect lots and lots of stuff for real Christmas. Especially because she will be so "heartbroken" the married kids are with their in-law families instead of her, she will need presents to make up for it.

GRUELIING = only one vacation and it wasn't the Plexus Cruise. The trip to Maryland to deal with the citation doesn't count. That just added to her "weary to the bone" feeling that they are SOOOO persecuted for (checks notes) vandalizing national parks.

Jill is really irked she didn't get the cruise this year. That's won't happen again. No one puts Jill in a corner. As for Heidi, I don't think she will be selling plexus because A lot of these fundies are into MLM because it lets them promote the belief that this is just a little something Mom can do while still being a terrific Mom and Wife. Also self-supporting and not dependent on the ebil government for assistance (while they all take food stamps and have medicare). (nothing against food stamps and medicare, but don't call the government ebil out of your mouth while holding out your hand for government money)

I get Kaylee going along with this. It's all she has ever known -- Momma runs things. But Jonathan should know better. He needs to put his foot down, and take back the key he no doubt gave to Jill. I just can't get over how hard he has drunk the Jill kool-aid (which sounds gross put that way but you know what I mean). Nathan hates social media so Nurie will never get a page. She's far enough away that Nathan can assert his headship.

Definitely at home in Florida they don't have a thundering herd in the house. Its pretty much just Nurie, Nathan and the two boys. The Kellers don't seem to be into spending time with their grown children or expecting the ones close by to always be together. They are pretty much focused on their own activities (which is as bad as Jill in its own way, its still the same selfish, self-centered behavior, its just not as LOUD). But at home, you know they are beating any independence out of the children. Why would you smile if you know any sign of joy or happiness will result in a beating? Those poor kids. Although I have to laugh that Nurie planned poorly with two older boys. She is going to be stuck raising the first girl all by herself, until that girl is old enough to care for all the other kids. At least Anna Dugger got the order right in their world.

Easier to control. If the kids can't unite together against the parents and are competing for attention/love from the parents they are more willing to do what the parents want in the way the parents want. See Jill Duggar who was trying SOOOOO hard to please Daddy. And look how he treated her for actually finding standing on her own.

Grown kids can't be here for Christmas so making memories while they are here. Translation: Sons in law paying for fun trips for Mahmo while they are around.

wouldn't the people who fear killed also be ... dead? I know, logic and Jill have never met.

One can do "manly'" cooking like grilling or chili. But every day cooking that actually sustains the family -- that's women's work. And Jill doesn't do that either.

"some people think we have it all together" No Jill, no one with a lick of sense thinks you have it all together. Most reasonable people think you are a terrible parent who should feed their kids and at least give them a modicum of attention (forcing them to perform for you does not constitute attention). Poor Sammers and Sophia, the forgotten children.

I believe DBD actually made chili when I see him standing over a stove -- and maybe not even then.

I thought I saw Mama Noyes back there, but didn't recognize the rest. That makes sense. Jill would have her family over when she can brag about what a great hostess she is. While the girls do all the work. Then everyone goes home before she actually has to do anything.

Darn it. The best thing she can do is just live the life of a normal college student. Not being filmed all the time, not having meet and greets. Just go to school. Be around other kids her own age, who didn't grow up with a June type mom. Meet nice boys who will like her for herself, not her money or fame, who won't get her into trouble with the law. But that won't happen with Dralin along.

I wonder how many come home for holidays? These control freak parents are always amazed at how little contact their kids want with them once the kids are adults and are not required to be around the parents. College has to be an interesting experience for the kids.