theironwoman

Can they possibly be that idiotic? (I know, I know) But surely even the Duggars know that watching adult pornography, on its own, is not a crime. And any adult stuff catching the attention of homeland f'ing security means a crime was committed in its production/distribution and going to be horrific in its own right. That would be of no comfort to me.

Josh has been nothing but a destructive force, menace, and burden on everyone around him for most of his life now. I still think that the kindest, most compassionate thing to do for all involved would have been to have him stay in prison and let Josh be Josh's own problem for once in his pathetic life.

I realize I'm biased to hell and back but I honestly think the kindest, most Christian, thing to do would be to keep Josh in jail. Granted the Rebers/Revears/??? can't guarantee that on their own but they didn't have to help facilitate his release either. It would be safer for all involved and would give everyone a chance to detox, for lack of a better word, from Josh. This is my biggest question also. Working? (lol) Working out? (lol) Some combination of watching tv/mindless internet surfing/eating/making everyone's life miserable? It one thing to do that combo in your own home, an entirely different thing to do it as a guest, in a situation like Josh's, where at least one member of the household probably has, at the bare minimum, barely disguised contempt/discomfort for your presence.

I'm trying to imagine how I would feel if I committed a far lesser crime (like, financial or something similar) that meant I was released on the condition I had to live with almost strangers while awaiting trial. I would be beyond embarrassed, contrite, and feel like an enormous burden on everyone involved. It might kill me faster than a prison sentence. If I was Josh's attorney or someone obligated to still care about him (like a parent), my biggest concern is what is this guy going to do with his days? He's not going to pitch in around the house or make himself helpful in any way. He absolutely doesn't strike me as someone who can keep himself busy or entertained in a normal fashion. Given what they found, I would not classify anyone as safe around him. I feel a disaster coming. I dearly hope I'm wrong.

I wish I hadn't read the recaps. I know it's more complicated than this but the thought I keep coming back to is how this "godly" Quiverfull lifestyle has resulted in a grown man who has this sick and deranged view of children and women. I feel like throwing up.

In this case, I would be inclined to agree with Meri if not for the line they've peddled about their arrangement: that these women mothered all the children. One scene that has always stood out to me was Meri interrupting Janelle's thoughts on Logan graduating to emphatically state that although Janelle gave birth to him, he was all their boy. Yes, living in a thru-way is tough. But this is the reality and these are supposed to be children you view as your own. Communicate and put stipulations on the access if you have to like a normal, functioning family. It's not like Janelle and Christine, who were raising kids and regularly hosting each other's broods had much 'privacy' either.

I feel bad for Michaela. It has to be difficult to watch your sisters breeding like rabbits when that isn't your reality.

What no one has been able to explain to me when they pull this 'hate the sin, love the sinner' nonsense is why they feel their input on the matter is needed or valuable in any way.

I'm sure this has been discussed to death at this point but I've been reading this thread for awhile and while I'm still unclear whether the Dillard's went to DA as part of a ministry or not, I'm still shocked at how little they prepared or immersed themselves in their community. They, or their group, set themselves up to fail. There's a reason the Peace Corps. has you serve 2 years in a country uninterrupted, unless there are extreme extenuating circumstance, and heavily emphasize living and socializing with the community you serve versus other volunteers. You get over the initial culture shock faster, your language skills develop quicker, and the people will value your presence if they know you better which in terms improves your feelings of safety and security. Not saying everything PC does is perfect but it's clear the Derrick and Jill never got to the point where they saw themselves as anything but distinct outsiders. And amidst that they were trying to convert people. While providing nothing of real value to the community. It boggles my mind.

'Michael' as a girls name is not uncommon or unusual (it was ranked in the US's top 1000 names for girls for a long time) so it's strange to me that they didn't just go with it.

I'm glad it's a boy if only because every time Jessa/any woman ever posts a pregnancy selfie, some idiot comments "You're carrying high/low! MUST BE A GIRL!" and makes me want to tear my hair out. That's not a thing! I do love the name Graham but it makes naming your other kid Spurgeon look worse and more perplexing in comparison.

He was talking about Meri's sister's husband. I want to say his name was Nathan but I'll have to watch that bit again to confirm.

I just remembered another bizarro moment: Kody talking about the vows and the importance of love and marriage to his "best friend" who I don't think said a single word back.

This. I am a very anxious public speaker but was asked to do a reading at my sister's wedding. I wanted to do it so I practiced almost daily for about a month beforehand and it helped immensely. I was familiar enough with the words that my nerves didn't short circuit my brain, which is what I think happened to Kody.

That would have been a lovely idea, especially since she's at an age that is traditionally too old to be a flower girl and too young to be a bridesmaid.

I agree Meri shouldn't have shouted out about the rings. It made the end of their already bizarre ceremony especially awkward and uncomfortable. It's also why you want a good officiant who has already presided over a lot weddings. At my sister's wedding, her officiant was on top of all these things, even using his experience to help her stage the ceremony so everything went smoothly and without a hitch.

Kody winging the vows was so embarrassing. No one should do that, ever. Even if you think you might be able to pull it off, step back and think: This is a very important day for the bride and groom and do you really want to steal focus when you start flailing? Of course, Kody is Kody and so pleased with his own poop that he thought he could do it and it would come off as charming. I was sad for Savanah as well but I also realized I don't think we've ever seen a meaningful interaction between her and Maddie on the show before.

The Dionne Quintuplets were born two months early in 1934 and were cared for at home using similar methods. They all survived infancy. I find stories like this remarkable. In an interesting comparison, JFK's son Patrick was born five weeks early, almost thirty years later, and died two days later of infant respiratory distress syndrome, which now has a 10% mortality rate if the gestation age is over 27weeks.

Just looked, they were married in 2014.

Thank you for your explanation! I had extensive orthodontic work as a kid but nothing related to my palate or jaw. I did have one minor surgery to pull a tooth into the correct spot. Reading about Derick's experience, I now consider myself very lucky that I grew up close to an excellent oral surgeon. I wonder, considering his alarming weight loss and attitude, if Derick considers the surgery worth it.

Forgive me if this has already been discussed ad nauseam , but I've been out of the loop Duggar wise: How necessary was Derick's jaw surgery? Was it largely a cosmetic issue or was it better for his long term health?

Yes, that and wonder where I went so wrong in raising her.

I'd say this is accurate and the wives know it. For example, all of them want a piece of Logan. When Janelle mentioned, in reference to him, it being a milestone to have one of her kids go to college Meri quickly interjected that he may have come out of her, but he was their (meaning the other wives) kid too. It was memorable because I can't imagine her saying the same thing about most of the other kids (Mykelti...), or the other wives about Mariah.

Wow, there was zero indication of a 3rd wife in that episode. I'd love to know what the story is there, though I suppose it's possible she just didn't want to be filmed.

Can anyone elaborate on this? Now that I can watch TLC Go I've been working my way through some early Sister Wives episodes again. I just watched one near the beginning of Season 2, where they visit Kody's father's ranch and it was portrayed as if the only two wives were Kody's and Janelle's moms. Was there somebody else they were hiding?