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There was a post on Reddit tonight where someone shared a cameo that Kyle did, and he explained he did vote for Sam because he wanted him to get 2nd place. He said he knew everyone else was voting for Rachel to win and believed she deserved it, but doesn't think Sam and Sue's games deserved to tie for second, as he thought Sam had a better one than Sue. Of course, some people think he might have done it slightly out of spite because Sue was waging a one-sided war against him until his boot. I mean I've seen people before get bent out of shape because someone dared to write their name down (Lex in S3 was probably the worst) but Sue's gotta be right up there in letting revenge get the better of her because someone was playing the game, and she got lied to and had her name written down.

Sue did talk about this in her exit interviews. Not so much the Tweedle Dee thing but that it really boiled down to feeling betrayed by Kyle when he wrote her name down and he promised he wouldn’t. Something about they went on a walk through the jungle and he said she was “mama” and that he’d never write mama’s name down, and then did so. I guess Sue didn’t realize she was on Survivor, where one of the core tenets of the game is lying (although lying about your age is apparently okay). She seemed embarrassed by the montage of her spouting her hate for Kyle because she felt it monopolized her edit and didn’t show other things about her. I guess she caught hate for it. But Sue really seemed like an old school player in many ways. She mentioned that at the Andy vote Rachel really wanted Sam out because she considered him a bigger threat, and was going to write his name down, but Sue absolutely refused to change hers from Andy, and it seemed like her main motive for wanting Andy out was to get justice for Caroline (excuse me, Sweet Caroline). And that someone’s word meant something, loyalty would count for something, and somehow everyone would be impressed with her being older than 45. I guess Sue was about 25 seasons too late for that stuff to matter. I think it was Sierra who said something about wanting the final 3 to sweat, but this jury Q&A was so lame. I kept waiting for something to happen. Definitely not as good as the last couple of FTC. Maybe Rachel’s win was as much as a foregone conclusion for them, too, so they probably just wanted to get the vote over with and go get drunk.

Yeah, reading Sue’s exit interviews I think she thought she had a better game than she really did (and definitely thought revealing her real age was going to go over better but that had as much impact as her revealing she had an idol). Also seemed like a lot of “well if it wasn’t for Kyle I would have had more immunity wins!” True or not I still don’t think that would have gotten her votes.

I asked this question about idols and advantages before, and my understanding is when someone finds it first it is theirs. So if someone found Rachel's idol in her bag, they couldn't take it from her. Corinne talked about the idol hunt she went on with Malcolm in S26. Even though they got to the idol roughly at the same time, because he grabbed it first it was technically his even though they were looking for it and found it together. And Cirie tried taking Sarah's legacy advantage in S34 but couldn't do it (Sarah had given it to her to hang onto, and Cirie was going to try and use it against her). But Jeff said she had to give it back.

With Rachel and Sue it’s like they found each other because they had to. Rachel lost an ally in Anika pre-merge and then lost Sierra, and for whatever reason her and Sam didn’t seem to find themselves on the same page (maybe they figured every former Gata for themselves). And then Sue lost Gabe and finally Caroline. I also don’t think anyone truly considered Sue any sort of threat in the end and she was clearly sticking around to take to the end for fodder. I started getting turned off from Rachel the last couple of episodes too, and Genevieve lost me when she said that she hoped Rachel just stood up and told everyone how better she was than the others in the final 3. Like these two are not legendary type Survivor players in my book. Especially Genevieve. I don’t know if there really is such a thing anymore in the new era anyway. Why I don’t consider Rachel’s idol play impressive is that she outwitted Genevieve, Teeny, Sam and Andy (3 of whom outwitted her the previous vote-so maybe they are all equally smart or equally stupid in the game sense). All Andy, Genevieve and Teeny had to do was vote for Sue and her plan would have been for nothing. But again, it’s like going up against the Three Stooges. It would have been bad if it didn’t work. And Genevieve voted off Sol because he went after Rome, and seemed to not be able to take the emotions of the game well. She seemed particularly rattled by what Kishan said. Maybe she got too used to watching the new era of Survivor where every vote off gave hugs and kisses and somehow got on a season where people gave old school bitter exits. All that said, I’ll probably remember Rachel more than I do Gabler and Erica (winners of 2 seasons I forgot even happened). The whole finale just seemed like a let down from how the season went. I’m not blaming that so much on Rachel and the obvious nature of her win, but overall the jury was eh (which is why I’m convinced they knew who they were voting for and didn’t even care to do the Q&A with the final 3). None of the final 3 seemed that impressive. The thing I’ll remember most is Teeny losing in fire in epic fashion. But I’ll be back next season to go on this show that’s been a roller coaster to my emotions for the past 24 years :)

I believe you can talk about the outcome of the show with certain people but they have to sign an NDA before being allowed to do so.

They seemed to acknowledge that their hate for Sam was more one sided and really because of their own issues more than anything he actually did to them. Teeny seemed to be going through a lot dealing with their identity out there and maybe someone like Sam was just an easy target to direct their hate at. I’ve seen Sam hanging out with some of the cast since the season ended (including Rachel) so I don’t think he’s a bad guy by any stretch but the women seemed to have it out for him in a bad way. And count me in as a season 1, episode 1 watcher of Survivor. Even though this new era is not my Survivor, I’m sticking with it until the end. Still can’t believe we are just about 25 years and almost 50 seasons in! Not too bad for a show that everyone predicted would be dead and buried in less than 5 years.

Rachel wasn’t my choice but I can’t say it was undeserved. I wanted her or Sam and I'm glad both got votes, as I think they deserved to finish as the top 2. I had high hopes for Sue at the start of the season but she started getting way too vindictive and taking things personally. I don't really know why she thought her game was so great, she did well in challenges in the beginning and managed to keep her idol mostly under wraps. Beyond that, she acted as though she did something masterful. I felt her logic and arguments were more old-school. The end game of this season was really dumb luck for a lot of people. Because the people who got outplayed on a particular vote were dumber that time (and then it seemed to flip-flop the following week over who the dumb ones were). Despite her bitter rants and personal grudges for no apparent reason, I like Teeny and I’m glad they could acknowledge at least that their hate for Sam was more on them than anything Sam did personally. Hopefully they can grow from this experience. I did feel for them during the fire-making challenge because that was a rough loss. They did everything right but the wind must have been a Sam fan. I really thought it was going to be a blow-out win so I’m glad it was close and went to the underdog. Overall, my favorite season of the new era. I did think the finale was pretty dull and obvious (minus the fire-making challenge, which was the most unpredictable thing to happen), but overall there were a lot of positive points to this season and cast. Hope to see many of them return in the future! Also want to give a shout-out to our little community here, which may not have the numbers it once did but it’s nice to have somewhere to talk about the show and where we can respectfully share our opinions, even when we disagree :)

I'm definitely tuning in to that!

Hopefully that's what Probst says anytime he calls asking to come back.

I wish they could do a live reunion show for S50. At least make an exception for that season since it's a big milestone and is returning players.

Teeny says she's sorry for aging anyone by saying she was born the year Survivor came out (no offense taken!) but I liked how the camera panned to Sue when she said that.

I don't know that Probst delves into stuff that castaways might be unaware of. I'm sure Kyle heard about Sue's daily tirades against him but he might not be aware exactly of what went down, so I'd be surprised if Probst brought it up. Plus, Jeff is all about making this era of Survivor nice and drama-free.

No. Rachel got everyone but Kyle, who voted Sam.

I'm used to being in the minority with my opinions and taste, and I love it here :)