[S13.E07: Week 7: Switzerland]

1 minute ago, dirtypop90 said:

I don't think she chose eric for that reason. If she didn't like him, and just felt she needed a MOC in her top 4, she would've kept Will or Anthony or Josiah around because those guys appeal more to this franchise's audience IMO. The fact that she only kept one MOC in her top 6 and it was Eric said to me that she was choosing the guys she actually liked. I do not believe she liked Matt or Adam more than Eric. Her crew from nick's season said she liked eric from the beginning. 

After their one on one date, I saw what she sees in him. I think he's a solid pick. 

[S13.E07: Week 7: Switzerland]

I can't believe this crop of guys was the best of the bunch. I can't see her married to any of these men. 

Poor Dean. I can just imagine his sense of dread as he imagined his dad on national TV. I think the tooth fairy and dinosaurs were his last ditch effort to get sent home.

Bryan gets less and less attractive to me as the weeks go by. And that story he shared sent up major red flags for me. 

Peter, I'm meh on him. I think he likes Rachel but he's reserved and may not be ready. I liked his honesty.

Eric is nice but too young and inexperienced.

Grammar snobbery is the worst.

[S13.E06: Week 6: Denmark]

16 minutes ago, Kira53 said:

Very interesting discussion.  In retrospect there have been problems with almost every black bachelor this season.  DeMario was recruited and came on to the show to become a reality star.   Production busted him in a very early episode to make him available for bachelor in paradise this season. Josiah was here to win not to win Rachel but just to win. He wanted to show how smart he was.  He boasted a lot but it was all about himself and I don't see him showing much interest in Rachel on a personal level. Kenny was looking for a mother for his daughter. He was probably also unsuitable given his profession and his hothead qualities.  I wonder how many of the Black bachelors were recruited? And not men who came because they were attracted to Rachel. Her childhood friend?  He was very attracted to Rachel but that turned her off. He was also too respectful in terms of mauling her. Will and Anthony probably were recruited and came to see what it was all about.  Anthony showed nothing on his one-to-one and Will actually almost pulled away. They may have talked a good game but they weren't attracted to her at all. Iggy was some kind of minority I think, but didn't really show sexual interest in Rachel he just wanted to tattle and in hopes that he might win. Win what, I'm not sure.  Diggy wanted  to show off his wardrobe and his shoe – sneaker collection. Fun but he wasn't there for Rachel.  Right now I can't remember anybody else that was black.

Many of the white guys tried to make Rachel feel that they came for her. And in fact more of them might have but either way they made her feel wanted truly.  Bryan  told her immediately how attractive he was to her and then showed her by his passionate kisses even if he's just a player he made her seem like the only woman he could desire. Peter shared with her  that he had discussed how desirable she was with his father during the bachelor season she participated in. That certainly made Rachel feel that he was there for her. The way Dean handled the fallout from the line the producers gave him was endearing and they laughed when I think Rachel felt that he was interested personally and her. 

I think the real problem was that most of the Black bachelors could've gotten and dated a Rachel type without going on to the bachelorette.   I've been thinking seriously about this and to be honest, I believe that if Rachel was a tall slim biracial type, video vixen type with light eyes, the black guys with all the degrees and the accomplishments would've been beating down the doors of the bachelorette and try and win her.   Sad but I think it's true. Please don't hate me.

This is anecdotal, but in my experience a lot of the Black women that I see married to white men are real cute brownskin girls. Rachel is just that type a girl plus she has everything going for her including a banging body.It seems like a lot of times when white men prefer black women they want something that's different and contrasting to their skin tone. Of course, many times people just meet people and fall in love with people despite and not because of their race or their culture.  But people do have their types. And sometimes the AfricanAmerican culture says a particular type is more valuable. Please don't hate me.

Btw, I'm Black if it matters.

I actually think you touched on the differences in courtship that I noticed but couldn't put my finger on. Dare I say it...educated, gainfully employed black men who are halfway attractive are often prized in our community, and likely don't have to do much to woo or court the black women they come into contact with. They came here, saw Rachel, and imo, expected her to swoon or at the very least, they expected to have an edge over the white guys. When that didn't happen, maybe it threw them off their game. Black women in the dating market are very race loyal, so imagine how surprising it must have been for Rachel to be just as interested in the white guys. Eric seems to be the only black contestant who stepped up and made his interest attraction known to her both verbally and physically. The rest of them, not so much. 

To your other point about Rachel being the type a lot of white guys who date IR go for, I could not agree more. 

[S13.E06: Week 6: Denmark]

We don't have a social issues thread so I'll ask here.

This is my first season since Trista so I don't know, but has there ever been a b or b-ette where there was a question of whether or not the contestants have ever dated/are attracted to people of their own race? The more I think about this, the more irritated I get. Watching some of the guys sitting around wondering if Will is even attracted to black women was...weird. I mean, is it just me? And that's not a reflection on the guys who were wondering. It's more so a musing on the way some black men make their disdain for bw so public that everyone knows and accepts it as a given, or as a logical thing. I don't see that with other races but I could be wrong.

[S13.E06: Week 6: Denmark]

I was talking to my girlfriends (all of us are bw who are married to bm and have only ever dated bm) and we all agreed that the pickings were slim regardless of race. But some of us also noticed a difference in the way many of the white guys (and eric) vs the black guys court/show interest in her. I can't put my finger on it exactly but if I were in her same position, I would have made the same cuts (except for Alex). 

[S13.E06: Week 6: Denmark]

5 minutes ago, lonestar said:

I liked Anthony. Too bad Rachel didn't. Eric being the last black man standing is surprising since she says she's looking for a husband. He seems like the least likely marriage material at this point in time. He seems so young. I can't decide if Josiah was really into Rachel as he claimed, or just wanted "to win."

Oh yes, I definitely think Josiah just wanted to win. His rant on the way out was less "I was really falling for her" and more "I can't believe this chick didn't fall for me. I'm appalled!" He's probably used to being chased, or at least not having to work for it. This whole process was probably torture for him lol. 

[S13.E06: Week 6: Denmark]

6 minutes ago, lonestar said:

I'm not a black woman, so this is just my guess based on conversations with a few black women. It is offensive/insulting for black men to date only white women. especially successful black men. Why did Will do the show if he preferred white woman. He should have waited, unless they don't know when they agree to to the show.  

Also, when they go to other countries and places, are they required to sit in a hotel room the entire time when not on a date? It seems like a total waste. Why fly the group to Europe if they can't really tour the area?

No, it's not offensive for them to exclusively date outside of their race. It's offensive that most of them can't seem to do it without badmouthing black women. You're probably not privy to the way those types talk but it's bad. Really bad. And I have a feeling Will is one of those. So disappointing...

[S13.E06: Week 6: Denmark]

I really enjoyed tonight.

Lee getting sent home was amazing, but I really thought Kenny was going to talk himself out of his spot when he went back. Bad move, but glad he got to leave on good terms. I ended up really liking him and I hope he finds love.

I found myself smiling from ear to ear during the Eric date. He isn't one of my favorites but I see why Rachel likes him, and their date is the only one I've fully enjoyed. Because I'm petty, I choose to believe Eric set Will up by telling him to share his dating history with Rachel lol.

Speaking of...yeah. It was like seeing a light turning from green to yellow to red. She was done, and I don't blame her. In my experience, the Wills of the world (and I'm speaking of a very specific type of black guy who exclusively dates interracially) tend to have very negative views of all black women and are not viable partners. Rachel knew it too.

I was soooo sad to see Alex go home. He was the hottest guy left, imo. I trust that there was more to it that we didnt see but I find it really hard to believe Matt and Adam are serious contenders.

The tag scene rocked, as usual. Hot Alex and adorable Dean were so funny.

[S13.E04: Week 4: Hilton Head Island]

Aw, it must be really hard to watch racial microaggressions on tv. And then to come to your favorite board and have to read about race too. (((hugs))) I hope Lee goes next week so that racism will be over forever.

[S13.E04: Week 4: Hilton Head Island]

4 minutes ago, wings707 said:

I don't think he knew it was offensive.  That was not his intent, surely.  Sometimes white people trip on some things we just don't know.  Granted it is an obvious gaff to most of us.  This is how education happens.   He is not going to ever say that again when SM has their say.    He couldn't spell coitus either.   How sheltered do you have to be not to know the correct spelling?!  

White people don't know that most black people don't live in the hood? 

[S13.E04: Week 4: Hilton Head Island]

1 hour ago, nutty1 said:

It seems some people are bothered by Peter's "from the hood" line in his rap. I am curious if you are just as bothered by Dean's "once you go black" line? I am not being argumentative, I am truly curious.

Neither bothered me, but maybe I am just more lighthearted and took them both as being in good fun.

They're totally different for me. "Once you go black..." is an old joke about how dating a black person is great. "She's from the hood" is...I don't know what he meant but it's extremely loaded. 

[S13.E04: Week 4: Hilton Head Island]

5 minutes ago, truthaboutluv said:

I think you mean Lee. Dean was the one actually calling Lee out on his racist crap in his ITM. 

 

Yeah Dean said it. 

Ah, thank you. I changed it. Dean is my boyfriend in my head, how could I make such a mistake. :D

[S13.E04: Week 4: Hilton Head Island]

Ugh. Hilton Head is the most racist place I've ever visited.

Dean is so freaking cute I can't stand it. He's too young but I definitely see why she'd be willing to give that a go. And their date was cute.

Kenny is growing on me and I don't know why.

Lee is everything I hate about passive aggressive covert racists. I can't wait for him to go and I have to believe him getting a rose was producer driven.

[S05.E09: Trust]

D&C are exhausting to watch. I wanted to give him a hug when she was watching him fiddle with the drill and he was undoubtedly feeling more and more pressure to be a man for her. Put these two out of their misery, show.

A lot has been made about Cody's vocal fry but Ashley does it too and it grates. I know I'm in the minority on this but she and Anthony seem equally matched, looks wise. I know blonde hair and blue eyes mean a lot in some communities (for lack of a better description) so perhaps that's part of the reason some think she's way hotter than he is. Maybe? Beyond that, they're cute together but kinda zzzzz.

N&S are almost enjoyable to watch lately. They seem to have fun and they're definitely into each other. Nate actually made me giggle with his yoga commentary. I'm still keeping one eye on him though. Something about him rings false but we'll see.

[King Of Queens - General Discussion]

On 5/24/2017 at 10:18 AM, red12 said:

So, just seeing the fladhback episode where Doug lied about having a job in order to sleep with Carrie when they were dating. So, basically he's a slut shaming creep and the conversation can be had as to whether he's a rapist since he lied about having a job in order to convince her he was serious about the relationship.  The scenes of him literally calling her a slut and pressuring her for sex since he and his friends labeled her as previously promiscuous were not funny. I guess the writers reverse engineered the reason a "hot" Carrie would settle for Doug is she was a reformed slut with family issues (in her characters words, "no mom and a dad whose crazy") who was willing to settle for a nice fat guy with very little ambition (he lucked into the delivery job while lying to Carrie).

That episode always bothered me too. I hated how entitled he was...so because Carrie slept with the Derobertis guys, she can't say no to sex with you? Gross. 

[S13.E02: Week 2: Celebrity Guests]

I'm loving this show. The last time I watched anything Bachelor/Ette related was Trista and Ryan's wedding.

I'm in love with Copper! And I find Rachel gorgeous and charming. I'm a straight woman but her in those leggings? Yowza.

I liked the Peter date and I agree with those who thought he was reserved. Hopefully that changes soon because she's obviously into him.

[S09.E240: Reunion Part 4]

2 hours ago, Watermelon said:

I STILL LIKE PORSHA!  

 

And yes, I know exactly who you're referring to, and I know it aint me lol.

 

But for real, I don't mind stupid people, so I was into her earlier season behavior of knowing they were trying to engage her and working around it.  I hate that she decided to go so hard on Kandi, but I give her major leeway, because I hate Kandi. It's not rational, I can't help it, and I want her, her awful mother, and rude ass aunts to go away lol.

I still like her too, still don't like Kandi, and still here cuz I gives not one damn what some message board strangers think. 

And I don't know who y'all talking about but I'm nosy so point em out...

[S03.E05: Chicanery]

24 minutes ago, Ottis said:

It was well done, but pedestrian. Turned out to be another "you can't handle the truth" moment, subsidized by a simple set up with the battery. I was hoping for something more clever and surprising, that would have shown Jimmy was actually Chuck's equal... or better... at law. Oh well. 

I thought the same. Jimmy was...less than impressive. I don't know what I was expecting but I definitely expected more than just making Chuck have an outburst on the stand. I almost didn't even buy it. It's a credit to the actor who plays Chuck that I didn't roll my eyes.

Still a good episode though. I can see Howard faltering so I think it's only a matter of time before he turns on Chuck.

[S09.E240: Reunion Part 4]

10 minutes ago, Juliegirlj said:

Something about this seems off to me. Maybe I am being obtuse, but, Porsha was laying it on so thick, crying with no tears, and at one point she inserted "of course" into a sentence, and it seemed so rehearsed. 

Phaedra is a cold, nasty woman, but her lack of emotion was bizarre. Not even a hint of embarrassment. She and Kandi were very good, real friends at one point,and in a previous confrontation between them awhile back they were both crying, so for Phaedra to be so devoid of any kind of emotion does not ring true to me. 

Could this entire conflict be producer driven ? The whole thing is bizarre to me. 

It crossed my mind. For someone as ditzy as Porsha (I like her, but facts are facts), she was remarkably prepared and crystal clear on what was said, when it was said, and how it was said, and she was ready with receipts if Phaedra didn't come clean. I did see tears but initially she was definitely acting. And for Phaedra to be that calm...I've never seen a poker face like that.

I guess it makes sense if you account for Phaedra's shock that Porsha exposed and outsmarted her, especially since she gave no clues that she was anything but loyal up until that point. 

[S09.E240: Reunion Part 4]

I'll never be team Kandi in general because I think she was a shitty friend and I hate all her employees and family BUT this was very satisfying. The feeling I got when Porsha threw Phaedra under the bus at the last second last week and then this episode...it was worth the hype. First time I can say that about a reunion.

[All Episodes Talk: 48 Hours]

It seemed to me that Garcia's mom believed he did it and just didn't want to say it aloud. When the interviewer asked her if she thought he was guilty, I was surprised when she paused and said "I don't know...if he did, he's not the son I knew." Usually loved ones are more adamant and don't hesitate (like the brother). I thought that was interesting, and it made me feel even more sorry for her.

[S09.E240: Reunion Part 4]

I wonder if Kandi ever regrets bringing up the rumor on camera. Her calling the other women and having them over to gossip about it was what set it all in motion. If not for that, would we even know about it?

Phaedra is cold, damn. 

[S05.E04: Honeymoons Part 1]

Nate seemed completely turned off when Sheila started talking about being low key. I could see him deflating lol. As an introvert married to an ambivert, I am trying to see it from his side but I just don't get people who are on 10 all the time. Like go over there with all that lol. I foresee problems for them because he doesn't seem empathetic and she doesn't seem flexible.

My husband calls me high maintenance. He now has Ashley to thank for me trying to change because she annoyed the crap out of me. I just kept thinking "is that me? Good lord, I must suck to be around." Also, her weave was bothering me. They seem to vibe well though.

Danielle and Cody are not giving me chemistry yet. 

[S01.E04: Nolite Te Bastardes Carborundorum]

36 minutes ago, ridethemaverick said:

This is fascinating to me. I don't think the decision to include black characters was pc at all. I think it makes perfect sense. There's still racism in the 2017 version of Gilead. They probably sent most poc to colonies but were "progressive" enough to allow a few of them positions in the new regime. Of course only white men can be commanders and those commanders can have black wives or handmaids if they want but we will never see the reverse and that's all by design.

I don't know if it's on purpose or not but I noticed how there was no interaction between Moira and any of the black men she passed during the escape. Historically we tended to stick together in times of trouble but in Gilead, the men are beholden to the patriarchy above anything else, even race. 

 

Quoting myself because I just saw a good screenshot of that wall and there were black commanders with white wives. So it looks like they're completely ignoring race and I'm giving them way too much credit. 

[S01.E04: Nolite Te Bastardes Carborundorum]

4 hours ago, A Boston Gal said:

Anyone notice the pictures of the commanders and wives with their new babies that were hanging on the doctor's waiting room wall? There had been discussion here of how African Americans were banished in the book, but part of the system in this adaptation, and how racism obviously would still be an issue in this New World Order.  However there were interracial commander couples pictured (only African American wives, though) and I believe an African American baby was shown in a photo. 

I think the way to square this would be to realize that even oppressive regimes can make "exceptions" for a select few people who are minorities; those whom The Powers that Be view as acceptable, non-threatening or having earned their approval. For example, see "Carson, Dr. Ben."

This is fascinating to me. I don't think the decision to include black characters was pc at all. I think it makes perfect sense. There's still racism in the 2017 version of Gilead. They probably sent most poc to colonies but were "progressive" enough to allow a few of them positions in the new regime. Of course only white men can be commanders and those commanders can have black wives or handmaids if they want but we will never see the reverse and that's all by design.

I don't know if it's on purpose or not but I noticed how there was no interaction between Moira and any of the black men she passed during the escape. Historically we tended to stick together in times of trouble but in Gilead, the men are beholden to the patriarchy above anything else, even race.