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ohh that makes sense Yes some people are attracted to people they find disgusting...I don't get it either

Something just dawned on me. Ethan's comeback to Cameron means he knew the entire time Cameron was undressing in front of Harper it meant something and still lied to Harper and told her didn't mean anything.

Absolutely. I love this book and film. He thinks his proximity to Cameron will make him cool. But alas all the money the world could not make Ethan cool. It’s not about attraction, it’s about power. Harper is as attracted to power as Cameron is. She likes holding him in her thrall while pushing him away. Because if she gives in the power shifts.

I am glad you brought up Lucia because WTF...why does she keep having sex with men without getting the $$$ money upfront. Cameron owes her $$$ And then she slept with Albie...no mention of $$$ or expectation for him to pay. A lot of men would have told her to eff off. this is just not smart business. You make the money arrangement before doing anything. And her friend the singer...sleeping with a guy playing in a piano bar in a resort acting like he's the CEO of Record Company...I mean yes he's singing but its a piano bar if he had better contacts, he wouldn't be there. I want more for these women.

I cannot stand Ethan, he's the worst character to me. Also, Ethan is a gigantic doofus. First, his status is not higher than Cameron's. He just has more money than Cameron. I am not sure I would equate that to status. At a certain point, rich is rich. And he may be book smart but he acts like a straight up idiot most of the time. If you are friends with someone, who keeps taking your love interest...than stop being friends with them. You don't go on a trip with them and then choose them over your wife. And keep insisting you didn't lie. I think the real deal on Ethan is he's jealous. He's jealous of Cameron's social ease and confidence. If this is Ethan's normal personality, no wonder people went for Cameron. You can't sit there barely communicating and have no personality and expect people to go for you. That being said, if I were in Harper's situation I would already feel more loyalty to Daphne and it would bother me to do that to her after she confided in me and said its hard to find real friends. I am not saying I would call her when I got back to states to hang out constantly but I wouldn't do this. She would at least get my loyalty for the rest of the trip. Also Jack is not that guy's nephew. Its like the scene in Pretty Woman where Vivian tells Bridget that Edward isn't really her uncle and she says...they never are....

Eye color is complicated. I have parents that both have brown eyes, my sister has brown too. My brother has green and I have blue. But tv science this is a closed case. Daphne said the trainer has blonde hair and big blue eyes and that kid had white blonde hair and big blue eyes. In real life, this could easily be Cameron’s kid. But Daphne looks at the picture before she shows Harper, it’s not accident. I read into it that’s the its sort of the plot of the movie/book Power of the Dog only he made the cowboy heterosexual. The whole time I was like did this happen or did this guy make this up based on this movie. also I would die for beauty. I could listen to him talk about life/opera forever and maybe made up love stories. Harper in a resort full of men, why hit on the married one?

I knew this. I don’t think any successful plan involves Daphne telling Harper that her husband worked with Madoff types and Cameron advocating for insider trading to Ethan. These two’s only plan to get a tan.

Because they were obviously flirting and groping each other at the same table she was at. Also, anytime you’re watching television and they tell you their love interest has blue eyes and blonde hair and then they show you a picture with the kid with the same stuff. That’s usually what they’re going with. That kid belongs to her trainer. It’s the old Lannister callback

Nooo to Ethan’s “considering you should be happy”. I mean I don’t think a kiss is a big deal but lying about it all day and just to be loyal to Cameron is effed…and then his you should be happy is a NO… Daphne definitely showed Harper her kids on purpose. The kids flash is the universal “stay away from my man”. Get a trainer, in other words, stay away from my husband and find a boy toy. Also those are her trainer’s kids… Harper is spiraling. Ethan is the flattest character on record. Glad Albie is having fun and Portia’s love interest has a side piece. I did too, too much Succession I guess…

I’m not a lawyer, so I am not knowledgeable on what constitutes a case for sexual harassment. But sexual harassment is now an umbrella term that encompasses a lot of different behaviors.

I think so too. Did you see Cameron’s pointed looks at Harper? I’m not sure why though. I don’t think this is some big scam for $$$. I also don’t like Daphne would have separated and basically called her husband’s friends Madoff types if this was a plan

Sexual harassment is a type of harassmentinvolving the use of explicit or implicit sexual overtones, including the unwelcome and inappropriate promises of rewards in exchange for sexual favors.[1] Sexual harassment includes a range of actions from verbal transgressions to sexual abuse or assault.[2] Harassment can occur in many different social settings such as the workplace, the home, school, or religious institutions. Harassers or victims may be of any sex or gender.[3] The perpetrator can be anyone, such as a client, a co-worker, a parent or legal guardian, relative, a teacher or professor, a student, a friend, or a stranger. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_harassment I don’t usually comment on something unless I know the definition.

this has no bearing on anything but Valentina is really pretty and she has perfect bangs a la Andie in the Devil Wears Prada

I think all of you have a point. Yes Albie doesn't have ownership of Portia and they just met. But it's shitty to make plans and blow a person off...this is crappy any time you do it. I however think Albie will have the last laugh because Portia hookup is terrible...and I have a good radar for that. I don't find Portia's character remotely interesting but one thing I will say no one is acknowledging is she is in her early 20's. People in their early 20's take opportunities from employers for granted, whine about having to work and blow people off because they haven't learned to be like...give me some space yet. This all seems right for her age. I still don't think she's very interesting and I am not that invested in this plot.

I feel like Ethan is the wildcard here. His motivations are murky. But he leapt at the chance to go on this vacation with Cameron and his loyalty seems to Cameron over his wife even if Cameron doesn’t know or wouldn’t find out. I know others have seen a closeness between these two sexually which has escaped me honestly but something is up here. I tend to think he wants a friend like Cameron and wants to impress him on some level. This show is more about rich people caught in patterns and less about jaw dropping twists. Also IF Harper hadn’t been intensely questioning him, who thinks he would haven’t mentioned the investment pitch? I do.

I did not know Viagra was blue but I am trying to live an ad free life whatever the cost. I think Harper’s sexual harassment background has come into play already. Cameron “Louis CKed” her, she told her husband and he dismissed it. Here she is a lawyer who works only sexual harassment cases but she even doubts her feelings, she goes to her spouse for support and he outright dismisses her. Cameron gets the benefit of the doubt. That’s textbook sexual harassment. And it happens after Cameron says his company is dealing with bogus sex harassment claims OOOOKKKAAYYY Cameron

Ethan and Harper have other problems. It’s pretty clear we’re supposed to compare their marriage with Daphne and Cameron. Daphne and Cameron who each know who each other and know exactly what they signed on for… compared to Ethan and Harper who never discuss their problems and never have fun together. They can’t even have fun gossiping about another couple. They view themselves as this intellectual couple but aren’t really that close. It’s the reason why Harper keeps looking for flaws with Daphne and Cameron because she’s unhappy in her current relationship. She doesn’t understand how she’s got a supposedly honest relationship and it feels shitty and Cameron/Daphne relationship is screwed up and they’re happy.

Oh, he is handsome. I meant his personality. I’ve never been to Northern California, but I don’t think what is wrong with her clothes is that they aren’t fancy. I agree Mia and Lucia do look nice.

I didn’t like the episode either. Ethan annoys me sober as well. He’s a dud.

Bro code with someone he doesn’t even see. Also he knows his wife is not even friends with Daphne. What’s his allegiance to someone he barely spoke to since college?

Way to dig yourself in deeper, Ethan...you are not a good liar...you didn't even do anything just be honest. She knows you are lying. I feel like there is an argument that Ethan is the worst one. First he signs his wife up for this trip with people they never hang out with and a roommate he barely tolerated. Then he acts like she's crazy for pointing all the weird shit about this vapid couple. I also suspect he knows her well enough to know this trip is not her comfort zone. He has the personality of a pea. When they are alone, he mostly ignores her or makes the most banal conversation or he's coming down on her for pointing the weird shit about the couple he never hangs out with. I cannot root for these two. Like what is their relationship? Portia...that guy is Defcon 1 awful. There's no one better at that nice hotel. Also why are you clothes so bad...what is Tanya paying you? And her outfit womp womp womp

Yes should be and she should be mad at her husband. This trip set up with people they barely know where he makes her feels obligated to impress them. And he barely acts present.

I read the book too. My mother actually saw this film with her mother and grandmother in the movies when it came out. I watched as a kid with her recommendation. I still get excited when Michael goes to bathroom to get the gun. Yes we love mob movies in America...I also love Casino and the Untouchables.

Portia is OK to me but her clothing is hideous. Like every time I see her I notice how hideous it is. It’s aggressively hideous, and it must mean something.

I don’t think Cam and Daphne are broke. I think for finance people every person is potentially an investor. I think Cam is who he appears to be an entitled, rich, bored person who is looking for thrills. I don’t think he’s excited by his job or his wife. So he does stuff out of bounds to feel something. He plays a role of the wife guy with Daphne but it’s just a role. I also think he likes bringing Ethan to his level. Harper for him is part competition and part he likes the challenge. As for Daphne there is nothing sadder than when a victim doesn’t know they are victim. I bet Harper has these talks a lot with clients explaining bad behavior away while saying they aren’t a victim. This is the illusion of control over a bad situation. Ethan…is the mystery to me. My instinct is he’s just a solitary person and likes doing stuff alone. The porn was female porn he was watching. I think he has a hard time connecting. But he’s also a dick. He’s knew his wife well enough to know she would hate and feel uncomfortable on this trip. He also knew she didn’t want to go with Daphne and egged it on. Harper is sexualizing everyone because the fact she’s not getting sex has made everything sexual to her. Albie: not liking the Godfather is not endearing you to anyone. Tanya: I love how women always turn to tarot and horoscope when life is unsettling. I have done this too lol. The cards say I would find love today lol.