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Thanks for clarifying Tuan working for Vietnamese intel. That's what I assumed, but then his holier-than-thou-comrade speech about reporting E&P's bourgie attitudes puzzled me and made me wonder if he could be working directly for Russian intel.

I thought he looked like Jim Jones.

This may have beend discussed earlier, but I was kind of surprised when two different friends of mine who watch this said they think Paige is going to be killed off. It had not occurred to me at all (maybe a failure of imagination on my part), but I'm curious about the reaction to the idea from anyone who posts here.

I don't know if this has been asked and answered, but I'm wondering if Pastor Groovyhair (whose hair looked pretty ratty in this ep) could be charged with anything for NOT turning P&E into the authorities afer finding out who they really are.

I think it was Lifespring or Wellspring or some other non-word word. At least in L.A. it was, because one of my friends tried to get me to go. And failed.

I'd be fine with it. I actually laughed when the screen went black at the end of The Sopranos leaving us to wonder if Tony was going to be killed, but I know a lot of people were really pissed off at the unresolved ending. Miss Bluxom, if you aren't already a professional fiction writer, you should be - your posts are so freaking entertaining! And I really love your idea from way above that it might be Oleg's mother who is getting revenge on the state.

Thank you for my first laugh of the day!

I agree! Jeeze, Paige, cut and bleach your hair, get a tattoo of Jesus on the cross, and hit the road with a metal band, just do SOMETHING a teenager would do. After all this time I still can't figure out if the actress isn't up to the part or the part is so boringly written that even a good actress couldn't do much with it.

In total fantasy land, I'd love to see: Mischa, Oleg and Martha somehow find one another in Russia - I have no idea where that could go, but it could certainly put some fire under three currently very depressing and draggy subplots. Paige suddenly turns into a junior Elizabeth complete with E's repertoire of disguises, traps, tricks and ability to change facial expressions. Henry proves to be such a math genius (BTW, I find it completely ridiculous that a kid could get to high school in that privileged setting without having had his exceptional abilities noticed MUCH earlier) that he is offered an early full-ride scholarship to college paid for by some right-wing think tank that wants to guide his future. Let's give P&E something else to worry about.

Funny image and a great idea! And it would give P&E a reason to send him off to some wilderness private school for troubled youth - and then we'd never have to have an explanation for his slide into on-screen invisibility.

After much as I love his character, after Astrid died I was hoping Quinn would too. Poor guy is already carrying enough physical and emotional trauma to sink an aircraft carrier, so the plot answer is . . . pile on more? As his head popped predictably, ridiculously up out of the water I wondered if he might be moving to The Walking Dead, because honestly folks, Quinn has got to be one of the undead by now.

There was a lot to like about this episode, but I just don't know if I can watch Quinn being knocked around (storywise) any more. Damn, give the guy a break! Not too crazy about the "Carrie to the rescue" set-up with the phone, either, it seems like a tired plot device - but I did like Carrie's new, less impulsive behavior, she's actually likeable when it comes to her daughter. Can someone tell me if Sol knows what Dar is doing, or if he even suspects what a nefarious creep he is? And how does one get away with kidnapping the prez-elect and keeping her incommunicado? And do we know or just suspect that the higher-up who let Carrie be tipped off is Dar? LOVED Quinn shoving that bitch reporter down the stairs and shooting at the rock-thrower - such unfiltered and understandable reactions. Oh hell, I guess I just love Quinn!

I worked in the film industry for 30 years before retiring, and you couldn't be more wrong. There are hundreds of thousands of under the line jobs that make up the nuts and bolts of production, with or without screen credit and fame. I'm definitely what you would lump into the "little guy" category, although I got paid very well and now have a lifetime pension and medical coverage. Yes, it's an industry town, but the industry is nothing like you imagine it to be. In those 30 years I never met ONE person who thought CO$ was anything more than a money-grabbing cult filled with needy weirdos and a few famous people. Big F Deal. Work here for awhile before you make pronouncements about a business you clearly know nothing about.

As far as I understand it (which isn't in-depth at all), if you're going by neurolinguistic programming theory, there is no set-in-stone way to tell if someone is lying. Side-eyeing can indicate lying, but the direction indicating it also depends on whether the person doing the lying is right or left handed. I think your eyes go in the opposite direction of your dominant hand, but there's probably someone here who knows a lot more about it.

Anybody ever see Elmer Gantry?

LOL - Love it!!!!!

All of that, and they need to pay fucking taxes, just like the rest of us do. Aside from their nauseating treatment of brainwashed cult members, their bullshit tax-exempt status is what infuriates me most.

Wow, a reference to the Velvet Underground! Thanks!

I wonder if the show is getting any blowback for choosing li'l miss kindergarten as the winner. Swatch could have put together a better collection.

Along with her hair which looked like it was so dirty that it was separating, and with tucking her chin into her shoulder and doing the side-eye thing - I think it's supposed to be charming and flirty, but she just looked like a parakeet. I was watching with a friend who hadn't seen this season and she was willing to cut Erin a little slack because she thought she was about 22. When she found out Erin is 29, she said "WTF is wrong with her?"

Predictably godawful. What ever happened to couture? I certainly liked Roberi's the most, and he and Rik at least can sew garments well, but over all, this entire finale looked like a highschool Home Ec class fashion show. I know a lot of fashion conscious 20-somethings and not one of them would ever wear anything that CraftyErinGlitterGiggles glued together. I'm with the poster above who said that even after all these years of watching, not watching this craptastic show any more won't be any harder than not watching Top Chef.

That's what I've been doing. I'm still kind of curious about where this hot mess is going, but it's just too irritating to watch anymore.

I've stopped watching but keep coming back here to read what people are saying - I think it's like scratching an itch even though you already irritated the area! Anyway, the 3 eps I watched before giving up have made me think Treem is full of b.s. Yes, I know she's been saying since the beginning that she envisioned this as a 3-year series, but I cannot believe that anyone with the talent to come up with that really compelling first season could have thought this poiintless drek up before the series even started. The story has devolved into the kind of murky, soap operatic idiocy that the show so carefully avoided in season 1. I just watched an old Sally Field movie called Soapdish, which is a hysterically funny send-up of soaps, and as the characters agonized over doing an impromptu but lifesaving brain transplant in a restaurant I kept thinking, is this where The Affair is headed?

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