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While I think she was guilty, I can understand why several of the prosecutors didn't want to risk taking it to trial. There wasn't much hard evidence. Nothing tying her to a gun or definitively putting her in the state. The two gas cans (more likely for traveling in rural areas rather than major interstates) to avoid stopping for gas yet she stopped at a convivence store and interacted with a clerk made a conflicting narrative, though I guess some of the juries didn't get that part. Again, I believe she's guilty, but the case was weak and definitely had room for jury reasonable doubt. Never the less, she basically hung herself on both the law and order end. First, by lawyering up when the police only came around to cover all the bases. Most innocent exes living out of state would have simply stated that. The fact that she only agreed to meet police in her lawyer's office in contrast to the kids who all gave willing statements and took polygraphs was a big red flag. And then second, by representing herself. Odd since she had a good attorney funded by that innocence group. She definitely had some mental health issues. Oh yeah, she's been rocking that Groucho Marx look for a while. It's distracted me before.

⬆️ This! I felt bad for all the red herrings who were paraded on national TV for simply knowing the victim, living near the victim, or helping find the victim. Unflattering footage of them in moments of grief and shock was unnecessary and a little cruel. Not only that but playing up that angle of a case can contribute to witnesses not coming forward for fear of being targeted as suspects or their privacy being disregarded in future cases. A simple mention that they were ruled out due to voluntary property search and DNA submission would have suited. Meanwhile, the disgusting perpetrator Ryan Riggs and his parents who aided and abetted delaying his arrest keep their lives out of the broadcast. Kudos though to the victim's mother who said she didn't forgive him as opposed to an almost entire church congregation who shielded him and practically absolved him. That's some Kool-Aid drinking bunch right there. How telling that the asst. pastor was still disturbed by the memory of that Wed. night--the night he had to suppress his natural and rightful instinct of disgust and instead embrace a rapist/murder callously responsible for a fellow parishioner who he practically thought of as a daughter. At the very least, this church was likely blind and ignorant to some mental health/personality disorder warning signs. Or worse, it helped breed and foster their very own Jason Voorhees. As for the police/investigators, what a crew of cowboy hat wearing Barney Fifes. Except for maybe the guy who actually believed in science/new DNA technology and cared enough to get some justice. I'm almost surprised there wasn't more dead bodies rotting out there in the Firefly house/property that would make an excellent shooting location for the next horror film. (Somebody alert Rob Zombie). Till then, maybe hick Barney should ride his horse out there more often, but no he admits on camera he didn't even know the road existed! The only saving grace in this whole mess (aside from the half-brother who made the perp id) was the local couple who found the victim's intact and still DNA preserved body before it rotted or was eaten by wildlife because they knew of the site as a popular teenage party spot! (So not really an unknown, hard-to-find deserted place after all.) Just imagine all the underage drinking, drug crimes, and possibly sexual assaults happening on Saturday night out there that the police are dense and dumb about. Oh but the church will be sure to bless them on Sunday morning.

Same! Andrea's questions are so ridiculous. The grandmother: Libby played in all kinds of sports. Andrea: So you drove her around a lot? What in the world does that have to do with them being murdered by a creepy man on a bridge? Redundant statements phrased as questions are Andrea's signature and they are a total waste of time. I don't think they ever are. It's just an illusion of safety. The residents like to think "that kind of thing will never happen here." But sometimes, that's why it does.

Yep, I had the same thought--a lot of creepy for a low populated town where folks thought they didn't need to lock their doors. 🙄

From what I'm gathering online after looking it up, it sounds like there were drug/addiction issues. Also, the father was living w/the grandparents too (his parents) and was actually the one supposed to pick up the girls that afternoon (as testified at the trial). I thought Dateline made it sound like the sister was going to pick them back up. Also, the mom remarried and moved to another state. Has kids to second marriage.

I'm not sure they ever really gave it but based off things I've read and the state of the bodies as mentioned on Dateline with Libby not wearing clothes (sone online reports say Abby had Libby's clothes on), it sounds like sexual assault was the motive. I did not get the impression (lack of DNA) that he went through with it and none of the charges were rape related. Dateline indicated the van driving past spooked him. Some online speculation suggested he wasn't physically able to complete the deed as they were younger/less developed than he realized. All I caught was they divorced, and the girls went to live with the grandparents. Made me wonder if the parents no longer lived in that area.

Yes, I wouldn't disagree he could certainly be fleshed out more. I'd definitely like to see him interact with all the M&A team as well as get a better grip on his family. I do think they spent a little too long on the old Gabbi and Lacey flashbacks this season. We didn't need as many as they included to get their dynamic. Would have rather had a few of him and Christian from years past. I hope his jail stint is short-lived because while the Clarice/Hannibal exchange last night was fun, there's only so much to do with him behind bars. Since we've already had him on the run, a savvy bail release could provide much more material.

Same here. Sir is too much a part of the foundation of the show, and MPG does a great job with him. I'm not sure I'd be as compelled to watch without him. I want to see him return to help solving cases. Which on that note, did anyone else get Silence of the Lambs vibes in that scene between him and Gabbi in jail when he tries to bargain for the book? I sensed they were paying homage to it.

That was such an....well "irrational" way to take pills. She tossed them back like candy as if it didn't matter how many she got. Pretty sure her cardiologist would cringe at that, to say the least. She was in Jaws 3. She played the marine biologist dating Brody's oldest son.

100% on both of these⬆️ Count me in on being utterly disgusted that their drug use lifestyle was brushed off and even normalized because they were rich tech guys who worked hard. 🙄 I don't care how many hours in a week you put in, if you spend your weekend drug binging, you're still a loser who makes poor life choices.

I definitely want another season.

I believe they said they deliberated 3 days and had asked for additional information/clarification on things so sounded like they made a good effort/didn't blow it off. This! They were a little too "helpful" to the police, and we've certainly seen that on Dateline before. And I couldn't believe they were even interviewed together. That's like police work 101 to separate your witnesses and possible suspects to make sure their stories jive. You definitely don't let them collaborate on telling the version of events. Had to wonder if there wasn't some good old boys club preferential treatment going on there.

I can buy that Melody shot her husband, but no way do I buy that she moved the body. Even using that tractor across the property to the burn pile, she still would have had to get him out of the house. She had help for sure, and I wasn't buying those crocodile tears from her spoiled sons. With her out of the way, they inherit. Makes for motive for me. Also, I hate when judges send the jury who can't reach a verdict back to try again. That never feels like an honest verdict to me. It's more someone(s) giving in than agreeing. People want to go home to their families and lives, not to mention stronger personalities may sway more passive ones.

I enjoy it too! The kids were hot messes, the dad was a dick, and the mom should have never let Savanah in the door, but the mystery keep me engaged and guessing, and the message/theme of how mom/motherhood is often taken for granted in the family/society as well as held to unequal standards and judged more harshly was nice to see explored. And thus, I too adored the ending! I was glad Joy was alive and found it humorous that she really didn't know all that happened. After her kids basically ghosted her for months and her husband took off when he felt like it for years, I didn't blame her for taking her own break. I sort of assumed she lost track of time too. It only bothered me that she trusted Savannah so much. I was actually hoping she'd get her HEA with Savannah's neighbor man. It seemed like she should have "escaped" to his house when she discovered Savannah's bag.

Roman (WN) and Marlena's original wedding (and the lead up to) was the first episodes I ever saw. I remember Stefano lying in wait/some kind of a trap when Roman went to the tux shop. I guess you could say that's how I got hooked on the show. 😃 You are correct that Roman/John (Drake) was with Marlena less than a year roughly and most of that time Diedre was sparsely in it as she was shooting Our House. Drake probably interacted more with Shane, Hope, Steve, Kayla and the Bradys than her. In that '86-87 year Marlena was in a coma, kidnapped/held hostage by the ISA, and kidnapped by Orpheus/believed dead through much of that time. Agree, WN's Roman would have made a good Brady patriarch. I still think of JT's Roman as Chris Kostichek. 😆

Both Romans gone in the same year! Wayne Northrop has passed. 😢 https://www.soapoperadigest.com/content/days-of-our-lives-alum-wayne-northrop-ex-roman-passes-away-at-77/

Just found this on Netflix. Good series. Kept me interested. Didn't know it wasn't a single season so anxious now for the next. Anyone hear any release dates? The blood came from Maddy being thrown back against the pipes/ductwork/whatever. She hit her head, so her body was injured, but she didn't die. Janet just took over the body likely susceptible to it because Maddy said after the fight/conversation with her mom that her soul was killed. That's likely what allowed her to hear the ghosts down there. Her body was alive but her soul was dead. Janet is mentioned in the earlier episodes when Maddy first joins the ghost group in the gym, and they are talking about another ghost (Janet) who has just recently passed over. The teacher implies it's from writing her obituary when he pushes that assignment. I too thought it was weird that Mr. Martin could trap the other ghosts in a room. Seems like it defies the metaphysics of their ghost world.

"Deadly Dance" After watching and thinking this one over, I'm kind of the mind that Doug was not an innocent victim in all this. I'm not sure Ashley's life was in imminent danger in the moment she shot him, but I think she feared him and wanted him out of her and her daughter's life. Like quite possibly they got into an argument while packing/loading up, he got nasty, and things turned heated, which caused her to grab the gun and react. I thought the daughter was a piece of work too. She definitely came off immature to say the least. When she was on the stand testifying and complaining about having a stepmom tell her what to do after her mom was gone only 9 months, I thought that was hardly Ashley's fault but her father's for remarrying before his daughter had sufficient time to grieve and accept a new women in his life on top of marrying someone he only knew for 13 freaking days. Speaking of the 13-day courtship, I couldn't help but think that it was obvious they rushed into this before true colors showed. I wonder what Ashley's mother and other family members thought of Doug. It definitely stuck out at me that aside from his daughter, it was other men defending Doug. Definitely would have liked to hear from his dead wife's family. Agree, I thought that judge came off particularly harsh and maybe quick to dismiss domestic abuse. I had to wonder though; they said the judge specifically gave him the daughter's medical rights. Perhaps Ashley was withholding childhood vaccines from the baby and the judge was disgusted with her over that. I got those vibes with this one too. Also, I know exhuming a grave is costly, but after Doug was dead and Ashley was on trial, seems like it would have been worth it to look further into the first wife's death just to be sure.

As soon as the prosecution presented to the jury that David faked his injury as part of a premeditated plan and killed her with his feet instead of the barbell, I knew the case was toast. I think they might have had better luck to stick with a crime of passion in the heat of the moment with the barbell. I know I personally couldn't come up with a logical reason for burning your exercise equipment and hiding it in the backyard. For the most part, there's enough evidence there to make me believe David did it. The dude had some issues. Also stalking your ex-wife while you're on bail for murdering your first isn't exactly a good (read sane) look. Most normal people would be more concerned and preoccupied with proving their innocence. That all being said, obnoxious old rich white guy is up to something/is hiding something. Not sure what exactly, but I don't think he's as uninvolved in all this as he claims. Interesting that the police have both of her cell phones; they should know if there was any indication of involvement between Karen and his son-in-law. Were the teenage sons not home the night of the murder? Since they were older, their recollections would have been interesting to hear.

Agree, it was edited/spliced odd. My daughter was watching with me and thought a lot of it was taken from the podcast they referenced. That blurred restaurant background was giving me a headache looking at my TV screen. I also noticed the segments were short and there seemed to be a ton of commercials. And holy repetitive with the constant reciting of the clothes inventory. Stiletto heels, nylon stockings, short black mini-skirt, men's white dress shirt, and he'd provide the tie. Let's all say it together again! 🙄 Interesting case/story though. Kudos to the women who helped put him behind bars and are still working to keep him there. Shame on that first jury on his earlier arrest who believed his psycho ass over the hotel room victim.

100% And the police kept asking her how often she slept with her brother! Like he only came over because the parent's fighting woke him up, but she'd been in bed with daddy the whole time before that (well except for when he was murdering their mom) and other nights as well from the sound of it I sure hope the police followed up more about how often she shared a bed with her father and we just didn't get that audio.

I got the impression that Suzann liked attention. The topless photo, the Survivor audition, stunt girl cheerleader in high school. I have a feeling her husband was way more put out seeing that topless photo on the internet than Suzann ever was taking and posting it. 5/10 "Sound and Furry" Oh I hope not! Keith is my fav. I'll take the woman last night over Andrea. No one grates my nerves like she does. My only real critique about last night's is that it was billed like it was going to be something more than the typical husband murders wife scenario. At one point she even narrated that the club/DJ scene was "about to give up its secrets." But that was a red herring. This guy would have murdered his wife no matter what job he had and probably his co-worker too if it he got him a promotion. While the story was informative--I didn't realize Atlanta's strip club scene was so important to the music industry; but then I'm a rock girl at heart and have never followed rap/dance music.

Yeah, I wondered if maybe she'd been drinking or took her own drowsy medicine before bed that made her loopy. I too wanted more background on that. I didn't understand why she inconvenienced the daughter by taking her room. I could never take over my daughter's bedroom with a pot to puke in (gross) at that! Talk about invading someone else's space and comfort zone. They said something about it being dark, but it clearly didn't have closed black-out curtains. And they noted she was taking work calls and the daughter was charging her tablet for her. That didn't exactly line up with her feeling so awful. Plus she was still wearing a scarf and shoes. Not exactly indicative of laying down to ease a migraine. It was a 4-bedroom house and most likely the master had an attached bath. So why in the world did she make the daughter sleep with her dad, yet we only got police audio questioning how often the girl slept with her brother.

Re: 5/3's "If Walls Could Talk" I kept hoping we'd get an interview with her first husband. Would love to hear his impression of this. What a strange bunch. Probably a strange marriage too. Had to wonder if Susanne had developed some kind of hero worship for Scot when he was treating her. Creepy though to leave the husband you're trying to get pregnant to for the fertility doctor who you're a patient. (Anyone else just watched this season of AHS: Delicate? I had this image of Anna leaving Dex for Dr. Hill in my head! LOL). Rather unethical on Scott's part as well. I agree the 2nd degree was probably the right verdict. I also think she was still alive when they "found her," which is why he wanted the pulse ox to know just how much breath was still left in her after strangling her. Also struck me as off that a doctor would need to rely on the 911 dispatcher for CPR instructions. Odd too that he didn't clean up the blood. I also think he did some mental manipulation with the kids. I suspect they probably originally knew more or could have recollected more important details, but he played with their heads and kept them from talking about their mother. Probably didn't get them any therapy either. Too bad Suzanne's family was in the dark about the investigation. This. I noticed the foreign country one and thought it was stupid. Otherwise, I try to just block them out. Talk about going completely off topic. That old phrase, What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? sure comes to mind.

My point wasn't that he wasn't free to move around the country (though when your wife disappears the police generally expect you to be reachable/keep current contact on file for further questions/follow up), it was that by moving around the country, leaving missing (and presumed dead which his first wife was declared) women in different states, and continuing a pattern that suggested there could be future (as well as more past) victims, it became a case that the FBI would assist in/be involved in as a means of pooling resources to gather evidence and build the case that would otherwise be difficult for multiple local counties with much smaller budgets and lesser resources available. You previously stated that "The FBI likely didn't have investigative authority to pursue these cases formally. The FBI can't just investigate whatever they want. There are guidelines about what falls into the federal jurisdiction and these murders likely didn't." And I outlined why it would fit an FBI case to assist on. Which it was, the boss just didn't prioritize it. The agent said so. So I maintain my stance of kudos to the agent who took this seriously, cared about justice for the victims, was concerned about preventing future ones, and put in all that extra time. He helped put a dangerous psycho behind bars, which might not have ever happened if the agent's boss had anything to do with it. Hopefully the Dateline episode helps gives credit where it's due and brings about a closer look/internal investigation into why this almost fell between the cracks if it hadn't been for that diligent agent. Smith was a danger to society and women's lives were at risk. Playing cards when there's no work to do/no customers in what I assume is a non-law enforcement workplace is hardly the same analogy.