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From what's said in the deadline article they are not being killed off. And as I posted above Brandon said "nope" that his exit is crossover related.

They are filming episode 4 now. So they'll at least be in most of the first half of the season. They both seem very hurt by this. :(

Someone posted on his Instagram post that this is bull s.... He responded, "Agreed." He also responded to a post saying his leaving isn't connected to the cross over event.

Courtney & Brandon are liking multiple tweets about how bad a decision this is so I'm sure they are not happy while trying to bite their tongues.

I now have zero faith that season 5 will be any good. At this point I'm only watching for Sara & Ava.

And yet they keep Nate.

Holy crap! https://deadline.com/2019/08/brandon-routh-courtney-ford-exit-dcs-legends-of-tomorrow-series-regulars-season-5-the-cw-1202702311/

Legends was never announced to be airing again on Mondays though. I don't know where they'd move All American and Black Lightning if it did.

If you look at the replies to the Instagram posts I posted it sounds like people who work on the show are saying good byes to them as well. This post from Ramona also seems suspect:

Follow the link I posted. The video is there.

New info. More in the video: https://www.tvinsider.com/799651/legends-of-tomorrow-season-5-ava-sara-superpower-mick-romance-novels/ "You can't just stay in the pocket, stay in the groove, keep doing what you're doing," Klemmer said. "That's the good and the bad of it. It's not like a rinse and repeat sort of show. It's like you shed your skin and then hopefully whatever's underneath, it's even more freaky than your last incarnation." And one of the changes coming in the new season involves the team's financial situation. They've lost their government funding, but fortunately, one of the Legends has a career that can help them keep the Waverider traveling through time. They're also losing one set (the Time Bureau) and gaining another because Constantine (Matt Ryan) needed a space of his own. Watch the video above to find out what superpower Lotz wants her character to get, what to expect from Avalance and the Atom in the Season 5 premiere, and more.

I wouldn't like if Ava is calling the shots in her & Sara's relationship like Sara has no voice. That would make viewers who hate the relationship hate it even more. So I think that scoop has to be about Waverider leadership. I keep hoping new Zari will have no time for Nate. I'm fine with Mona leaving. I feel bad for Ramona Young but the character was awful from the start.

I wonder if Mona & Wolfie may be out.

Well, Katie liked some messages on Instagram about going to Legends.

More on Sara's power: https://tvline.com/2019/07/19/legends-of-tomorrow-season-5-preview-video-brandon-routh-superman/

Caity will direct episode five: https://tvline.com/2019/07/19/mayans-mc-season-2-trailer-video-fx/

That's weird. Keto said their press day is tomorrow.

We'll have to see how Ava, Nora, & Mona are treated next season. I doubt they are going to be considered just guests. When Ava moves in on the Waverider, I'd assume she'll be considered an official member of the team and be equal to everyone else. Just like Constantine & Charlie have been since they joined last season.

https://ew.com/comic-con/2019/07/18/legends-of-tomorrow-season-5-mockumentary-premiere-zari/ “That’s DC Comics,” says executive producer Phil Klemmer, pointing across the street at the towering building that houses the publisher’s offices, just a stone’s throw from the Legends of Tomorrow’s writers room at Burbank Studios. “They look down on us, both figuratively and literally.” This joke — which Klemmer cracked with a chuckle as we stepped outside for the writers’ daily post-lunch walk around the lot mid-June — is classic Legends, irreverent and self-deprecating in equal measure. This show has poked fun at its network’s “dare to defy” slogan; had a character say “hard pass” to last year’s annual Arrowverse crossover; and ended its fourth season with three of its D-list superheroes dressing up as the titular heroes of Arrow, The Flash, and Supergirl because they realized the world they were trying to save wouldn’t listen to them since they weren’t as popular as the Trinity. In fact, Legends of Tomorrow — which is featured on one of the five Arrowverse covers gracing the latest issue of Entertainment Weekly — has fully embraced the fact that it might not be as traditional as its caped brethren on The CW. “We’re all more comfortable being underdogs,” executive producer Grainne Godfree tells EW. “It’s like the nobility of [The Big Lebowski’s] The Dude. He’s a slacker, but he’s also a hero. We all like those slacker heroes.” Carlos Serrao for EW The gloriously insane CW super-series is centered on a band of lovable screwups who attempt to defend history from a coterie of threats, including a murderous unicorn, an immortal tyrant, and a dragon demon. The subversive dramedy’s cheeky sense of alienation from the rest of the Arrowverse is at least partially due to the lukewarm critical reception to its relatively conservative and uneven first season, which actually strengthened the cast and writers’ bond. “It’s definitely been us against the world,” Caity Lotz, who plays Sara Lance/White Canary, says with a laugh. “We’re so lucky there is that family element within the cast and writers. They take care of us, which is really nice.” In the wake of that uneven first season — which followed the titular time travelers as they chased after Vandal Savage (Casper Crump) — the producers took a hard look at the show to figure out what worked and what didn’t. “Season 1 was kind of like the out of town part of a Broadway show and you have a chance to make it better,” says executive producer Greg Berlanti. “[The producers] really embraced the thing that’s different about TV than almost any other visual storytelling form: it changes as it goes.” In season 2, Legends swerved into the wackiness of its premise — a bunch of nobody heroes jumping through time — and that impulse has only grown in the ensuing seasons, leading to the show’s magum weird opus: The season 3 finale battle between the demon Mallus and Beebo, a giant blue Tickle-Me-Elmo-like toy that the Legends formed like Voltron. “When we make those kinds of decisions, there’s this notion in the back of our minds of, ‘People are going to hate this stuff,’” says Klemmer. “You start building the armor and being like, ‘If they don’t like, they don’t get it. They’re not sophisticated enough!’ But then when people do like it, it’s so surprising because, again, we, like the Legends, never expect people to accept us.” But accept them people have. The reviews have improved as the show has become more idiosyncratic and zany (see: the Puppets of Tomorrow and the Regency-era England-set Bollywood musical number). In December 2018, halfway through season 4, Legendslanded on several critics’ year-end-lists— and it’s now frequently hailed as one of TV’s best superhero shows. “We don’t play it safe. The show isn’t a traditional, ‘Let’s figure out how to package this and sell it to the masses.’ I feel like it’s really authentic and original,” says Lotz. Adds Berlanti, “When I watch Legends, it reminds me the most of any of our shows, of reading the Marv Wolfman comics when I was a kid. It’s funny. It’s zany. It’s still emotional. It’s not too earnest in the wrong ways.” This praise, though, has actually created a problem for the writers as they head into the fifth season (airing in 2020). “If we become popular, are we going to lose our mojo?” wonders Godfree, explaining that the show’s season 5 premiere is a mockumentary that sees the Legends adjusting to their newfound fame after publicly saving the world in the heartwarming season 4 finale. “They’re famous for the first time and some of them are loving it. You have Sara, the stalwart captain who’s the most suspicious of this [and] is not into it.” “We’re interested in how fame affects people [in season 5],” says Klemmer. “I really like the idea of tempting the Legends, that they’re still susceptible. Even though they sort of get over themselves after [the first episode,] I think you could always be tempted by the promise of getting to be a singular franchise-driving superhero.” Katie Yu/The CW The season’s concern with fame also relates to the encores — a.k.a. reincarnated bad guys of history that season 5 bad big Astra (Olivia Swann) released back into the world of the living at the end of last season — the Legends will face. “It’s like these people who were power hungry and attention-obsessed and, you know, wanted to rule the world. It’s definitely similar to sort of fame culture we have today,” says EP Keto Shimizu, with Godfree adding, “They have that desire for fame and notoriety, as opposed to the Legends who, because this is an ensemble show, understand the simple joy that comes from family.” Of course, the season’s other main concern is the Zari (Tala Ashe) of it all. In the season 4 finale, Zari disappeared from the Legends and was replaced by her brother Behrad Tarazi (Shayan Sobhian) because defeating Neron erased the dystopian future from whence she came, which means her brother never died and she never got the air totem. Thankfully, that wasn’t the last we’ve seen of Ashe’s heroine, and the show will explore her relationship with Behrad in season 5. “That’s the one energy we’ve never had,” Klemmer says of their sibling dynamic. “That seems like it’s going to be fun.” As Klemmer and Godfree focus on season 5, Shimizu is currently working on the forthcoming crossover, “Crisis on Infinite Earths,” with the Arrowverse’s other writers. Says Shimizu, “I’m there making sure that, no matter what happens in the massive craziness in the crossover, we have the characters that are participating in [‘Crisis’] land in a very particular place.” Knowing Legends, that place will probably be wonderfully weird.

But the same can be said about Ava. We've only ever seen her take orders. From Rip & the director that Grodd killed in season 3 and then last season with Hank.

I feel it'll be interesting for both characters. Especially since Sara will be dealing with her magical illness gives her powers story.

The reason why I can't see it being for an episode or two is because from the mag preview it sounds like this will be Sara & Avas storyline for next season. Not a one episode plot line to be quickly moved on from. Ava taking charge wouldn't be worth mentioning if it was a one episode plot. I know Ava isn't well liked here but I think it could be interesting for both Sara & Ava to have Ava take charge of the Waverider. Klemmer said they want to mix things up for them & this sounds like an interesting way to do it IMO. Im glad Caity is finally getting her wish for Sara getting a power, and I'm looking forward to seeing how she & Ava deal with it.

There's no way IMO they'll have Sara replaced as leader for good. So I really think at most it'll be a season long storyline.

I now wonder if the Ava calling the shots thing is because Sara is ill so she gives Ava leadership for now. I'm really thrilled with all of this news for Sara/Ava. Both of their plots for the season sound good for them as characters and a couple IMO. Im so glad about no more TB. The show could have done so much for it but instead we got the mess that was season 4.